wobbly engine! help please. *Update*

1. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

   #1 4th March 2014, 17:23

   Hey guys
   
   Ok, my engine is very jerky, by this i meen when accelerating then letting off you can feel the whole car jerk, its also affecting the gear selector rods, causing the gear stick to jerk and vibrate quite badly, the vibration is in 2nd and 4th
   
   but when under the bonnet rocking the engine their doesnt appear to be a huge amount of movement :/
   
   Now ive changed the lower engine/gearbox mount but its no better
   
   any suggestions guys?
   
   Do i need to change a different mount or something?
   
   thanks, karl.
2. Hazmanscoop Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Witney Posts: 2481 Black VTS

   #2 4th March 2014, 17:33

   I had a similar problem.
   
   Im not meaning to worry you or anything like that as it might not be the same...
   
   Mine was getting really jumpy, as in throw you around the car, then one day the whole engine fell out doing 60 on the motorway.... Apparently the gearbox mounting bolts or something had snapped due to manufacture error or something? so i was told anyway...
3. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #3 4th March 2014, 17:42

   To the op check the other 2 mounts & that you`ve done the gearbox mount bolts properly.Or that the bolts haven`t sheared,
4. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

   #4 4th March 2014, 17:45

   Have you tried turning it on and off?
5. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

   #5 4th March 2014, 18:09

   Shut up John haha
   
   all bolts are tight, was like this before hand hence why i changed it but its made no difference and trust me the bolts were tight when i removed the old one haha
   
   Its just so annoying, especialy when giving it some etc

   1 user thanked this post: Pricklep
6. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

   #6 4th March 2014, 18:13

   Gearbox mount, easy and cheap to swap half hours job. Check the other engine mount too,bolt can snap in the middle of that too
   
   
   Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
7. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

   #7 4th March 2014, 18:14

   Andy says check the bolt under the ecu side mount. What bolts the buffer thing to the mount
8. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

   #8 4th March 2014, 18:16

   I'm sure there's a bolt with a hex/star head that secures the buffer to the mount. Mine was ripped am with no rubber left on it so I replaced it, but with a poweflex lower mount on it doesn't seem to do too much anyway
   
   
   Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
9. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

   #9 4th March 2014, 18:17

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Gandi699 Gearbox mount, easy and cheap to swap half hours job. Check the other engine mount too,bolt can snap in the middle of that too Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

   Im guessing you meen the upper one as ive just done the lower...
   
   John, i will check that at the weekend.
10. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #10 4th March 2014, 18:18

    Yeah the upper one, it's like a rubber cone. That said the plate this bolts to can't snap off the mounts on the box casing so then it's box casing/rebuild time or a new box realistically
    
    
    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
11. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #11 4th March 2014, 18:19

    What gandi said karl.
12. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

    #12 4th March 2014, 18:23

    Will get on it
    
    thanks alot guys
13. KrisB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2009 Dorking,Surrey,M25 J9 Posts: 2616 Static -80mm Peugeot 405

    #13 4th March 2014, 18:45

    Check the upper engine mount too. Just undo the two 13mm bolts... If half the mount comes out then that's your problem and you can figure from there. If you can't remove it without the two 13mm bolts then it's fine.
    
    Basically, on that mount, the engine hangs off just one 8mm thick bolt.
14. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

    #14 4th March 2014, 19:06

    Thanks again pal, looks like another bury weekend on the saxo
15. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

    #15 8th March 2014, 17:42

    Ok so i checked the other mounts today...
    
    engine (near ecu) is fine
    
    gearbox upper well im unsure, the metal sleave inside the rubber is abit "free"... not realy sure how to tell if its fucked tbh :/
    
    anyone
    
    Oh and the gearbox nearly fell out! My mistake like AND i managed to thread one of the 13mm bolts for the g.box mount so will have to get a longer one and a nut tomorow to secure that. Nightmare!
16. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #16 8th March 2014, 19:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Spanky engine (near ecu) is fine

    Did you remove it and check the M8 bolt on the bottom of it though?
    
    That gearbox mount thread could probably be sorted by running a tap through it.
17. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

    #17 8th March 2014, 19:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Liam_ Did you remove it and check the M8 bolt on the bottom of it though? That gearbox mount thread could probably be sorted by running a tap through it.

    Removed the 13mm bolts.... does the black plastic cover thing come off?
    
    didnt want the engine dropping out! Haha
    
    i did tap it, but now just goes in and spins so think the bolt fooked, may get a same sized bolt and try that to.
18. KrisB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2009 Dorking,Surrey,M25 J9 Posts: 2616 Static -80mm Peugeot 405

    #18 8th March 2014, 19:35

    If you can't lift the bit you unbolt with the 13mm heads then it's ok.
    
    No need to take the plastic cover off. It's there to prevent the mount from perishing I'd assume.
19. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #19 8th March 2014, 19:37

    best off actually removing the ecu side..often you cant move them in the bay from the weight of the engine but when you get them off the bolt is snapped
20. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

    #20 8th March 2014, 19:46

    Hmm conflicting info hah
    
    How would i support the engine though? :/
21. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #21 8th March 2014, 19:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Spanky Hmm conflicting info hah How would i support the engine though? :/

    Block of wood and jack under the sump. Undo the 4x T50 bolts on the metal arm of the mount, then the 2x M8 bolts on the mount itself. Should be able to wiggle the whole thing off then.
22. KrisB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2009 Dorking,Surrey,M25 J9 Posts: 2616 Static -80mm Peugeot 405

    #22 8th March 2014, 19:55

    But if the bolt had snapped then the mount would lift right out without touching the engine half of the mount.
    
    I've seen more than enough snapped to know this
23. KrisB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2009 Dorking,Surrey,M25 J9 Posts: 2616 Static -80mm Peugeot 405

    #23 8th March 2014, 19:57

    But frankly, a snapped upper mount would cause more knocks and masses of vibrations.
    
    Worn gearbox upper mount WILL cause your front end to wobble.
24. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

    #24 8th March 2014, 20:00

    How do you tell if the g.box mount is worn?
    
    Had the whole thing off today but didnt really know what i was looking for :/
25. KrisB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2009 Dorking,Surrey,M25 J9 Posts: 2616 Static -80mm Peugeot 405

    #25 8th March 2014, 20:06

    The rubber inside will be quite soft and lumpy. It's probably just worth fitting a new one for the sake of 12 quid.
26. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #26 8th March 2014, 20:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Spanky How do you tell if the g.box mount is worn? Had the whole thing off today but didnt really know what i was looking for :/

    Flip it upside down and remove the metal insert from inside the rubber. The rubber will probably be crumbling away if it's dead.
27. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

    #27 8th March 2014, 20:37

    Thanks guys, will get on it
28. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #28 8th March 2014, 20:51

    ive drove cars with snapped upper mount that you couldnt tell tbh..only from the clicking it makes when you pull off
    
    just depends where abouts the bolt has snapped
29. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

    #29 8th March 2014, 23:44

    Mine clicks :O