best brake upgrade

1. Hothatch89 L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Sheffield Posts: 94 Vtr phase1 facelift

   #1 1st April 2014, 23:35

   Im wondering if I can upgrade my brakes without spending daft money, maybe from a xsara or 206 etc, that bolt straight on from a scrapyard or brokers.
   Also isit best to change the calipers, disk etc or just a certain part if thats any sense? Cheers guys.
2. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

   #2 1st April 2014, 23:41

   Bleed the brakes, fresh (budget) discs and good pads are the best idea unless you're seeing track use etc, then consider a slight upgrade in size to a 266 setup (206 gti etc).
   
   Save your money.

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3. SlickandQuick Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2013 West Lothian Posts: 109 Citroen Saxo VTR - 2002. Makes all the birds cream

   #3 6th April 2014, 11:59

   306 gti6 breaks are good.
4. Hothatch89 L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Sheffield Posts: 94 Vtr phase1 facelift

   #4 7th April 2014, 10:59

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by SlickandQuick 306 gti6 breaks are good.

   Would they fit straight on my vtr? With vts wheels, without having to do anything else?
5. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

   #5 7th April 2014, 12:26

   Yes. But why do you want them? (serious question).
6. user_67281 L-plater Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 43 Saxo westcoast mk1/ mk6.5 fiesta/subara classic /s

   #6 11th April 2014, 12:39

   A friend of mine brought a vts and had to upgrade the break on his car, we went out and brought a set off a 206 gti and they have made the car alot more responsive, alot better, i would say go for the 206 gti
7. Jungle Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Sheffield Posts: 1206 106 Rallye Turbo

   #7 11th April 2014, 12:50

   How have 206 gti brakes made the car more responsive?
8. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #8 11th April 2014, 12:54

   they wont improve your stopping distance but they will change the amount of force you have to apply on the hydraulic system. For the better - not totally convinced myself.
9. Hothatch89 L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Sheffield Posts: 94 Vtr phase1 facelift

   #9 11th April 2014, 14:04

   Why do I want better brakes....??
   That's not a serious question. .?
   1. Standard/current ones are shit.
   2. I'll be camming and TBing my car next 2-3months so need to be a little better.
10. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #10 11th April 2014, 14:06

    What people mean is its not always necessary to upgrade the brakes to larger diameter discs and associated calipers. Pad choice, disc type and fluid upgrade can offer cheaper and just as effective improvements

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11. user_67281 L-plater Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 43 Saxo westcoast mk1/ mk6.5 fiesta/subara classic /s

    #11 11th April 2014, 14:42

    well kam actually they have, made the stopping distence of the car alot faster
12. Hothatch89 L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Sheffield Posts: 94 Vtr phase1 facelift

    #12 11th April 2014, 22:40

    I understand that and will be looking at the brembo pads and disks pack?
    There on ebay, do you think they will be decent, with braided brake hoses and new fluid?
13. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #13 12th April 2014, 01:19

    Oem replacements usually those things, they'll be alright but don't expect track day or race performance pads when you get them
    
    
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14. Quick Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064

    #14 13th April 2014, 10:50

    Better tyres will make a difference!

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15. Hothatch89 L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Sheffield Posts: 94 Vtr phase1 facelift

    #15 13th April 2014, 23:31

    I've got continentals all round with good tread, there a billion times better than the 'ginling' ones that came on the car ..
16. Hothatch89 L-plater Joined: Jan 2013 Sheffield Posts: 94 Vtr phase1 facelift

    #16 13th April 2014, 23:36

    I just want them to feel more reassuring, they don't have to be to be race spec material.
    I've heard from a few ppl the standard vtr brakes are pants :/
17. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #17 13th April 2014, 23:40

    They really aren't that crap when they've been sorted with the right parts and adjustments here and there
    
    
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18. user_66211 Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2013 Rugby Posts: 170 1.1 Saxo Desire

    #18 14th April 2014, 03:56

    Just get them re adjusted, will cost about 60 quid at a garage and youll really tell the difference
19. user_55718 Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2011 Tadcaster Posts: 331 08 turbo panda 02 vtr

    #19 16th April 2014, 07:12

    i had a set of ebb yellows, taros g88 discs and some racing blue fluid on my vtr - standard size discs and standard callipers.
    it used to out brake most things, they were lethal. lots better than my current set up - halfrauds fluid, ferrodo pads and hi spec 4 pots with 320mm rotors.
20. Gabbastard Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390

    #20 16th April 2014, 11:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thecorporatemachine i had a set of ebb yellows, taros g88 discs and some racing blue fluid on my vtr - standard size discs and standard callipers. it used to out brake most things, they were lethal. lots better than my current set up - halfrauds fluid, ferrodo pads and hi spec 4 pots with 320mm rotors.

    
    No wonder, with discs so big theyd always be freezing cold.
21. deano_123 Established Member Joined: Nov 2011 Newcastle Posts: 1698 Range Rover Sport

    #21 16th April 2014, 13:22

    Matts selling brembo 4 pots for £125, go for them
22. Alfie09 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 579

    #22 16th April 2014, 16:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by deano_123 Matts selling brembo 4 pots for £125, go for them

    They ain't all that though!
    The discs they need are heavy, they make a racket when you brake and you either need spacers to use 15inch wheels or 16 inch wheels
    
    
    A set if braided lines (all four)
    Fresh quality fluid
    Good quality oe spec disks
    Uprated pads
    
    And the handbrake adjusted correctly and its fine
23. tomnelson Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2010 coalville Posts: 711 project flat arch

    #23 5th May 2014, 08:34

    Most if it's to do with heat disapation of the disc and force multiplication between the master cylinder and the caliper cylinder. Bigger brakes as a whole are generally better until you get to the point you can't even keep the brakes warm then it's just overkill.
    
    If you took standard brakes with uprated disc and pads and compared them against 266 or 283 with uprated disc and pads the standards with general come worse off. BUT ONLY FROM HIGH SPEEDS. At low speeds you would never notice a difference apart from how the pedal might feel abit firmer or less travel.
    
    Also you may need to upgrade your master cylinder size to improve force multiplication depending on brakes
24. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #24 5th May 2014, 10:32

    206 Gti 266s, random discs, DS2500 pads, maybe a 23mm MC, this is all you need
25. MartinObviously Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2012 Perth Posts: 3665 Peugeot 106 1.1 Turbo Peugeot 106 1.5D Turbo Peuge

    #25 5th May 2014, 11:12

    VTR brakes are shit?
    
    Aren't they vented the same as the VTS and GTi?
    
    No way they are shit, unless you're onto heavy track use.
26. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #26 6th May 2014, 13:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomnelson Most if it's to do with heat disapation of the disc and force multiplication between the master cylinder and the caliper cylinder. Bigger brakes as a whole are generally better until you get to the point you can't even keep the brakes warm then it's just overkill. If you took standard brakes with uprated disc and pads and compared them against 266 or 283 with uprated disc and pads the standards with general come worse off. BUT ONLY FROM HIGH SPEEDS. At low speeds you would never notice a difference apart from how the pedal might feel abit firmer or less travel. Also you may need to upgrade your master cylinder size to improve force multiplication depending on brakes

    The limit of braking (measured by deceleration) is tyre grip...
    
    As I've said before - you want the SMALLEST discs you can run that will not fade under the intended use you plan. Larger discs and bigger brakes have many negative implications.
27. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #27 6th May 2014, 13:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ross The limit of breaking (measured by deceleration) is tyre grip... As I've said before - you want the SMALLEST discs you can run that will not fade under the intended use you plan. Larger discs and bigger brakes have many negative implications.

    pm prickle
    
    for reals
28. Jamie Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9363 Focus ST & 206 GTI180

    #28 6th May 2014, 13:58

    Personally,
    
    I'd go for 4 pots. Howevs like if you have a budget, 4 pots might cost you more than you'd like.
    
    For instance,
    
    Moi, second time round...
    
    150 for Calipers collected
    40 to paint
    20 on custom decals (only used badge)
    2-3 on normal decals
    
    Then you'd need
    
    fluids
    23mm MC *assuming you're on Brembos*
    discs
    Pads
    lines
    fitting if you canny do it yourself...
    
    
    So far I've spent 190 odd on mine. Still need discs *arguably don't* decent pads, lines & fluids.
    
    
    Anyway, I agree with what people say about normal brake upgrades. Discs,pads etc can make all the difference.
    
    For instance,
    
    My last set of Brembos,
    
    I got cheap discs *drilled and grooved* and some shit mintex pads. The guy who ended up with my car took the 4 pots off earned some pocket money and ended up with better pads on gti brakes etc and he thought it performed better.
    
    I'd still say, not only do 4 pots look far better, but after decent pads etc they will or at least should outperform the gti's. So much to factor in though I guess... they add weight. Tell you what though, even on shit pads my vts stopped definitely far better than stock...
    
    Anyway. I will stop talking crap now.
29. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #29 6th May 2014, 14:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MuZiZZle pm prickle for reals

    Bitches love 4 pots.
    
    tbf my old 266s worked very well. i just wanted something nicer to look at.

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30. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

    #30 6th May 2014, 14:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Prickle Bitches love 4 pots. tbf my old 266s worked very well. i just wanted something nicer to look at.

    Should have bought a car cover, or made one from crisp packets woven together with strands of pubic hair
31. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #31 6th May 2014, 15:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MuZiZZle Should have bought a car cover, or made one from crisp packets woven together with strands of pubic hair

    Lol, may aswell now with the state it's in.
    
    cover on with the windows cut out lol

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