SOLVED! 16v stalling when idling and misfires

1. user_43033 Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Bradford Posts: 1490 '02 VTR, '92 106 XSI 16v

   #1 18th June 2014, 18:54

   I've had this problem for a while now...
   
   Basically, my 16v conversion has bad idling problems and threatens to stall whe. Idling.
   It would stall if you don't give it afew revs. Doesn't happen every time, but most times.
   
   And sometimes whilst setting off from junctions, it would misfire when accelerating with loss of power and very 'jerky movements'.
   To solve this, I have to give the car afew revs and then It would drive fine again.
   
   
   
   I have changed loads of parts/ sensors but still no joy.
   
   - new icv valve
   - new crank sensor
   - new air flow sensor
   - new fuel filter
   - different temperature sensor
   - different coilpack
   - new spark plugs
   - different lambda sensor
   - carburettor cleaner sprayed into inlet
   - injector cleaner used
   
   Probably afew other things I've missed off this list.
   
   What else should I look at?????
   
   Anyone think it could be the 4-2-1 manifold??
   Injectors?,
   Fuel pump???
   
   
   What you guys think?
   
   Thanks In advance
2. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

   #2 18th June 2014, 18:55

   I had a problem with a vacuum leak, made mine stall.

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3. user_43033 Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Bradford Posts: 1490 '02 VTR, '92 106 XSI 16v

   #3 18th June 2014, 18:59

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Mickswan I had a problem with a vacuum leak, made mine stall.

   Where was the problem and how did you solve it??
4. Mickswan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2013 Jarrow Posts: 4022 2003 Icelandic Grey 16v VTR 1991 Daihatsu GTti

   #4 18th June 2014, 19:02

   Split hose on a breather going to the carbon canister. When I disconnected the breather it idled fine. No saying it's that but worth a shout.

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5. user_43033 Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Bradford Posts: 1490 '02 VTR, '92 106 XSI 16v

   #5 18th June 2014, 19:09

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Mickswan Split hose on a breather going to the carbon canister. When I disconnected the breather it idled fine. No saying it's that but worth a shout.

   Where do the hoses on the carbon canister go to?
   
   Yeah defo worth a go.. Running out of ideas thanks
6. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #6 18th June 2014, 19:20

   The carbon canister is tucked up in the inner wing.

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7. user_43033 Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Bradford Posts: 1490 '02 VTR, '92 106 XSI 16v

   #7 18th June 2014, 19:36

   Hmm.. Mine doesn't seem to have one.
   
   It's an s1 106 16v conversion.
   
   Anyone know where the hoses from the carbon canister go???
   
   I have just found the following.. Can anyone shed some light on these??
   
   
   
   - what is this hole / thread for in the inlet?! There is nothing in it...
   
   
   
   
   - the fuel pump/ sender unit.... What are these holes for... Should there be something attached to them???
   
   
   
   
   
   Abit off topic but does anyone know what this plug is for?? (Located just behind the passenger side headlight)
   
   
   
   
   I have now learnt a lesson... Never buy a car with an engine conversion!!
   
   
   Sorry for the noobie questions
8. user_43033 Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Bradford Posts: 1490 '02 VTR, '92 106 XSI 16v

   #8 18th June 2014, 20:15

   Also, since I don't have a carbon canister, the plug is just loose with nothing plugged in??
   
   Could this be sending the ECU a fault?? Do I need to plug something back in?
9. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

   #9 18th June 2014, 22:02

   For the carbon canister it runs from a nipple on the inlet to the canister then the canister has a feed from the tank for vapours. Just block it off on yours, your tank will be vented another way if it's not there
   
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10. user_43033 Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Bradford Posts: 1490 '02 VTR, '92 106 XSI 16v

    #10 18th June 2014, 22:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gandi699 For the carbon canister it runs from a nipple on the inlet to the canister then the canister has a feed from the tank for vapours. Just block it off on yours, your tank will be vented another way if it's not there Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    We'll since mine doesn't have a carbon canister fitted, I was gonna look to where they should be connected and see if they are blocked off properly.
    
    Do you know where abouts on the tank it would be connected?? Allthough I'm doubtful mine will have it since it's a pre car 1992 model
11. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #11 18th June 2014, 22:08

    I meant on the inlet mate, where does the pipe if fitted run to?
    
    
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12. user_43033 Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Bradford Posts: 1490 '02 VTR, '92 106 XSI 16v

    #12 18th June 2014, 22:11

    Ahh .. the pipe from the inlet?
    
    I will check tomorrow and update the thread when I have traced it.
    
    Thanks
13. user_43033 Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Bradford Posts: 1490 '02 VTR, '92 106 XSI 16v

    #13 20th June 2014, 12:17

    Haven't checked the pipe yet, but I was driving along yesterday and the engine management light came in for a good 10 seconds and then went off?? What could this mean??
    When it came on there was no difference to the drive.
    Thanks
    
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14. user_31124 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Piesok,Slovakia Posts: 254 Silver MK II VTS 1.6 16V 2002

    #14 20th June 2014, 14:59

    Intermittent fault is when EML is came on and off after some time...

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15. user_43033 Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Bradford Posts: 1490 '02 VTR, '92 106 XSI 16v

    #15 20th June 2014, 22:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by misulko Intermittent fault is when EML is came on and off after some time...

    What do you mean by an 'intermittent fault'??
    
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16. user_35090 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 west mids (dudley) Posts: 1201 cammed 106 flatty

    #16 21st June 2014, 18:25

    With this being a conversion, where did you get the engine loom from?
    
    did you have to have it spliced?.
    
    If you swapped sensors and the loom is faulty, those sensor wont work.
    
    Pain in the arse but if you can get you hands on another loom, swap it and try that.
    
    If you had it spliced by someone professionally then thats not going to be the case.
    
    has this happened from the get go of the conversion, or has it happened much later on?
17. user_43033 Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Bradford Posts: 1490 '02 VTR, '92 106 XSI 16v

    #17 22nd July 2014, 17:29

    PROBLEM SOLVED!
    
    Just thought I'd update this...
    
    After changing nearly every sensor on the whole car...
    It turns out to be a cracked exhaust manifold
    The lambda sensor must have been picking up oxygen through the crack/hole.
    
    Thanks for all your help guys!
    She's now running sweet
    
    

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18. user_31124 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Piesok,Slovakia Posts: 254 Silver MK II VTS 1.6 16V 2002

    #18 22nd July 2014, 20:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DavidsVTR What do you mean by an 'intermittent fault'??

    temporaty fault, not permanent...