What length Wheel nuts with 5mm spacers

25th July 2014, 22:48

Going to buy 5mm spacers and wondering what length of wheel nuts i need could probably measure the current ones and add 5mm but that's effort

2002 1.1 saxo with VTR alloys

25th July 2014, 23:11

For 5mm I'd just use same ones.

25th July 2014, 23:17

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Originally Posted by Yates

For 5mm I'd just use same ones.

I currently have the wheel nuts for the standard wheels in the alloys and 2mm spacers and the nut it hardly gripping it and keep going slack overtime

26th July 2014, 09:13

you need 5mm extra on the bolt length.

26th July 2014, 13:15

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Originally Posted by ImElliot

I currently have the wheel nuts for the standard wheels in the alloys and 2mm spacers and the nut it hardly gripping it and keep going slack overtime

Firstly, the components used to secure the wheels to the hub on a standard saxo are wheel BOLTS not wheel nuts. Nuts would imply that you have wheel studs in the hub onto which you put the wheel, followed by the wheel nuts.

Secondly, please please tell me you aren't using the standard wheel bolts for steel wheels to secure ALLOY wheels to the car? If you are, stop immediately as you will be damaging your alloys and they could fall off going down the road. What wheels did your car have originally, and what wheels have you got on it now? What bolts are you using?

26th July 2014, 19:02

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Originally Posted by mechsman

Firstly, the components used to secure the wheels to the hub on a standard saxo are wheel BOLTS not wheel nuts. Nuts would imply that you have wheel studs in the hub onto which you put the wheel, followed by the wheel nuts.

Secondly, please please tell me you aren't using the standard wheel bolts for steel wheels to secure ALLOY wheels to the car? If you are, stop immediately as you will be damaging your alloys and they could fall off going down the road. What wheels did your car have originally, and what wheels have you got on it now? What bolts are you using?

Steel wheels now VTR alloys using the bolts off the steel wheels. They've been on the car since march and have been ok but the car has done about 600 miles with them

26th July 2014, 21:19

wrong bolts, VERY WRONG

27th July 2014, 15:39

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Originally Posted by welshpug

wrong bolts, VERY WRONG

So where can i find alloy bolts? a scrappy of a VTR? or could someone link me to some on Ebay

27th July 2014, 23:12

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Originally Posted by ImElliot

Steel wheels now VTR alloys using the bolts off the steel wheels. They've been on the car since march and have been ok but the car has done about 600 miles with them

Holy sh*t! Well, that's the reason the bolts keep working loose! They're totally the wrong bolts. I'm very suprised your wheels haven't come off at speed yet (and I mean that literally!).

Firstly, STOP using the steel wheel bolts in the alloys. Put the steel wheels back on until you get the correct bolts. You've been very lucky not to cause an accident.
The bolts you need look something like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PEUGEOT-CI...d#ht_367wt_958

i.e. the bolt seat of alloys is FLAT, not a 60 degree cone. You also need to check whether the particular set of wheels you have has the space for the wide hole for the shank under the washer or not. If not, there are a similar looking set of bolts that have no shank and the standard thread diameter all the way down.

Secondly, odds are, having driven a reasonable distance with the wheels like this, you will probably have totally wrecked the bolt seats. This means you will probably have trashed the alloys. You may be able to get the bolt seats redrilled but unless they are very good vtr alloys it may well not be worth it.

Honestly, people really, REALLY need to do their research before messing with safety critical components. Those 4 bolts on each wheel are the ONLY thing between you and a potentially massive accident.

27th July 2014, 23:33

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Originally Posted by mechsman

Holy sh*t! Well, that's the reason the bolts keep working loose! They're totally the wrong bolts. I'm very suprised your wheels haven't come off at speed yet (and I mean that literally!).

Firstly, STOP using the steel wheel bolts in the alloys. Put the steel wheels back on until you get the correct bolts. You've been very lucky not to cause an accident.
The bolts you need look something like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PEUGEOT-CI...d#ht_367wt_958

i.e. the bolt seat of alloys is FLAT, not a 60 degree cone. You also need to check whether the particular set of wheels you have has the space for the wide hole for the shank under the washer or not. If not, there are a similar looking set of bolts that have no shank and the standard thread diameter all the way down.

Secondly, odds are, having driven a reasonable distance with the wheels like this, you will probably have totally wrecked the bolt seats. This means you will probably have trashed the alloys. You may be able to get the bolt seats redrilled but unless they are very good vtr alloys it may well not be worth it.

Honestly, people really, REALLY need to do their research before messing with safety critical components. Those 4 bolts on each wheel are the ONLY thing between you and a potentially massive accident.

I actually had no idea it was a problem haha. and i wish i knew this at the time for the past 2 weeks i've been doing around 80mph plus every day

They've only been going slack when i put the 2mm spacers on they've been fine any other time. (spacers have been removed) until i get 5mm spacers and correct wheel nuts.

Taking a drive to my local scrappy tomorrow to look for a VTR and get the bolts of that

27th July 2014, 23:53

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Originally Posted by ImElliot

I actually had no idea it was a problem haha. and i wish i knew this at the time for the past 2 weeks i've been doing around 80mph plus every day

They've only been going slack when i put the 2mm spacers on they've been fine any other time. (spacers have been removed) until i get 5mm spacers and correct wheel nuts.

Taking a drive to my local scrappy tomorrow to look for a VTR and get the bolts of that

And that's why people should research mods before touching stuff.

That'll be because when you didn't have the spacers in, the wheel was correctly seated onto the hub, and the bolts were literally just providing clamping force like they're supposed to. Putting the spacers in moves the wheel away from the hub and puts more force on the bolts.

Also, you shouldn't really need spacers to put vtr wheels on, even on a flat arch. I run vtr rims on my flat arch mk1 with no spacers and it's fine. Why do you think you need spacers? If it's touching, where/when is it touching?

28th July 2014, 14:01

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Originally Posted by mechsman

And that's why people should research mods before touching stuff.

That'll be because when you didn't have the spacers in, the wheel was correctly seated onto the hub, and the bolts were literally just providing clamping force like they're supposed to. Putting the spacers in moves the wheel away from the hub and puts more force on the bolts.

Also, you shouldn't really need spacers to put vtr wheels on, even on a flat arch. I run vtr rims on my flat arch mk1 with no spacers and it's fine. Why do you think you need spacers? If it's touching, where/when is it touching?

I've already had a post regarding that and basically when i have passengers in the back the wheels rub. because of how wide the tyre is

28th July 2014, 17:16

I got some alloy bolts and was fitting them and on the rear drivers wheel the bolt won't tightening with the alloy on it goes in fine and tightens without the alloy and the steel bolts with the steel wheel goes in fine as far as i can tell there's nothing wrong with the alloy i've tried different bolts and turning the wheel round to different studs and its not happening