the saxo drift car...

  1. L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 61
    #1
    i got my 1.1 desire 4 months ago with 38k on the clocks in good condition only it had a different brand of tyre on each wheel, after a month i changed the fronts on to Yokohama blue earths and they seem nice and grippy even in the cold like today now the back has a continental on the left and a michelin on the right i do aim to change them to yoko blue earths but not for a few months.

    the car has now gone sideways a few times and on one occasion it jack knifed around a few times and fully spun around nearly sending me off the side of a dangerous road. each time has been at or below 30mph without any warning it just goes. seeing as im a new driver i have been putting it down to my driving or maybe its the tyres or is this a saxo thing? each time it has been damp

    fwd should not drift and tbh its not particularly nice at 20mph on a roundabout
  2. Established Member Joined: Nov 2011 Newcastle Posts: 1698 Range Rover Sport
    #2
    How do you jack knife a saxo, is it articulated?
  3. Established Member Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 1050 Volkswagen Bora 170bhp
    #3
    Your obviously taking corners too fast.

    I had Saxo's previously and the only time they wanted to slide out was when I was going too fast around corners.

    Why don't you put your front wheels on the back and see if this makes any difference.
  4. Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Nottingham/South London Posts: 976 Icelandic Grey VTR Mk2
    #4
    Lift off oversteer. If you go round a corner at speed and stop accelerating the back overtakes you. Although if it's doing it at such low speeds possibly some sort of suspension fuck up somewhere
  5. L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 61
    #5
    lift off oversteer at 20mph though? other people have said the too fast thing but a roundabout at 20mph? shouldnt cause an issue

    i think i will rotate the tyres like you say see what effects it has and if it is still a pain get it on a ramp and have a look at suspension. could a loose component cause this issue?
  6. Established Member Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 1050 Volkswagen Bora 170bhp
    #6
    Saxo's are well-known to have fucked up back axels so I'm guessing you could start with that.

    Check for any play with the back wheels.
  7. L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 61
    #7
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by deano_123 View Post
    How do you jack knife a saxo, is it articulated?
    the back comes around on you, you steer where you wanted to go, the back end goes from your right to your left. do that a few times until you loose control it spins around sending you backwards. foot on brake whole car slides backwards hitting the verge thankfully not sliding off the cliff edge on thew other side. did i mention it was the uks most dangerous road at one.

    from what i have just read about lift off oversteer the soft suspension is the main cause so when i get my 70mm lowering springs and lower the rear 90mm it should make it more stable when lifting off as it wont dive around as much.

    i presume top and lower braces wont help alot?

    will check the axle but it had an MOT a few weeks back and only advisory was leaking exhaust nothing else

    on that note anybody know the torque setting for the bolts from the manifold to the cat on a mk2 8v
  8. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 3593
    #8
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jackojeff View Post
    the back comes around on you, you steer where you wanted to go, the back end goes from your right to your left. do that a few times until you loose control it spins around sending you backwards. foot on brake whole car slides backwards hitting the verge thankfully not sliding off the cliff edge on thew other side. did i mention it was the uks most dangerous road at one.

    from what i have just read about lift off oversteer the soft suspension is the main cause so when i get my 70mm lowering springs and lower the rear 90mm it should make it more stable when lifting off as it wont dive around as much.

    i presume top and lower braces wont help alot?

    will check the axle but it had an MOT a few weeks back and only advisory was leaking exhaust nothing else

    on that note anybody know the torque setting for the bolts from the manifold to the cat on a mk2 8v
    I highly doubt a Saxo would fish tail and spin out doing 30mph or less. How fast were you actually going?
  9. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2010 Little Mill, South Wales Posts: 7547 Mondeo ST TDCI Saxo VTS
    #9
    Your right pedal sits too low. You would probably benefit from lifting that foot of yours of it a bit and drive sensibly. 20 around a roundabout still seems quite quick tbh.
  10. L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 61
    #10
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jizanthapus View Post
    I highly doubt a Saxo would fish tail and spin out doing 30mph or less. How fast were you actually going?
    30mph it was 3:30am with my boss in the car in the fog and around -2C the road also has average speed cameras set at 50mph it was a genuine 30mph spin i was actually trying to drive sensibly so i could get work driving but it happened so that threw that idea out the window.

    20mph is not fast come on i used to take the roundabout at 35mph on a 50cc motorbike and 50ish on other motorcycles so surely a car should be able to do atleast 30mph before getting twitchy. anyway the posty just dropped off my springs, do i need new dampers on the front dropping 60mm or will standard work? bilsteins are only £30 at demon tweeks at the minute but they say drop only 40mm and spax say drop 50mm max.
  11. Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Scotland Posts: 1764 Because racecar
    #11
    sounds like a classic case of new driver driving too fast and unable to control the car.

    Truth hurts.
  12. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 3593
    #12
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chompy View Post
    sounds like a classic case of new driver driving too fast and unable to control the car.

    Truth hurts.
    That's it.

    If it was icey and you were "only" going 30 and still managed to spin out then you aren't driving in the right manor for the conditions!
  13. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Stoke-on-trent Posts: 2640 Mk5 Golf GTTDI Mk2 VTR Project
    #13
    You've gotta be driving too fast tbh saxos don't spin easy even on shit tyres, just take it easy it is winter afterall the roads will get slippy
  14. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5
    #14
    Imagine what will happen with your 450bhp 1.1i in this!
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  15. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 3593
    #15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MuZiZZle View Post
    Imagine what will happen with your 450bhp 1.1i in this!
    I've only just realised this is the same guy. Lord have mercy on him, and those who surround him on thy road. Amen.
  16. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5
    #16
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jizanthapus View Post
    I've only just realised this is the same guy. Lord have mercy on him, and those who surround him on thy road. Amen.
    Maybe he's done a RWD conversion?
  17. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2010 Little Mill, South Wales Posts: 7547 Mondeo ST TDCI Saxo VTS
    #17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MuZiZZle View Post
    Maybe he's done a RWD conversion?
    M5 engine innit
  18. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 3593
    #18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MuZiZZle View Post
    Maybe he's done a RWD conversion?
    Don't give him ideas!
  19. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5
    #19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jizanthapus View Post
    Don't give him ideas!
    S85 + RWD, cost him £17.44 to do man!
  20. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064
    #20
    Check also tyre pressures.

    Don't make the rear lower than the front.
  21. L-plater Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 61
    #21
    love all you haters

    i hadnt heard of lift off oversteer before so i am going to admit it has been my fault due to letting off mid corner. making suspension stiffer should stop nose dive on lift off and under braking and should keep it relatively stable compared to oem. or i have got that wrong?

    tyre pressure are 2.2 bar front 2.0 bar rear
  22. Established Member Joined: Jun 2013 York Posts: 2134 Citroen Saxo VTR (2001)
    #22
    Both Saxos I have owned havent been amazing in the wet. But you have a car, you have a road with certain conditions, you drive to both of these factors.

    You dont take a hairpin corner at 50mph in a Saxo like you would in an F1 car, and you dont take a roundabout at 30mph in the wet, like you would in the dry.

    If the tail keeps coming out, its because youre entering the corner too fast, starting to understeer and then lifting off, causing the back end to come out! Enter the corner slower and then if you must go fast round it, then accelerate out of the corner, rather than whilst going round it! And if you start to understeer again, lift off gently and try to counter-steer it as its happening rather than waiting till your fully sideways!
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