nitrous oxide in a 1.1

10th September 2006, 19:04

wanting to put a 50 or 70bhp shot in my 1.1 to give it a kick, so when the bitches try racing me at the lights i can merc them! just wondered how much work would need to be done, can spare £350 for the job will this cover it? cheers guys

Jez

10th September 2006, 19:06

looking about £500 for a pucka job. however it will cost you about £300 - 600 each time you blow the engine up either gasket or block. honestly dont spend youre money on it.

10th September 2006, 19:06

Dont think anything about nos etc... but why!?

10th September 2006, 19:10

i can fit the kit myself, and a gasket isn't a problem i can get them from work and fit it for pennies, a head gasket will take me bout 1 and a half hours to fit! i need to know how much a 50 shot will set me back and what mods i need to do to be able to run it effectively!

10th September 2006, 19:12

try egay pick them up for £150/£300

10th September 2006, 19:14

thanks matey!! im guessin somethings gonna go pop if i fit it to a standard engine, so what needs doing?

10th September 2006, 19:16

had a quick look
nitrous kit

10th September 2006, 19:24

copper headgasket will last longer than standard one too

10th September 2006, 19:30

dont really know much about nos. but with this 50-70 bhp kit how much faster/quicker will it make a 1.1

what could it beat then at the lights if it had a nos kit

10th September 2006, 19:31

nothing is set in stone becuase it all depends on when the NOS is deployed etc

10th September 2006, 19:32

u'll probly kill it mate a 1.1 would just about take a scooter nitrous kit:thumbup:

10th September 2006, 19:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by jezpick

kick, so when the bitches try racing me at the lights i can merc them!

I can guess what merc means but never heard of it before

10th September 2006, 19:51

Why not just put a VTR engine in or get a new car completely?

To uprate the engine and then fit the kit will be wasting money! Conversion would be far more straight forward.

This thread has got to be related to the fact that Fast and Furious was on the other night! Your cars going to Merc like Paul Walkers acting!

10th September 2006, 19:54

lol

actually you can get vtr engines off ebay for around the £300 mark prob even cheaper

btw NOS wont make everything go blurry like in fast n' furious

10th September 2006, 19:55

Yes it does stop the lies!!! That cat is on NOS right now!

10th September 2006, 19:56

wat the raving one

10th September 2006, 19:56

your avatar yea

10th September 2006, 20:12

i cant be bothered with the hassle of buying a vtr engine for it, the cars done 98000 so im gonna be buying a vtr soon anyway! the car be blueprinted but its about ready to go to the dogs anyway! is someone gonna answer the question then, what do i need to do to run nitrous effectively??

10th September 2006, 20:31

come on guys!!

10th September 2006, 20:35

get a double thickness copper HG made up

then get the pros to fit the NOS kit for you. Its dangerous shit

done

10th September 2006, 20:43

if you go for the zex kit for diy install as this monitors fuel pressure/bottle pressure, this stops the chance of detonation, also you would need uprated clutch, mini max, and colder plugs, still not much point in a 1.1 but its your car

edit zex kit

10th September 2006, 23:58

get yourself a new vts engine it would be cheaper.you'll melt your tiny engine with the nos.my frien melt a civic 115hp engine with a 70 shot.

11th September 2006, 00:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by doubledavies

btw NOS wont make everything go blurry like in fast n' furious

does if you sniff it...

11th September 2006, 00:07

lol what are you planning on doing with a 1.1 enigne and nos??? Other than something going seriously wrong.

Just save the money and put it towards the vtr.

11th September 2006, 00:19

Nos is pretty good my mate had a 50shot in his 106 gti but it just spins the wheels from 1st-3rd so aint very good coming off traffic lights!

11th September 2006, 11:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamiep

Nos is pretty good my mate had a 50shot in his 106 gti but it just spins the wheels from 1st-3rd so aint very good coming off traffic lights!

progressive controler would stop that:thumbup:

11th September 2006, 12:57

I wouldn't bother mate!

11th September 2006, 13:03

not a 1.1, to much hassle ...

11th September 2006, 13:21

amazing how everyone has an opinion without answering the questions and how often do we listen to people who tell us not to do it!

you will need a metal head gasket (i think all 8vs are the same so a one from a vtr should be fine and it doesnt have to be doubled) you will get away with a 50 shot no bother but a 25 with a controller would be better, you wont gain massive power btw as the engine doesnt have the ability to use it, dropping a 1.6 bottom end on then the nos would be the best way to go and you can do that without changing anything else e.g. cam, gearbox etc.

11th September 2006, 17:18

try fitting a turbo into it. see whats about etc. it will stil lprobably nacker the engine unless done properly. But i have seen one or 2 1.1 with turbo's in them and its incredible the amount they push out! but good luck with the nos!

11th September 2006, 20:45

Nitrous oxide can be fitted to pretty much any petrol car.

The main pain is trying to get the mixture right... if you run to lean you'll burn your engine to smithereens... if your too rich you'll just give yourself a healthy dose of empty pocket.

Wizards of nos are very good, and create some nice kit too..

Give them a try... http://www.wizardsofnos.com/index2.html

Mick

12th September 2006, 00:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by mick2404

Nitrous oxide can be fitted to pretty much any petrol car.

The main pain is trying to get the mixture right... if you run to lean you'll burn your engine to smithereens... if your too rich you'll just give yourself a healthy dose of empty pocket.

Wizards of nos are very good, and create some nice kit too..

Give them a try... http://www.wizardsofnos.com/index2.html

Mick

thats why I'd go for the zex kit, as it does it for you, put jets in you need, and the little brain you get keeps it all in check, the wizards are good kits but little bit harder to set up:thumbup:

13th September 2006, 17:09

managed to get hold of and install the VTR head gasket today. Will i be ok running a 25bhp shot now or would it be a better idea to put a VTR bottom end on first, then run a 50 shot!? as Ratty said!

13th September 2006, 17:15

get a WON kit, all the rest use crap solinoids which break or wear over time.

you will get more power/torque straight away from the 1.6 bottom (cant beat displacement) then with nos it will be good

13th September 2006, 17:23

I use the holley nos system and I can vouch for there soliniods, as I have had no bother with there kit 4 1/2 yrs now

13th September 2006, 19:22

anyone know anyone selling a VTR bottom end??

14th September 2006, 17:10

managed to arrange to pick up the vtr bottom end tomoz afternoon from a local scrappy!! hopefully get it fitted for sat and then i'll purchase the nitrous kit! should i declair that i have put a vtr head and bottom end on it, will it change much!

14th September 2006, 22:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by jezpick

i cant be bothered with the hassle of buying a vtr engine for it, the cars done 98000 so im gonna be buying a vtr soon anyway! the car be blueprinted but its about ready to go to the dogs anyway! is someone gonna answer the question then, what do i need to do to run nitrous effectively??

If ur getting a VTR soon anyway why not jus wait and save the money, then fit it to the VTR?

15th September 2006, 11:49

maybe he don't wanna fook up his VTR so hes just killing off the old 1.1 first, he obviously knows the consequences of whats gonna happen, so let him get on with it lol! post some pics when it done jez!

15th September 2006, 13:35

well why not just douse it in petrol and set it on fire, would be more spectacular.

15th September 2006, 18:50

bottom end all fitted and ready for the Nitrous!! hehe cant wait!

20th September 2006, 16:07

The nitrous arrived today, so im gonna have a crack

20th September 2006, 16:09

People who lie go to hell

20th September 2006, 16:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamWales

People who lie go to hell

No, People who lie go into consulting

20th September 2006, 16:14

and people who make false accusations get hurt! i'll get pics and a video up when i've fitted the kit! thanks to YM03 for all your advice, been very helpful!

20th September 2006, 16:15

I was just quoting from the bible, which I carry with me 24/7.....

20th September 2006, 16:16

This should be interesting...

20th September 2006, 16:21

I would be just as curious as the rest of you until i saw the proof, so i don't blame you guys for thinkin im a billy bullshitter! but watch this space for more!!

20th September 2006, 16:22

hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmm interesting!!! can't wait to see this! what did you get a 20bhp shot or a 50shot!

20th September 2006, 20:25

300 squid for a VTR engine??

i just payed 120 =] from egay.

20th September 2006, 20:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackman

300 squid for a VTR engine??

i just payed 120 =] from egay.

who the hell said anything about £300 for a VTR engine!?!?

20th September 2006, 21:06

sum1 like 2 pages ago lol =]

20th September 2006, 21:15

why don't you quote them then so we know what the hell your on about lol!

20th September 2006, 23:39

is it tht hard 2 see wat im on about then. 300 pound for a engine = expensive.

i payed 120 =s

but yea ill quote next time. sorry.

22nd September 2006, 11:40

just a couple of questions before we attempt to fit the nitrous today

1. Will the use of nitrous oxide affect the catalytic converter?
2. Should I modify my fuel system to use nitrous oxide?
3. Which is the best position ot mount a nitrous bottle?
4. Will I have to change my ignition system?
5. Are there any benefits to chilling the nitrous bottle?
6. Where can I get my bottle refilled?
last but not least 7. Will nitrous oxide cause detonation?

cheers guys any help greatly appreciated as im not getting my VTR for 3months yet so dont wanna feck this one up too much lol!

22nd September 2006, 11:46

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. In another car
4. Needs advancing
5. Yes, particals are smaller when cold
6. At the nitroes refill shop
7. Not that I know of

22nd September 2006, 11:50

1. No. The increase in oxygen present in the exhaust may actually increase the efficiency of the converter. Since the use of nitrous is normally limited to 10-20 seconds of continuous use, there usually are no appreciable effects. Temperatures are typically well within acceptable standards.

2. Most stock fuel pumps will work adequately for smaller nitrous applications. It is important to check to see if your pump can flow enough fuel to your existing fuel system, as well as being able to supply the additional fuel required by the nitrous kit under full throttle conditions. It may be a good idea to dedicate a separate fuel pump to the nitrous kit.

3. The bottle should come with siphon tubes and, in order to maintain proper nitrous pick-up, it is important to mount the bottle correctly. they reckon you should mount the bottle at summit like a 15 degree angle with the valve end higher than the bottom of the bottle.

4. Most late model ignition systems are well suited for nitrous applications.

5. No mate. Chilling the bottle lowers the pressure dramatically and will also lower the flow reate of the nitrous causing a fuel rich condition and reducing power. On cold evenings you might run on the rich side.

6. Dunno, lol! ask where you bought it from they will be able to tell you!

7. Not directly. Detonation is the result of too little fuel present during combustion (lean) or too low of an octane of fuel. Too much ignition advance also causes detonation. In general, most kits engineered for stock type engines will work with premium type fuels and minimal decreases of ignition timing.

hope this helps matey!! good luck and get those friggin piccies up when its done!! I maybe wrong with what im saying, but im 99% sure im right, love nitrous and have read into it for years so with nitrous im pretty good lol!

22nd September 2006, 12:24

Cheers S34MER!! rep sent!

22nd September 2006, 12:27

Come on Jez hurry up with the pics! We are all dying to see this now!

22nd September 2006, 12:31

i haven't fitted it yet only recieved the kit on Wed, and haven't had any free time at work to fit it yet, cause the boss has been in all week, my mate reackons its gonna take us about 6-7 hours to fit it properly so doubt were gonna finish it today, may stay later after work or will have to pop back in the morning and finish it off, see how it goes anyway!!

22nd September 2006, 12:36

I thought particles expanded when cold? Like when water freezes it takes up more room in the container its in?

If this car detonates have any you checked to see if your liable! Not been funny but I'd like to think id have covered myself whilst giving advice on such things. Maybe a disclaimer and the fact that its not been done by a qualified person (unless you are fully qualified to install nitrous jez, which if you are I apologize!).

Good luck regardless mate, still find it hard to believe without pictures but i'll take your word on it for now.

22nd September 2006, 12:39

6/7 to install nitrous, your having a laugh are you not! couple of hours tops and thats with a tea break in between.

Is it a dry or a wet kit? If its a dry kit then chances are you will run mega lean when using it and risk leaving a large hole in one or more of your pistons

23rd September 2006, 10:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott

6/7 to install nitrous, your having a laugh are you not! couple of hours tops and thats with a tea break in between.

Is it a dry or a wet kit? If its a dry kit then chances are you will run mega lean when using it and risk leaving a large hole in one or more of your pistons

he's suposed to have gettin direct port wet kit scot, as for the hours is possible to take that long as you need to tap all the inlet ports.

jezpick, bottle needs to be facing foward, front of bottle higher than back of bottle, wont harm your cat, and I hope you have set fuel pressure up proply, as this is how you work your feul jets out, to small you'll pop engine, to big and you'll lose power

23rd September 2006, 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billog_VTR

I thought particles expanded when cold? Like when water freezes it takes up more room in the container its in?

If this car detonates have any you checked to see if your liable! Not been funny but I'd like to think id have covered myself whilst giving advice on such things. Maybe a disclaimer and the fact that its not been done by a qualified person (unless you are fully qualified to install nitrous jez, which if you are I apologize!).

Good luck regardless mate, still find it hard to believe without pictures but i'll take your word on it for now.

The thing with nitrous, the hotter the bottle the more pressure, thats why they sell bottle warmers, they also come with safty system, once bottle passes certian pressure a valve blows to relise the nitrous, if bottle is in cab of car, your supposed to fit a blow down pipe filted outer the cab

23rd September 2006, 10:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by YM03

The thing with nitrous, the hotter the bottle the more pressure, thats why they sell bottle warmers, they also come with safty system, once bottle passes certian pressure a valve blows to relise the nitrous, if bottle is in cab of car, your supposed to fit a blow down pipe filted outer the cab

correctomundo!!!

24th September 2006, 15:45

Not worth putting nos in a 1.1 the smaller the cylender compacity the less power ypu get from nitro!vtr engine is best bet and wil take off like fu*k with the 1.1 gearbox!

24th September 2006, 16:00

Not worth putting nos in a 1.1 the smaller the cylender compacity the less power ypu get from nitro!vtr engine is best bet and wil take off like fu*k with the 1.1 gearbox!

24th September 2006, 16:23

hmmmm not really.

shaggers has a 1.1 box in his and there fuck all difference.

24th September 2006, 18:17

wanting to put a 50 or 70bhp shot in my 1.1 to give it a kick, so when the bitches try racing me at the lights i can merc them!

do you live in 'the fast and the furious' film?

25th September 2006, 11:07

Proof Proof

25th September 2006, 15:16

wel i just fitted one in mine and it takes off alot quicker because of shorter ratio, but the top end is shit but who needs it!just sayin it is easy to fit vtr engine in 1.1, and wil give better power gains, bit of a mission to fit vts one tho!

1st October 2006, 11:51

what happend about this , did it get fitted or was it a lod of crap?

1st October 2006, 13:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

wanting to put a 50 or 70bhp shot in my 1.1 to give it a kick, so when the bitches try racing me at the lights i can merc them!

do you live in 'the fast and the furious' film?

couldnt of said it any better myself

1st October 2006, 13:09

^ im sure 6-7 hours have passed,

wheres the NOS?

3rd October 2006, 11:32

NOS in 1.1 rofl.

3rd October 2006, 13:39

Well he had signed in today and still hasnt posted anything......

3rd October 2006, 15:04

why do people do this :@

3rd October 2006, 15:10

he sounded like he was pretty legit, but then again we see no evidence! im with garybuk, why do people bother doing this? has any1 pm'd him?

12th October 2006, 20:16

cos i went out and left computer on!yes it did happen, im genuine ok! and i was only tryin to help the guy out wats the problem?

11th September 2007, 20:39

you are insane mate, no really you are properly insane... just sell your car and use ur £500 or whatever to buy a faster car

11th September 2007, 20:41

u going to merc them are ya buddy lmfao

11th September 2007, 20:43

dredge.