1.1 Turbo How Fast/Faster ?

1. Jonny_H Established Member Joined: Jul 2006 Manchester Posts: 1271 Honda Civic 53 Plate

   #1 11th September 2006, 17:38

   if u was to turbo a 1.1 how much faster would the be?
   
   what bhp ish?
   
   and would it be as fast as say a 1.4 ?
   
   dont know much about engines...sorry
2. tel Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2006 west london United Kingdom (England) Posts: 387 mk2 saxo vt rep 1.1

   #2 11th September 2006, 17:54

   i would say a 1.1 turbo should be able to keep up with a vtr to be honest but the money you would be spending you would be able to vts a saxo for half the price
3. Connor_scotland Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2006 Inverness - Scotland Posts: 8294 4th Impreza of the year - 391bhp - Audi S4 Avant,

   #3 11th September 2006, 17:56

   it would be interesting to do if the money was going spare :-)
4. Richardson_VTS Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Northallerton Posts: 1672 Mini Cooper S

   #4 11th September 2006, 17:59

   a 1.1 engine thats not ment for a turbo won't last very long lol!
5. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

   #5 11th September 2007, 20:36

   PIE!!!!!!!
6. Maxwell Established Member Joined: Aug 2007 Turin, Italy Posts: 2238 Fiesta ST-2, Saxo VTS ph2

   #6 11th September 2007, 20:42

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Richardson_VTS a 1.1 engine thats not ment for a turbo won't last very long lol!

   smart cars have 600cc turbos, dahatsui charade gtti's are 1.0 turbos...so why is a 1.1 not meant to have a turbo???
   
   if he customises a 1.1 tu properly and turbos it, it will handle the power.....but as people say, a vts conversion would be cheaper and better!
7. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

   #7 11th September 2007, 20:44

   A saxo 1.6 16v engine isnt "supposed" to be turbo'ed really.
   
   Components are uprated to deal with the extra power. So the same theory I
   would of thought applies to a 1.1 engine. uprate the internals and Im sure it
   will run fine. But of course quality costs..
8. Hannah Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 Brighton Posts: 6497 Stannah Stairlift

   #8 11th September 2007, 20:47

   Isn't Sophia_bush on here doing a 1.1 turbo?
   
   I'll have a search
   
   EDIT:Click me...
9. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

   #9 11th September 2007, 21:16

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Hannah Isn't Sophia_bush on here doing a 1.1 turbo? I'll have a search EDIT:Click me...

   thanks hannah!!
   
   btw all in costs for this stands me less than 1500 all in mapped up
10. Jazz Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 West Sussex Posts: 7566 CLS63 AMG

    #10 11th September 2007, 21:26

    Nah, it will be v.difficult to get the 1.1 as quick as a VTR. 1.4 maybe, but remember the small engine won't be able to handle anything other than very low boost without upgrading most of the components. To be frank, its a bit of a waste. Different isn't always the best. But if you just want something individual and money isn't an issue, then go for it
11. Jazz Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 West Sussex Posts: 7566 CLS63 AMG

    #11 11th September 2007, 21:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush thanks hannah!! btw all in costs for this stands me less than 1500 all in mapped up

    1500?? Thats not all that bad tbh...
12. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #12 11th September 2007, 21:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jazz_360 1500?? Thats not all that bad tbh...

    plus he says its quicker than his pug gti
13. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #13 11th September 2007, 21:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit plus he says its quicker than his pug gti

    yeah the RR results so far have been very impressive to
14. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #14 11th September 2007, 21:44

    well tbh if you guys who know want to say how much bhp it has I don't mind now as car is pretty reliable now and only small things to sort on it.
    
    NOt as fast as a VTR hmmm well good thing I got an electronice boost controller now that VTR must have been very unhappy he felt only 10psi and not the full fat
15. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #15 11th September 2007, 21:50

    you can pm me, i dont know "tear"
16. Jazz Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 West Sussex Posts: 7566 CLS63 AMG

    #16 11th September 2007, 21:52

    ...gulp... fair enough then
17. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #17 11th September 2007, 22:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush well tbh if you guys who know want to say how much bhp it has I don't mind now as car is pretty reliable now and only small things to sort on it. NOt as fast as a VTR hmmm well good thing I got an electronice boost controller now that VTR must have been very unhappy he felt only 10psi and not the full fat

    u need to post the bhp mate as you put all the time and effor into the project i'd feel a bit wrong posting your results
18. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #18 11th September 2007, 22:20

    lol steve its ok mate well if im not about be free to.
    
    141bhp and 130flb of torque on the run in map, now it is run in I need to sort the oil leak before I can get back on the rollers to have the map looked at and fettled with.
    
    Rolling roads wont let me on incase the oil really does spill out so need to sort that first but will try and get some videos this week if I can manage to hold the camera and drive at the same tiem!
19. Jazz Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 West Sussex Posts: 7566 CLS63 AMG

    #19 11th September 2007, 22:27

    141bhp and 130lb ft from just a 1.1?!.. Hats off, thats impressive.
20. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #20 11th September 2007, 22:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush will try and get some videos this week if I can manage to hold the camera and drive at the same tiem!

    gafa tape the camera to a hat then wear it while driving lol
21. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #21 11th September 2007, 23:39

    haha yeah erm will see how I can get it done lol
22. user_15989 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857

    #22 12th September 2007, 18:41

    Its actually easier to boost the smaller engines. There is no reason you could not boost a 1.1 to a point it could easily see off a VTS with fast road cams in.
23. scottyvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2007 Paisley / Brighouse lol Posts: 4561 Corsa VXRacing

    #23 12th September 2007, 20:21

    a mate of mine who done a bit of rally and done his charade - larger turbo all the gubbings 175bhp dont know what torque it had,
    
    but one of the best laughs ever !!!!
24. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #24 12th September 2007, 20:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AXracing Its actually easier to boost the smaller engines. There is no reason you could not boost a 1.1 to a point it could easily see off a VTS with fast road cams in.

    please explain? whys it easier im interested
25. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #25 12th September 2007, 21:03

    compression is low as standard for one i know that, cant think of what else tbh
26. Joesnow Frequent Poster Joined: May 2006 Posts: 691 Mk 1 VTS poseidon blue

    #26 13th September 2007, 00:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush 141bhp and 130flb of torque on the run in map, now it is run in I need to sort the oil leak before I can get back on the rollers to have the map looked at and fettled with.

    What boost pressure was that run at if you don’t mind me asking?
27. super_moo Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2007 Hinckly Posts: 100 MK2 red VTR

    #27 13th September 2007, 00:26

    lol jsut buy a evo or honda s2000 engine and wack that in lol. Fensport will put a 4agze engine in for just over a grand looking a 20v 5 cylinder 1.6 supercharged japense of peice of art runs at around 170bhp try that :~)
28. user_15989 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857

    #28 13th September 2007, 08:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit please explain? whys it easier im interested

    The reason most boosted saxos are not running much over 200bhp is because things start to fail. Its mostly the drive train that is the problem. The smaller engines are still tuff. So its easy to throw enough boost at it as to over spec the standard drive train. Even at 200bhp people tend to be running LSDs and race clutches. Where as a VTS engine could see well over 400bhp. So in many ways its a lot easier boost the smaller engines as its easy to see big gains in power of the stock engine with out braking the rest of the car. 200bhp form a 1.4 puts the same load on the rest of the car as 200bhp from a VTS. However the smaller engines do have a few week links but you can just pinch those parts from a bigger engine car in the scrap yard. As said they also have lower compression as standard. I would tend to go for a 1.4 if I was to boost a car. This is because its easy to get them past what the stock drive train will take and most of the parts to get good power from the engine can be had off other PSA engine. Such as low comp pistons and low comp big valve heads. That or a 1 for a bit of fun lol. If you want big big power and can spend 10K pluss on a box it would be best to go for a VTS. Or with that much cash you may as well use a XU or even EW
29. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #29 13th September 2007, 19:56

    totally see your points. thanks for the write up
30. user_12308 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2006 The Lang Toun Posts: 4133 Mk2 Clio V6 #007 of 354

    #30 13th September 2007, 20:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit totally see your points. thanks for the write up

    you bein funny? i read that and would love to understand the make-up of engines like most of us but got lost half way through. best to get back to my books with the big pictures
31. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #31 13th September 2007, 20:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mtpagey you bein funny? i read that and would love to understand the make-up of engines like most of us but got lost half way through. best to get back to my books with the big pictures

    was saying cheers lol
32. doco_vtr_boy Newbie Joined: Feb 2007 matlock Posts: 2 my saxo vtr

    #32 13th September 2007, 21:25

    hey am finkin of turboin my vtr any 1 got a vtr engine and gear box for sale
33. medz_vtrturbo Established Member Joined: Jul 2007 anglesey Posts: 1055 saxo vtr turbo

    #33 13th September 2007, 22:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by doco_vtr_boy hey am finkin of turboin my vtr any 1 got a vtr engine and gear box for sale

    wats wrong with the 1 u already got?
34. FinchysSaxo Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Buckinghamshire Posts: 2087 Megane F1 R26 Liquid Yellow

    #34 14th September 2007, 11:54

    sophia_bush did u post up ur pics on cruisebucks of ur 1.1 turbo ye? cuz i fink its u as u no steve
35. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #35 14th September 2007, 21:29

    steve posted pics there for me yeah and a few people got upset lol then I started to semi update it
36. FinchysSaxo Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Buckinghamshire Posts: 2087 Megane F1 R26 Liquid Yellow

    #36 16th September 2007, 22:56

    ye i was backing you up m8 lol ye there are some people on there that just cant handle that you can do some awesome things with french cars. hows the car atm? want to see it in action m8
37. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #37 19th September 2007, 20:09

    check out my progress thing finchy
    
    Car is fine bar oil leak from the rocker, but have a few bits to sort and whai ai man
38. FinchysSaxo Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Buckinghamshire Posts: 2087 Megane F1 R26 Liquid Yellow

    #38 20th September 2007, 22:20

    i see m8 v nice how much have u spent upto now?
39. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #39 20th September 2007, 23:28

    lets think
    
    turbo £100
    downpipe and mani adaptor £30
    modded sump £free
    Intercooler £80
    Boost pipes £100
    Various extra samco, oil hoses, vac lines £50
    Dastek and turbo map controller £110
    VTS injectors £30
    Mapping £250
    2bar map sensor £40
    Dumpvalve £20
    Oil and Spark Plugs £30
    decompression plate and sealant £130
    new battery £30
    
    comes to £980 but I am pretty sure there are odds and sods I have missed, call it less than 1500 to be on the safe side, but defo no more, worked this out a few weeks back and was amazed I didnt spend more
40. FinchysSaxo Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Buckinghamshire Posts: 2087 Megane F1 R26 Liquid Yellow

    #40 20th September 2007, 23:47

    v impressive makes me want to turbo my furio lol