Whats better 35mm or 50mm

1. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

   #1 12th May 2015, 14:18

   Thinking about getting the apex suspension kit but wondering witch one would be better for handling gain? 35mm drop or 50mm drop?
   
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2. Milney8989 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2015 Rayleigh Posts: 328 Saxo vts x2 Vauxhall Astra Ford mondeo workhorse

   #2 12th May 2015, 14:20

   35 mm would be better for track handling. 50 mm for looks.
3. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

   #3 12th May 2015, 14:35

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   Originally Posted by Milney8989 35 mm would be better for track handling. 50 mm for looks.

   Alright cheers is the apex kit any good as well?
4. Steve_GTI L-plater Joined: Dec 2012 Kent Posts: 45 106 gti itb, saxo vtr

   #4 12th May 2015, 15:16

   Is that just springs or coilovers?
5. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

   #5 12th May 2015, 15:51

   It's these here
   
   
   
   
   
   
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6. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

   #6 12th May 2015, 15:52

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   Originally Posted by Steve_GTI Is that just springs or coilovers?

   
   
   
   
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7. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

   #7 12th May 2015, 16:09

   Speak to KAM Racing. Kev there will see you right.
8. Milney8989 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2015 Rayleigh Posts: 328 Saxo vts x2 Vauxhall Astra Ford mondeo workhorse

   #8 12th May 2015, 16:30

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   Originally Posted by iwalkerz Alright cheers is the apex kit any good as well?

   All depends on budget and what you are using it for.
   I widnt use apex personally.
   I've got eibach springs and bilstein b8 dampers all around and wouldn't change it at All truly is a great setup and one that kam racing would recommend
9. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

   #9 12th May 2015, 16:55

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   Originally Posted by Ross Speak to KAM Racing. Kev there will see you right.

   
   He on here or anything?
   
   
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10. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

    #10 12th May 2015, 16:56

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    Originally Posted by Milney8989 All depends on budget and what you are using it for. I widnt use apex personally. I've got eibach springs and bilstein b8 dampers all around and wouldn't change it at All truly is a great setup and one that kam racing would recommend

    
    
    My dad ran him on his vts and said they was good so just wondering and wanting it for a track/daily and got a link to you set up? And budget don't really matter tbh mate 😂
    
    
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11. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #11 12th May 2015, 17:13

    If you want to keep the handling as good as possible with minimal bump steer then the 25mm drop will be best (the kit won't lower your car 35mm)
    
    On the vtr and vts I think the Eibach's lower about 40mm on the sports models but it's a very good high quality spring and with the Bilstein b8 is one of the best combinations available.

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12. Milney8989 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2015 Rayleigh Posts: 328 Saxo vts x2 Vauxhall Astra Ford mondeo workhorse

    #12 12th May 2015, 18:26

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    Originally Posted by iwalkerz My dad ran him on his vts and said they was good so just wondering and wanting it for a track/daily and got a link to you set up? And budget don't really matter tbh mate 😂 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    If budget is no worry. Go for the setup I described mate it is brilliant you won't be disappointed! Yeah kam racing is kam mate he has spoken on this threAd so give him a shout And he will sort you out?
13. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

    #13 12th May 2015, 22:07

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    Originally Posted by KamRacing If you want to keep the handling as good as possible with minimal bump steer then the 25mm drop will be best (the kit won't lower your car 35mm) On the vtr and vts I think the Eibach's lower about 40mm on the sports models but it's a very good high quality spring and with the Bilstein b8 is one of the best combinations available.

    
    Got any links to em?
    
    
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14. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

    #14 12th May 2015, 22:07

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    Originally Posted by Milney8989 If budget is no worry. Go for the setup I described mate it is brilliant you won't be disappointed! Yeah kam racing is kam mate he has spoken on this threAd so give him a shout And he will sort you out?

    
    Have done cheers!
    
    
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15. Milney8989 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2015 Rayleigh Posts: 328 Saxo vts x2 Vauxhall Astra Ford mondeo workhorse

    #15 12th May 2015, 22:09

    Good glad to help you out. What setup you going for?
16. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

    #16 12th May 2015, 22:18

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    Originally Posted by KamRacing If you want to keep the handling as good as possible with minimal bump steer then the 25mm drop will be best (the kit won't lower your car 35mm) On the vtr and vts I think the Eibach's lower about 40mm on the sports models but it's a very good high quality spring and with the Bilstein b8 is one of the best combinations available.

    
    Is this the full set I'll need? But witch dampers are better firm or not? Don't care about ride quality just need best handling I can get
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
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17. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

    #17 12th May 2015, 22:19

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    Originally Posted by Milney8989 Good glad to help you out. What setup you going for?

    
    Just posted pictures below if that's the set up kem is on about? Not even got Saxo yet picking it up Friday n already looking at what to get for it 😂
    
    
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18. Milney8989 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2015 Rayleigh Posts: 328 Saxo vts x2 Vauxhall Astra Ford mondeo workhorse

    #18 12th May 2015, 22:28

    I've got the normal b8 setup! I didn't go with the firm rears as I still use mine on road aswell as track so didn't want it really rigid. But it's up to you what ones you go for.
19. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

    #19 12th May 2015, 22:30

    Or what about these kits are they any good? And as well is the kam racing exhaust system any good thinking of that as well
    
    
    
    
    
    
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20. Milney8989 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2015 Rayleigh Posts: 328 Saxo vts x2 Vauxhall Astra Ford mondeo workhorse

    #20 12th May 2015, 22:30

    My eibach springs are the red ones which are eibach sport line they say they are 50mm drop but mine is bang on 40mm
21. Milney8989 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2015 Rayleigh Posts: 328 Saxo vts x2 Vauxhall Astra Ford mondeo workhorse

    #21 12th May 2015, 22:32

    Any of them kits will be great. Mine is the first setup of the two kits
22. Milney8989 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2015 Rayleigh Posts: 328 Saxo vts x2 Vauxhall Astra Ford mondeo workhorse

    #22 12th May 2015, 22:33

    Kam racing is one of the best exhausts to get. Either kam exhaust, super sprint, piper or saxsport systems are all good.
23. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

    #23 12th May 2015, 22:39

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    Originally Posted by Milney8989 My eibach springs are the red ones which are eibach sport line they say they are 50mm drop but mine is bang on 40mm

    
    So is that top set up good then? And think I'll get kam racing one then seems a good price cars going to be away till December anyways so all In good time I'll just save all links to these
    
    
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24. Milney8989 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2015 Rayleigh Posts: 328 Saxo vts x2 Vauxhall Astra Ford mondeo workhorse

    #24 12th May 2015, 22:43

    Yeah top set is good I have that exact same suspension kit and can't fault it had mine for around 4 years. Yeah go for it good exhaust system. I have a piper exhaust and a saxsport I will sell the piper as I love the raspy was of the saxsport
25. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

    #25 12th May 2015, 22:54

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    Originally Posted by Milney8989 Yeah top set is good I have that exact same suspension kit and can't fault it had mine for around 4 years. Yeah go for it good exhaust system. I have a piper exhaust and a saxsport I will sell the piper as I love the raspy was of the saxsport

    
    But it won't drop it 50mm it will drop it like 40mm? Might get that then works out cheaper and yeah plus while your helping me out witch I appreciate witch is a good break set up and wheel and tyre set up for it? Was looking at a full brembo break set up for it
    
    
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26. Milney8989 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2015 Rayleigh Posts: 328 Saxo vts x2 Vauxhall Astra Ford mondeo workhorse

    #26 12th May 2015, 23:00

    Yeah mine is bang on 40mm Looks nice. I'm running 206 gti 180 front calipers with a 306 gti6 master cylinder, and ap racing dot 5.1 brake fluid Can get that setup for under a 100 and they really do work well. I really rate uniroyal rain sport 3 tyres they are really good in both dry and wet conditions
27. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

    #27 12th May 2015, 23:02

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    Originally Posted by Milney8989 Yeah mine is bang on 40mm Looks nice. I'm running 206 gti 180 front calipers with a 306 gti6 master cylinder, and ap racing dot 5.1 brake fluid Can get that setup for under a 100 and they really do work well. I really rate rain sport 3 tyres they are really good in both dry and wet conditions

    
    Might get that set up then so them dampers are good that comes with it n how low does it look? And where you get them breaks from as well! And them tyres legal for road use? I was just thinkin toyo proxys tbh
    
    
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28. Milney8989 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2015 Rayleigh Posts: 328 Saxo vts x2 Vauxhall Astra Ford mondeo workhorse

    #28 12th May 2015, 23:07

    Yeah the dampers are the b8 ones you can't beat them unless you go coilovers or group n. It sits really nice I would take a pic for you but mine is a shell ATM. Lol. Can get the brakes off eBay. Or on here if someone is selling them! Yeah they are road legal tyres. I personally think toyo proxes are shit
29. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

    #29 13th May 2015, 00:10

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    Originally Posted by Milney8989 Yeah the dampers are the b8 ones you can't beat them unless you go coilovers or group n. It sits really nice I would take a pic for you but mine is a shell ATM. Lol. Can get the brakes off eBay. Or on here if someone is selling them! Yeah they are road legal tyres. I personally think toyo proxes are shit

    
    What's best like coilovers are they not really worth it? And brand new? And might look into them tyres then
    
    
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30. Milney8989 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2015 Rayleigh Posts: 328 Saxo vts x2 Vauxhall Astra Ford mondeo workhorse

    #30 13th May 2015, 07:22

    Talking something like a gaz setup or a decent named one got to be talking anything from say £550 upwards I believe.
31. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #31 13th May 2015, 08:34

    coilovers. good if you need to regularly adjust the height or balance of the car. For a road car, most people buy them, set them to one height and never change it so kind of pointless. Also useful for "lows".
    
    Eibach springs and b8's are the way to go - great balance between excellent suspension and cost.
32. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #32 13th May 2015, 09:04

    For road use if you can afford it fit Bilsteins. They are clever little dampers using what they call digressive valves to firm and soften the ride as needed. Go over lots of bumps and they soften to smooth the ride, go into a corner hot and they will be firm, controlling chassis lean. The Eibach Sportline is also a progressive spring with a soft initial rate and is firmer once compressed.
    
    Bilstein + Eibach suspension
33. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

    #33 13th May 2015, 09:30

    I'll get them then cheers for your help!
    
    
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34. Milney8989 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2015 Rayleigh Posts: 328 Saxo vts x2 Vauxhall Astra Ford mondeo workhorse

    #34 13th May 2015, 09:34

    All sorted fella?
35. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

    #35 13th May 2015, 10:01

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    Originally Posted by Milney8989 All sorted fella?

    
    Yeah mate going to sort a list out of all parts I'll be getting just need to find them breaks now
    
    
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36. mrrwill Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 234

    #36 3rd June 2015, 16:53

    A bit late, but I fitted the Apex 50mm kit from KAM Racing a couple of weeks ago and couldn't be happier. Was a lot cheaper than anywhere else, still comfy and corners a lot better than the oem setup.
37. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #37 3rd June 2015, 17:57

    The 50mm Apex kit is probably our most popular suspension kit for the Saxo.
38. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

    #38 3rd June 2015, 22:41

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    Originally Posted by mrrwill A bit late, but I fitted the Apex 50mm kit from KAM Racing a couple of weeks ago and couldn't be happier. Was a lot cheaper than anywhere else, still comfy and corners a lot better than the oem setup.

    
    Cheers got any pictures of how it drops car? Still deciding on what to get I am leaning towards apex since it's cheaper and heard good things about them
    
    
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39. mrrwill Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 234

    #39 4th June 2015, 21:29

    Ill put some up tomorrow night mate, looks a lot better.
40. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

    #40 4th June 2015, 22:20

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    Originally Posted by mrrwill Ill put some up tomorrow night mate, looks a lot better.

    
    Alright mate how does it handle?
    
    
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41. mrrwill Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 234

    #41 7th June 2015, 21:11

    Alright mate, sorry i ran out of data, pics will be up by tomorrow lunch. Handles amazing, had a first run in the dry today and it just grips. Its stiff, but not too bad over bumps... well worth the money. Can take bends a lot faster than i could
42. mrrwill Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 234

    #42 8th June 2015, 08:01

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    Originally Posted by iwalkerz Cheers got any pictures of how it drops car? Still deciding on what to get I am leaning towards apex since it's cheaper and heard good things about them Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    
    
    
    
    
    
    not the best pics they all i have but should give you an idea.
    
    Also take a look at this http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=141903.
43. iwalkerz L-plater Joined: May 2015 Sheffield Posts: 48 Saxo vtr 1.6 Corsa c (until end of year)

    #43 10th June 2015, 10:35

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    Originally Posted by mrrwill not the best pics they all i have but should give you an idea. Also take a look at this http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=141903.

    
    Looks good cheers!
    
    
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