Saxo Vts engine mounts

1. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

   #1 23rd January 2017, 20:10

   Seems my engine mounts keep going on my VTS. I assume this is somewhat common as is lowered also. Should I invest in some polyurethane mounts ? Hoping this will solve the issue.
2. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

   #2 23rd January 2017, 21:34

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Samuel Seems my engine mounts keep going on my VTS. I assume this is somewhat common as is lowered also. Should I invest in some polyurethane mounts ? Hoping this will solve the issue.

   Nope engine mounts shouldn't be affected by lowering no extra stress is put on them from lowering the car, mine was -60 and had no problems apart from the bolt snapping on the left hand top mount but that's a common problem.
   
   Polyurethane mounts will give you extra vibrations through the chassis and may not solve the issue.
   
   What make and price range are the mounts you have been fitting and what material are they made out of.
   
   The only upgrade in terms of engine mounts I would be happy to do would be to fit the full set of vibra-technics but even then you will get some vibrations over standard.
3. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #3 23rd January 2017, 22:16

   To the op has your car been in a crash?
4. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

   #4 24th January 2017, 13:11

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Bedford126 Nope engine mounts shouldn't be affected by lowering no extra stress is put on them from lowering the car, mine was -60 and had no problems apart from the bolt snapping on the left hand top mount but that's a common problem. Polyurethane mounts will give you extra vibrations through the chassis and may not solve the issue. What make and price range are the mounts you have been fitting and what material are they made out of. The only upgrade in terms of engine mounts I would be happy to do would be to fit the full set of vibra-technics but even then you will get some vibrations over standard.

   I'm not sure as the garage had been fitting. I think it is just the bolt that had been going but how to solve this ? Garage seemed to think a leak was contaminating the mount
5. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

   #5 24th January 2017, 13:11

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by stevo67 To the op has your car been in a crash?

   No it hasn't mate
6. user_98505 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2015 Posts: 269 106 Rallye

   #6 24th January 2017, 13:14

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by stevo67 To the op has your car been in a crash?

   What difference would this make? Mines been smashed and it eats engine mounts.
   
   On the topic of engine mounts, does anyone know where to get the metal insert that goes into the gearbox side (under the battery tray) mount?
7. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

   #7 24th January 2017, 13:42

   What im gonna do I think is order and get fitted three polyurethane mounts at same time and see if that solves the issue of it going
8. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

   #8 24th January 2017, 13:44

   Would a strut bar help maybe stabilise it too ?
9. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

   #9 24th January 2017, 15:43

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Bedford126 Nope engine mounts shouldn't be affected by lowering no extra stress is put on them from lowering the car, mine was -60 and had no problems apart from the bolt snapping on the left hand top mount but that's a common problem. Polyurethane mounts will give you extra vibrations through the chassis and may not solve the issue. What make and price range are the mounts you have been fitting and what material are they made out of. The only upgrade in terms of engine mounts I would be happy to do would be to fit the full set of vibra-technics but even then you will get some vibrations over standard.

   I personally think it's the bolt cracking / shearing constantly that causes the vibrations. But surely that's a sign of a insecure mount anyway and how else would you solve that except getting new mounts ?
10. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #10 24th January 2017, 15:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Samuel I personally think it's the bolt cracking / shearing constantly that causes the vibrations. But surely that's a sign of a insecure mount anyway and how else would you solve that except getting new mounts ?

    Nope could be anything from a cheap bolt to the engine misalignment causing excessive stress on the mount.
    
    A crash will also cause excessive wear on the mounts as they are always pre stressed from
    misalignment the mount has to be pre stressed to get it to fit.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Samuel Would a strut bar help maybe stabilise it too ?

    strut brace or a engine strut? A engine strut with a damper would help with engine movement but not going to solve the problem, will most likely just mask it.
11. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

    #11 24th January 2017, 16:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bedford126 Nope could be anything from a cheap bolt to the engine misalignment causing excessive stress on the mount. A crash will also cause excessive wear on the mounts as they are always pre stressed from misalignment the mount has to be pre stressed to get it to fit. strut brace or a engine strut? A engine strut with a damper would help with engine movement but not going to solve the problem, will most likely just mask it.

    Don't recall having a crash. This is what I'm looking at buying right now and fitting http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm?itemId=222320629063&kmsi=true
12. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #12 24th January 2017, 16:05

    They are very good mounts, but they do send a massive amount of vibration through the chassis.

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13. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

    #13 24th January 2017, 16:06

    Although the mechanic im using told me I should change all three mounts. I can never seem to get a clear answer out of mechanics , stresses me out.
14. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

    #14 24th January 2017, 16:07

    Will the vibration cause other issues ? Right now my main focus is just stop my mounts breaking every other month. Is there three mounts in that 179 pound set?
15. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

    #15 24th January 2017, 16:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bedford126 They are very good mounts, but they do send a massive amount of vibration through the chassis.

    It's worth a try at the least?. If it does solve the issue of mount bolt or mounts going would be great
16. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #16 24th January 2017, 16:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Synister What difference would this make? Mines been smashed and it eats engine mounts. On the topic of engine mounts, does anyone know where to get the metal insert that goes into the gearbox side (under the battery tray) mount?

    An out of alignment chassis,can put stress on components.
17. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

    #17 24th January 2017, 16:52

    My seat was clicking not long ago and it was to do with it needing re welding to the chassis. Could it be another sign of it not aligned properly ? How would you re align it ?
18. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

    #18 24th January 2017, 16:53

    That sounds like an incredibly experienced and expensive job ...
19. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #19 24th January 2017, 17:03

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    Originally Posted by Samuel My seat was clicking not long ago and it was to do with it needing re welding to the chassis. Could it be another sign of it not aligned properly ? How would you re align it ?

    Only the seat itself mate,they break at the mounting point & need re-welding.

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20. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

    #20 24th January 2017, 17:04

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    Originally Posted by stevo67 Only the seat itself mate,they break at the mounting point & need re-welding.

    Ah ok then. Well , I want to try these mounts I Linked. Do you think it may help solve the issue ? what's your thoughts
21. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #21 24th January 2017, 17:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Samuel Ah ok then. Well , I want to try these mounts I Linked. Do you think it may help solve the issue ? what's your thoughts

    No one can tell you if it will solve the issue we can only give advise. To me if your mount keeps going every couple of months there is something wrong elsewhere.
22. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

    #22 24th January 2017, 17:49

    Open to any other thoughts and suggestions before I purchase these mounts
23. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

    #23 24th January 2017, 17:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bedford126 No one can tell you if it will solve the issue we can only give advise. To me if your mount keeps going every couple of months there is something wrong elsewhere.

    Could it be my rear axel ? Garage also said that had large play in it and I should get a new rear axle fitted but purchase one online ?
24. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

    #24 24th January 2017, 17:52

    In the rear axle bearings *
25. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

    #25 24th January 2017, 18:02

    What's the real difference between my original linked mount, http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Citroen-Saxo....c100408.m2460
    
    this one and also
    
    http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Citroen-Saxo....c100408.m2460
    
    This.
    
    Aside from the obvious price difference.
26. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #26 24th January 2017, 18:38

    One is a single unit and the other is the full kit and bottom arm bushes too.
27. Samuel Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 510 MK2 VTS

    #27 24th January 2017, 19:51

    Thanks both for all your help today