torsion bars?

1. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

   #1 16th September 2006, 21:19

   does teh 306 GTi 6 fit the saxo!?
   
   or what is teh thickest you can get that will fit a saxo form a standard car!??
2. tel Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2006 west london United Kingdom (England) Posts: 387 mk2 saxo vt rep 1.1

   #2 16th September 2006, 21:24

   id also like to know this
3. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

   #3 16th September 2006, 21:25

   i would of thought the 306 would be wider so il guess no
4. Scottp Administrator Joined: Dec 2002 Glasgow United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 26097 Chelski Traktor

   #4 16th September 2006, 23:35

   to wide, not sure on thickest you can fit but you wouldnt need to go beyond 24mm
5. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

   #5 17th September 2006, 10:37

   you woudnt need to go beyond 21mm
6. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

   #6 18th September 2006, 18:48

   ok so the question now is wot car has 24 or 25mm bar standard so i can call scrappies for one...!
7. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

   #7 18th September 2006, 19:22

   are you on about arb's or torsion bars
8. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

   #8 18th September 2006, 19:23

   ok so the question now is wot car has 24 or 25mm bar standard so i can call scrappies for one...!
   
   your getting mixed up with ARBs and torsion bars there.
   
   if you go for thicker torsion bars you will need hardeer front springs and faster dampers aswell.
9. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

   #9 18th September 2006, 20:46

   im getting billies soon!
   
   i mean ARB i think! explain the difference please!! i want a stiff ass!! LMBO!!
10. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #10 18th September 2006, 20:50

    torsion bars act liek a spring working on the vertical foces.
    
    ARB stops therear of the car leaning into corners as much, a thicker ARB will also make the car turn-in to a corner quicker.
11. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #11 18th September 2006, 21:23

    so i want a 25mm ARB!? & a ??? torsion bar!?
12. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #12 18th September 2006, 21:24

    anti roll bar
13. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #13 18th September 2006, 21:25

    but you could also get thicker torsion bars, you would also need matched front springs.
14. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #14 18th September 2006, 22:23

    25mm arb is nearly 200 or like i think you meant to say you were after a 24mm arb of a gti or phase 2 rallye from the scrappy costing little.
15. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #15 19th September 2006, 08:27

    ALl had the same tickness torsion bars as standard. Torsion bars are 400quidish. Worth it? Fuck yeah
16. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #16 19th September 2006, 08:30

    25mm arb is nearly 200
    
    £130 delivered.
    
    dave - have what torsion bars are on yours?
17. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #17 19th September 2006, 08:33

    22mm, still pliant enough for road use. 23mm is the most I think pugsport do, though I've seen a stockihatch with 30mm custom bars, must be stiff as fuck
18. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #18 19th September 2006, 08:39

    30mm??? they may aswell of replaced the dampers with steel bars.
19. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #19 19th September 2006, 08:41

    Pretty much, actually, hasn't Zimsounds on the SSC just whelded his back end up to support an ICE install?
    
    30mm need to be tapered to fit into the sockets. For my money 22mm is fine, the back end will swing out quickly enough as is
20. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #20 19th September 2006, 08:44

    his car is just a show car or something i think though.
21. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #21 19th September 2006, 08:58

    yeah, it never gets driven
22. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #22 19th September 2006, 17:16

    so wot i need is a GTi or S2 ARB? what is the thickness of the standard VTR ARB!?? and wot thickness torsion bar?? i want it to stick like glue! Im purchasing gas filled billies for her also soon.
23. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #23 19th September 2006, 17:17

    some have 19.5mm some have 21mm, ARBS.
24. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #24 19th September 2006, 17:25

    ah i se so teh GTi 24mm is a great improvment already then!!
    
    any advise on a rear end set up using standard parts!?
    
    
    GTI ARB & what torsion bar is ideal to use??
25. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #25 19th September 2006, 17:32

    all the same, you will have to go aftermarket to get thickerr bars.
26. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #26 19th September 2006, 17:35

    yup, recon on about 400 notes for torsion bars, plus fitting
27. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #27 19th September 2006, 17:38

    or you could rob them of daves car if its back in th UK yet?
28. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #28 19th September 2006, 17:38

    its in germany. The plan is to get out there end of next week. I miss her soooooooooo much
29. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #29 19th September 2006, 17:47

    its still there lol harsh
30. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #30 19th September 2006, 17:48

    it will come back with blonde hair and hairy arm pits
31. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #31 19th September 2006, 17:49

    indeed, I miss it but that said its not getting any more miles on it while its there.
32. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #32 19th September 2006, 17:49

    Its already got them Its getting a massive wash, a new amp and loads of treats when it gets back
33. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #33 19th September 2006, 17:52

    a new amp??? you ICE whore!!!! lol
34. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

    #34 19th September 2006, 18:03

    Interesting thread as im overlooking my suspension setup at the moment also.
    
    Currently my car is on bilstein sprintline shocks with the ventura(SP) springs. 40mm all round.
    
    Im planning to get a 21mm torsion bar, the ARB should be fine im guessing as its a standard GTi one?
    
    My problem is the front suspension is sounding really bad over bad bumps in the road, is sounds like its hitting the bumper stops! Is there anyway around this at all? Possibly more stiff front springs? Any info would be much appreciated!
35. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #35 19th September 2006, 18:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CampDavid yup, recon on about 400 notes for torsion bars, plus fitting

    i dont pay for fitting!
36. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #36 19th September 2006, 18:15

    rushy what poundage are your springs? youll prob wanna stiffen them up with upgrading your torsion bar anyway.
37. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

    #37 19th September 2006, 21:40

    Not 100% sure mate as i just got them with the package (bilsteins come with the ventura springs)
    
    If the bumps in the road sound so bad does that possibly suggest the springs are not stiff enough when working with the stiffer springs?
38. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #38 20th September 2006, 08:31

    the springs that come in the kit are weedy as fuck, best to sack them off for a set of customs
39. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #39 20th September 2006, 08:31

    180lb springs with 21mm bars do a good combo make I'm told
40. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #40 20th September 2006, 08:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts a new amp??? you ICE whore!!!! lol

    Plan has always been to create the best daily driver so some ICE improvement was necisary. It appears that my original speaker look is fucked so if I'm ripping that out I may as well uprate the amp
41. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

    #41 20th September 2006, 08:34

    Just a few questions mate.
    
    Would that be a good setup combined with bilstein sprintline shocks also?
    
    Where abouts can you get custom ones from?
    
    Can you get that same poundage (180lbs) at 40mm or does it have to be of certain ride height?
42. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #42 20th September 2006, 09:08

    Falkner springs are the place for customs, 30mm would be ideal but I think 40mm would be doable, torsion bars are pug sport in france. May be able ot hunt some out on ebay/used rally car parts websites
43. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #43 20th September 2006, 16:15

    So wot ppl are pritty much agreed on is that a GTi ARB & 180lb springs with billies is a good set up!??
44. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #44 20th September 2006, 16:16

    Yes, its not bad
45. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #45 20th September 2006, 17:31

    ill be havin it then! LOL
    
    Next question 180lbs springs... where from & est ££ i got Gmax at the mo... poo!!