C2 VTS engine

1. Ryzo Newbie Joined: May 2004 Perth Posts: 16 Saxo VTS, full cage, stripped, hand built engine r

   #1 16th October 2006, 18:19

   Hi folks
   
   I'm thinking of putting a C2 VTS engine in my saxo VTR, coz i can get it at a good price. just wondering if anybody has had a go at this and if they think it would be a better choice than going for a saxo VTS engine conversion
2. jclaydon Established Member Joined: Mar 2005 Peterborough, United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1255 zetec s

   #2 16th October 2006, 18:20

   its more powerful if only marginal, and if its available for a good price, it seems sensible. not sure about it fitting though... Sure someone will be able to help you.
3. Scottp Administrator Joined: Dec 2002 Glasgow United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 26097 Chelski Traktor

   #3 16th October 2006, 18:28

   need a saxo vts ecu loom and throttle body or it wont work
4. Ryzo Newbie Joined: May 2004 Perth Posts: 16 Saxo VTS, full cage, stripped, hand built engine r

   #4 16th October 2006, 18:31

   I've got myself a spare wiring loom for a saxo VTS but not a throttle body. think i might have to fabricte some brackets for engine mounts. cheers for the info
5. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

   #5 16th October 2006, 20:30

   vts mounts will fit.
6. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

   #6 16th October 2006, 22:33

   saxo inlet doesn't just bolt on either, you have to re-drill and tap new holes to get it to fit. vts mounts are fine also. the main benefit is the c2 head has bigger valves which is always handy if you plan to take the tuning further.
7. mrtuck16v Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 373 Carbon'd Vts Pulsar GTI-R

   #7 16th October 2006, 23:38

   it has bigger valves but you can run a wild cam in them. As mr falcus has found out. Just get a saxo vts engine.
8. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #8 17th October 2006, 00:14

   saxo engine.
   
   c2 engines are a cunt to get running correctly and run mental cams in.
   
   if you must, run a c2 head on a saxo bottom end, but you will need the postons being pocketed etc....
9. VTS_16v_Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500

   #9 17th October 2006, 10:54

   Rite here you go, here is a scan out of performance GTI mag (Great mag IMO) from about a year ago, this show'd a group thrash between a handful of 106's, 5GTT's and Saxo's including this one which is runnin a C2 big valve head on a Saxo VTS block along with an impressive list of other bits and bobs.
   
   Quick lookin car by the times it posted, check out the cage as well, nice
   
   
   
   go on rep me . . . I dare you
10. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #10 17th October 2006, 11:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VTS_16v_Boy Rite here you go, here is a scan out of performance GTI mag (Great mag IMO) from about a year ago, this show'd a group thrash between a handful of 106's, 5GTT's and Saxo's including this one which is runnin a C2 big valve head on a Saxo VTS block along with an impressive list of other bits and bobs. Quick lookin car by the times it posted, check out the cage as well, nice go on rep me . . . I dare you

    Donson's car is a bit of a special one though, that engine was from longman's and brand new. Cost? Loads. Fantastic though
11. leeds106 Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1108 16v Citroen AX

    #11 17th October 2006, 11:06

    yeah bigger vales blah blah better for future tunning if ya gonna do any
    
    
    hope that 1/4 time was done in the wet as in pics or its rather shocking to be fair for the work thats been done to that saxo
12. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #12 17th October 2006, 11:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeds106 yeah bigger vales blah blah better for future tunning if ya gonna do any hope that 1/4 time was done in the wet as in pics or its rather shocking to be fair for the work thats been done to that saxo

    Yes, it does mid 14s, maybe a touch lower in the dry
13. VTS_16v_Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500

    #13 17th October 2006, 11:46

    The whole event/day was very wet, when you read it. Most of the cars had trouble layin down traction. But impressive stuff non the less. Very impressed
14. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #14 17th October 2006, 23:00

    just a shame dodson has shite suspension and drives like agirl lol!!!
    
    that engine is as said a custom built engine from longmans. PP charge IRC around 5.5-6k for it fitted.
15. stiffler69 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289

    #15 17th October 2006, 23:12

    the 0-60 seems a bit low aswell surely its faster than stated
16. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #16 17th October 2006, 23:21

    
    those times dont look very good a standard vts does 0-60 in 7.7
17. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #17 18th October 2006, 00:26

    are you all stupid??? look its fucking soaking!!!
    
    have you tried laying on 120bhp in the wet.... no traction
    
    imagine that with even more power and torque!
18. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #18 18th October 2006, 08:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 are you all stupid??? look its fucking soaking!!! have you tried laying on 120bhp in the wet.... no traction imagine that with even more power and torque!

    Its not like its stated in two posts above Ryan, jeeez, give people a break eh (rep)
19. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #19 18th October 2006, 08:49

    interesting thread.... the mounting for engines in the C2 are the same as the HDI's
    
    ummmmmmmmmm
20. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #20 19th October 2006, 21:22

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CampDavid Its not like its stated in two posts above Ryan, jeeez, give people a break eh (rep)

    
    thats why i said it. people had commented on how wet it was, and they still said its slow etc.....