ECU

21st October 2006, 15:12

to help me find out if i have a 90 bhp or 98 bhp will someone take a photo or describe what these 3 plugs look like please..... as i am thick and don't know!

21st October 2006, 15:21

21st October 2006, 15:22

What reg is your car?

21st October 2006, 15:25

x reg.... but people saying some x's have the 90 some have the 98

21st October 2006, 15:25

one post said only up to w reg is the 90bhp...
Just calculated my mpg getting around 38 with a canny bit of the old foot glued to the floor!

21st October 2006, 15:30

That a single plug ECU (its like a scart lead connection) a three plug will have three indicidual leads going into it.

If it doesn't look like that you have a 3 plug.

21st October 2006, 15:31

al go take a picture show off my dirty bay! brb

21st October 2006, 15:34

off topic but quickly reccommend me a free image hosting site! photos took!

21st October 2006, 15:35

yours is the 98bhp m8

V reg was the last 90 bhp saxos,

21st October 2006, 15:35

imageshack.us

21st October 2006, 15:40

if the cat is on the downpipe its 98
under car 90.

2000 was the last made single plug ecu for vtr.

v reg was not the last.

I have a W plate single plug, and a chrissaxo had an X plate which IRC was that to.

21st October 2006, 15:42

this is us

21st October 2006, 15:42

p.s how long is that photo on imageshack for? didnt have to register or out just said welcome saxperience user!

21st October 2006, 15:44

Its 98bhp

21st October 2006, 15:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh_Phipps

yours is the 98bhp m8

V reg was the last 90 bhp saxos,

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21st October 2006, 15:45

looks 90bhp cant see the cat in the manifold, however go take the plastic cover off the ecu so we can see the plug(s)

21st October 2006, 15:45

remove the cover for the ecu so we can see it

Altho looks single plug, inlet looks 90bhp and so does the oil dip stick position.

you have 90bhp and single plug IMO

21st October 2006, 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh_Phipps

Originally Posted by Josh_Phipps
yours is the 98bhp m8

V reg was the last 90 bhp saxos,
..........................

WRONG!......

21st October 2006, 15:47

Quote:

remove the cover for the ecu so we can see it

Its going well

21st October 2006, 15:48

pic of a W plate.

21st October 2006, 15:48

ecu box the little black box on the right of the engine bay i? clueless me

21st October 2006, 15:49

cat is under the car, and oil level stick id to the side of the manifold.

21st October 2006, 15:52

M8 get a pic of the ecu

21st October 2006, 15:53

this is us... again

21st October 2006, 15:53

thats the fuse box, eco on the left hand side of the car as your looking at it

21st October 2006, 15:53

that is what you wanted yeah?

21st October 2006, 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevey

that is what you wanted yeah?

no would be the answer! tell me where it is lol

21st October 2006, 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevey

this is us... again

lovely looking fuse box though!

21st October 2006, 15:55

its the box by the side of the engine. its a plastic cover that just pops off...

has a kind of cross pattern on the plastic.

21st October 2006, 15:56

ok al go back down stairs again... dads asking wtf am doing haha brb

21st October 2006, 15:57

21st October 2006, 15:58

Here's a pic of my 3 plug

21st October 2006, 16:01

I thought x - was a 98bhp setup

21st October 2006, 16:01

and again! 4lbs lighter and out of breath! is this it?

21st October 2006, 16:02

if its been sat around under registered you could get an 04 mk1 90bhp

21st October 2006, 16:02

bollocks do i need to run down and unplug it? what will happen if i unplug the sod?

21st October 2006, 16:02

90 bhp, single plug

21st October 2006, 16:02

http://public.fotki.com/NewboyVtr/my...hoto-0061.html

pic of 98bhp engine!!

told you that V was not the last

21st October 2006, 16:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevey

bollocks do i need to run down and unplug it? what will happen if i unplug the sod?

no its a single plug, 90bhp

21st October 2006, 16:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott

if its been sat around under registered you could get an 04 mk1 90bhp

Ahh theres a thought

21st October 2006, 16:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott

no its a single plug, 90bhp

ahh bastard don't know whether to cry or what.... thanks for the help!

21st October 2006, 16:04

We got there in the end.

21st October 2006, 16:05

anybody want to buy a gold saxo then?

21st October 2006, 16:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevey

ahh bastard don't know whether to cry or what.... thanks for the help!

you may have less bhp, 8! but IMO single plug ecu set ups people have less problems with, especially if they are modding, thinking about an engine conversion etc......

21st October 2006, 16:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

you may have less bhp, 8! but IMO single plug ecu set ups people have less problems with, especially if they are modding, thinking about an engine conversion etc......

do you not get better mpg out of the 98bhp? am getting 38ish at the moment with a lot of floot to flooring.... then choking it no more than 2k revs sometimes lol

21st October 2006, 16:09

My mpg is F**king terrible on my 90bhp saxo, might just be my car though

21st October 2006, 16:09

fcuk this am going for a drive! well pissed! didnt do enough research before i bought the car! needs new radiator aswel... piece of shit!

21st October 2006, 16:11

and got to pay more tax! £175 or if i had waited 5 month would be £125....

21st October 2006, 16:12

What the weather like mate? Is it raining?

21st October 2006, 16:13

nope was... might of had some oversteer fun!

21st October 2006, 16:14

Its not all bad then.

21st October 2006, 16:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevey

nope was... might of had some oversteer fun!

so you plan to wrap it round a tree soon then?

21st October 2006, 16:17

sell it!

21st October 2006, 16:17

i got 450 a tank out of my old vtr, best was 472 miles. I have yet to here of any 98bhp one doing anything near that

21st October 2006, 16:20

What could be the causes of my petrol consumption being so terrible?

21st October 2006, 16:21

funked lambda sensor maybe, causing car to use limp home which basically chucks loads of fuel into the engine to keep it cool and not melt the pistons because the ecu has no idea whats going on within the engine

21st October 2006, 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevey

sell it!

your going to sell it because its 8bhp (that no one really ever notices anyway) down on what you thought it was

mate you need your head looking at

21st October 2006, 16:23

it was a joke lol

21st October 2006, 16:24

am only keeping it 10 months anyway i think then see what insurance is like on a vts....

21st October 2006, 16:42

although i have a 90bhp is it easier to de-cat?

21st October 2006, 16:44

yes its alot easyer to de cat.

21st October 2006, 16:44

yeah it is because you dont have to change the manifold you just take the cat pipe out and put a normal piece of pipe where the cat was

21st October 2006, 16:45

sweet suppose there is a bonus to this... i have stopped crying now lol

21st October 2006, 16:46

yea a hell of alot easier, means you dont have to change the manifold for mot time

21st October 2006, 16:47

sweet... do you see lot of difference from de-catin? lets get this mod done! recommend me a de-cat pipe... cheap obviously!

21st October 2006, 16:49

Magnex de-cat pipe about £55... When i fitted mine its not a massive difference but i felt my car rev'd free-er also sounded alot nicer

21st October 2006, 16:51

ive got a great de cat...

£600 worth

called a BTB

21st October 2006, 16:53

Lol BTB is the way forward

21st October 2006, 16:53

does the car just need jacking up then take the cat out? put taht pipe in place? what's the best diameter? and does the mid silencer stay there?

21st October 2006, 16:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh_Phipps

Lol BTB is the way forward

hence why i own 2

21st October 2006, 16:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevey

does the car just need jacking up then take the cat out? put taht pipe in place? what's the best diameter? and does the mid silencer stay there?

id recommend getting the expansion chamber one from magnex, think it was for the 106xsi, as you need a front box IMO on a NA tuned car.

and yes it will keep the mid box.

21st October 2006, 17:04

Yes the De-cat will just drop out, ive made a little diagram for you below lol as i was bored... That should explain all

The second clamp is an O clamp, The first clamp being 2 springs.... Loosen both clamps and the cat will fall out. Replace with de-cat, tighten springs off you go

21st October 2006, 17:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh_Phipps

Yes the De-cat will just drop out, ive made a little diagram for you below lol as i was bored... That should explain all

The second clamp is an O clamp, The first clamp being 2 springs.... Loosen both clamps and the cat will fall out. Replace with de-cat, tighten springs off you go

thank you very much for that! rep given for effort! recommend me a cheap pipe! want perfromance all the way! suppose a good sound aswel

21st October 2006, 17:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevey

thank you very much for that! rep given for effort! recommend me a cheap pipe! want perfromance all the way! suppose a good sound aswel

as i said try and find the magnex with the silencer.

it A : helps performance (im not going to explain)
and B: looks better if the police check under the car.

21st October 2006, 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

as i said try and find the magnex with the silencer.

it A : helps performance (im not going to explain)
and B: looks better if the police check under the car.

okie dokie... or i might get a fully system! when it had its mot there is a "minor leak of exhaust gases at the front of the system"
and the pipe after teh mid silencer before the exhaust looks though its about to go as very rusty on the bends!

21st October 2006, 17:23

a full system is usually cat back!

21st October 2006, 17:24

only a few are manifold back, if you use a system for a manifold (cat) 98bhp car you can de cat, but will not be able to get through an mot without changing the whole system,

21st October 2006, 17:26

so you think i should get cat-back system? not worth getting a 4 -1 manifold?

21st October 2006, 17:30

Yea m8 you should get a cat back system, Alot of people he would recomend you get a magnex system but as i dont have any experience with them i can really advise you that way... i personally recomend custom. You will proberly pay £50 more but in my opinion worth it, ive got a custom and have no regrets + m8 the cat is a piece of piss to replace when it comes to mot so dont be shy to stick a de-cat in

21st October 2006, 17:33

al do some pricing! try ebay right now go go go... jesus been on sax-p for 2 and a half hours lol

21st October 2006, 17:34

Lol and this thread has dragged on for 4 PAGES!

21st October 2006, 17:37

5 pages and its totally off topic now haha
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CITROEN-SAXO-S...em270040302720

that any good is that all the way back to the backbox?

21st October 2006, 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh_Phipps

Yea m8 you should get a cat back system, Alot of people he would recomend you get a magnex system but as i dont have any experience with them i can really advise you that way... i personally recomend custom. You will proberly pay £50 more but in my opinion worth it, ive got a custom and have no regrets + m8 the cat is a piece of piss to replace when it comes to mot so dont be shy to stick a de-cat in

quite the opposite id never go custom. they are usually shite work, are not the correct pipe diameter etc.... do they ever run a custom on a dyno>>>?? no..

only for of custom exhaust id do is btb, H engeneering etc... your looking for little change from £1400 custom there.

magnex are good for the money.

21st October 2006, 17:38

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SAXO-1-4-VTR-S...em270042451360

or is that any good?

21st October 2006, 17:39

if you use the supersprint you will have to change the exhaust for mot

21st October 2006, 17:39

plus ebay isnt the best place to look IMO

21st October 2006, 17:40

Whats wrong with custopm m8, I need reasons , Ive got custom and cannot fault it, Its made to how i want it, how loud i want it, how i want it too look... Ive had Peco, Ashley, Powerflow and so far Powerflow is the best, i felt no decrease in performance.. Not that a Cat back system actually gives you any increase in the first place..

21st October 2006, 17:41

or this lol

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Citroen-Saxo-M...em110045337514

21st October 2006, 17:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

plus ebay isnt the best place to look IMO

just browsing ebay first you know any sites for de cats?

21st October 2006, 17:44

as i stated, about the bores...

pooerflow, seen nothing but faults in the system, cheap steel etc....

hence why i have a btb plus a different manifold (hopefully one from simpson funds permitting)

different pipe diameters plus restrictions will change the performance of the car etc... especially the front box!

custom is for show queens!

21st October 2006, 17:44

what about this lovely piece of pipe?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAGNEX-XCRPC01...em170041142064

21st October 2006, 17:44

This is what i have, Cant fault it

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SAXO-VTR-VTS-1...QQcmdZViewItem

21st October 2006, 17:45

and peco and ashely are wank!

if you had a decent system to begin with you would be able to tell!

21st October 2006, 17:45

I only use a backbox from powerflow, Whats the run down off your car, mods wise?

21st October 2006, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

as i stated, about the bores...

pooerflow, seen nothing but faults in the system, cheap steel etc....

hence why i have a btb plus a different manifold (hopefully one from simpson funds permitting)

different pipe diameters plus restrictions will change the performance of the car etc... especially the front box!

custom is for show queens!

helpful guy cant rep you got to spread the joy it said before i can!

21st October 2006, 17:46

YOU NEED THE FRONT BOX ON A NA CAR!!!

the first box is the most important part of the system, for performance, just putting a pipe in is not allways the best idea! hence why ive said get one which is a box not a pipe.

21st October 2006, 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevey

what about this lovely piece of pipe?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAGNEX-XCRPC01...em170041142064

is that not what you have josh_philips

21st October 2006, 17:48

which car?

2 have btbs
a vtr with just btb and a procomp

and
a 16 on 40mm tbs with cup cams, 4-2-1 manifold, s1 rallye gearbox and btb etc...

21st October 2006, 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

YOU NEED THE FRONT BOX ON A NA CAR!!!

the first box is the most important part of the system, for performance, just putting a pipe in is not allways the best idea! hence why ive said get one which is a box not a pipe.

just browsing... you got any links

21st October 2006, 17:48

Stevey i dont think Itsafastworld knows what hes on about when it comes to custom systems.. What the hell are you going on about different bore size, they just make it fit your middle pipe, tehy dont mess around with it mate... have you actually had a custom system or you just going by what a few people have said to you?

21st October 2006, 17:49

The VTR with just a BTB and pro comp seems a bit of waste/ Ive been told you need big specs to make a BTB worth while

21st October 2006, 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh_Phipps

Stevey i dont think Itsafastworld knows what hes on about when it comes to custom systems.. What the hell are you going on about different bore size, they just make it fit your middle pipe, tehy dont mess around with it mate... have you actually had a custom system or you just going by what a few people have said to you?

my point exactly just made to fit your middle pipe!

you do realise that different bores give different gains in performance, which is why most turbo cars run 2.5 bore at least. usually 3"

I had a powerflow on my track car when i bought it, needless to say it was removed soon!

just making it fit a std saxo center pipe is not a full system is it?? its just a backbox welded on!

also a firend has a pooerflow on a 180bhp saxo on tbs!! ive seen the quality of the work (or lack of it) and he/ the company who installed it also comment on how bad it is, and how its restricting his engine!

21st October 2006, 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh_Phipps

The VTR with just a BTB and pro comp seems a bit of waste/ Ive been told you need big specs to make a BTB worth while

i was planning on charging the vtr.
as you know how rare a btb is to get hold of i got it when i saw it cheap!

and a BTB is probably overbored for a std vtr!

it has improved fuel economy tho lol

21st October 2006, 17:55

build quality wise id also say its worth it

21st October 2006, 17:57

ignore this

21st October 2006, 17:59

same reason as to why a 4-1 manifold will have different gains to a 4-1 etc...

the breathing system on a car is not just a case of whacking on anything and expecting it to all do the same job LOL

21st October 2006, 17:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

my point exactly just made to fit your middle pipe!

you do realise that different bores give different gains in performance, which is why most turbo cars run 2.5 bore at least. usually 3"

I had a powerflow on my track car when i bought it, needless to say it was removed soon!

just making it fit a std saxo center pipe is not a full system is it?? its just a backbox welded on!

also a firend has a pooerflow on a 180bhp saxo on tbs!! ive seen the quality of the work (or lack of it) and he/ the company who installed it also comment on how bad it is, and how its restricting his engine!

Yea he obv went to a bad Powerflow dealership as there are many around.. A btb to my knowledge is a 3" bore thats why there best suited to turbo and supercharged cars and seem a waste for poor spec saxos tbh, but if you found one going cheap then fair play, i also do know that they are becoming rarer..

Also It isnt a standard centre pipe
Pro-tech 4-2-1 Manifold
Magnex De-Cat
Ashley Center Pipe
Powerflow Backbox
Green Forced Air Induction Kit

I also have smaller mods like Ported n Polished T/B,

Im not going to fight with you m8 as your intitled to your own opinion and i respect that but alot of people on here find custom exhausts very good and im one of them, again my opinion, Ofc as i own one im not really gonig to slate it, i will stick up for it

21st October 2006, 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh_Phipps

Stevey i dont think Itsafastworld knows what hes on about when it comes to custom systems.. What the hell are you going on about different bore size, they just make it fit your middle pipe, tehy dont mess around with it mate... have you actually had a custom system or you just going by what a few people have said to you?

custom does nothing for you performancewise mate i've had the misfortune of a powerflow exhaust and it was shite the quality of the stainless was shit and the quality of the workmanship on it was even worse,like itsafastworld said custom exhausts are for show queens

they feed you all this bullshit about it been built for you etc and its a load of shit the only type of custom exhast i'd go for is something down the lines of a btb where it is tried and tested and has proven gains

21st October 2006, 18:00

EDIT: I have shite fuel consumption lol.... No idea why either

21st October 2006, 18:01

some interesting points much appriciated!

21st October 2006, 18:02

Omg SteVTR i didnt say it gave me performance i said i didnt feel no performance decrease... Ive got a good Topgear dealership near me and until something goes wrong with my backbox i cannot fault it, does that sound fair?

21st October 2006, 18:03

recommend me a de-cat with a front box please

i admit i know fuck all... this is all interesting! started from me wanting to know if i had a 90bhp lol

21st October 2006, 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh_Phipps

Yea he obv went to a bad Powerflow dealership as there are many around.. A btb to my knowledge is a 3" bore thats why there best suited to turbo and supercharged cars and seem a waste for poor spec saxos tbh, but if you found one going cheap then fair play, i also do know that they are becoming rarer..

Also It isnt a standard centre pipe
Pro-tech 4-2-1 Manifold
Magnex De-Cat
Ashley Center Pipe
Powerflow Backbox
Green Forced Air Induction Kit

I also have smaller mods like Ported n Polished T/B,

Im not going to fight with you m8 as your intitled to your own opinion and i respect that but alot of people on here find custom exhausts very good and im one of them, again my opinion, Ofc as i own one im not really gonig to slate it, i will stick up for it

youve proved your wrong again, 1stly over the v plate being the last 90bhp model and now the btb! go on gmc and find out what the bore is! its not 3"

and the de cat is just a standard pipe being put in. there is no silncer box in the link is there???

your saying custom exhausts are good for what??

im stating that most will not be good for performance etc..

21st October 2006, 18:03

I aint got no front box lol, but i spose me saying this will give Itsafastworld something else to slate me about.

21st October 2006, 18:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteVTR

custom does nothing for you performancewise mate i've had the misfortune of a powerflow exhaust and it was shite the quality of the stainless was shit and the quality of the workmanship on it was even worse,like itsafastworld said custom exhausts are for show queens

they feed you all this bullshit about it been built for you etc and its a load of shit the only type of custom exhast i'd go for is something down the lines of a btb where it is tried and tested and has proven gains

thankyou someone who knows what they are talking about!

21st October 2006, 18:06

only i maker i know of does a decat pipe with a box init ,as it should have ,as the first box postion is the most important thing as far as tuning the system is concerned, and that maker is discontinuig it ,why cos at £90 ,no one wants one when they can buy a decat at £45-50

a comment there from john of gmc motorsport about the front box.

21st October 2006, 18:06

SteVTR i know what your saying about the BTB and for the money you spend out you would expect gains, but some people cant justify spend £600 on a exhaust

21st October 2006, 18:06

as i said before i think its a magnex for the 106xsi which has the expansion chamber, or maybe mongoose did one to. theyre not cheap tho.

21st October 2006, 18:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

as i said before i think its a magnex for the 106xsi which has the expansion chamber, or maybe mongoose did one to. theyre not cheap tho.

cheers

21st October 2006, 18:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh_Phipps

SteVTR i know what your saying about the BTB and for the money you spend out you would expect gains, but some people cant justify spend £600 on a exhaust

and for the money people waste getting a custom exhaust you could get a piper or magnex which both have better build quality than a powerflow, most powerflow backboxes and systems i've seen arent even stainless steel all the way through which make them even worse for the money they charge

if your happy with your custom exhaust then fairplay mate i know i'd rather have a well built exhaust that wont cause me any problems and that when fitted with other performance mods will help rather than hinder performance thats why i'm agreeing custom exhausts arent the best