1.8 Vts

1. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

   #1 13th November 2006, 22:24

   Right... I have hear of some of these infamous engines knocking about, basically a VTS with custom internals and a stroker kit to bore the CC out to 1.8. Does anybody know much about them?... i.e. reliability, power output, cost (expensive though as the crank is about £1k plus tax but what about the rest?) etc... anybody ever done this and turbo'd it?.... any knowlege you have no matter how small would be useful
2. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

   #2 13th November 2006, 22:26

   Where did you dig this one from?
3. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

   #3 13th November 2006, 22:29

   Its just heresay at the mo... but I know they exist!... just nobody realy seems to know alot about them as they probably don't last long.... its very expensive to do but is always possible to go up a few cc with custom internals
4. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

   #4 13th November 2006, 22:33

   someone on here spoke to John at gmc about a stroker kit, can't for the life of me remember who is was though. maybe try gmc?
5. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

   #5 13th November 2006, 22:35

   I'm not doing it (I don't think) I'd just like to know more about it... I've not got enough money to put petrol in at the mo let alone do something stupid lol
6. Scottp Administrator Joined: Dec 2002 Glasgow United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 26097 Chelski Traktor

   #6 13th November 2006, 23:44

   only person i know of was a chap in denmark on ssc
7. tel Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2006 west london United Kingdom (England) Posts: 387 mk2 saxo vt rep 1.1

   #7 13th November 2006, 23:57

   surly it would be easyer and cheaper to fit the xzara vts lump???
8. Scottp Administrator Joined: Dec 2002 Glasgow United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 26097 Chelski Traktor

   #8 14th November 2006, 00:05

   nope not by a long shot
9. tel Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2006 west london United Kingdom (England) Posts: 387 mk2 saxo vt rep 1.1

   #9 14th November 2006, 00:19

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Scott nope not by a long shot

   is it not possible then id love a 2ltr saxo it would be as crazy as a redtop nova
10. user_8040 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2005 MaDchester Posts: 8432 Vts

    #10 14th November 2006, 00:31

    plus it would look better than any nova lol
11. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #11 14th November 2006, 07:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by b0t13 plus it would look better than any nova lol

    but i would handle as bad as a reliant robin! lol
    
    
12. Lofty86 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 168

    #12 14th November 2006, 07:58

    I know you can increase the cc of your engine by modifying the head (not much tho), Changing the stroke so the pistons have more travel, and boring the block. But if you change the stroke, the compression will raise, which is not what you want for a turbo. Also, you will need new pistons and rings if boring the block. If you do get new pistons, you nay aswell try and get some dished ones, again to get more CC, but also to help lower the compression a bit.
13. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #13 14th November 2006, 09:08

    on the renault sport forum some guy undertook a clio sport round a bend at 7-mph in a VTR with a Xsara VTS lump.
    (either that or the Clio driver was embarrassed that he got done over by a Sax)
14. Mysticp Scotland Joined: Jul 2005 Edinburgh Posts: 9556 Saxo 1.6i 16v VTS, 2 Classic Minis

    #14 14th November 2006, 09:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by S34MER but i would handle as bad as a reliant robin! lol

    Needs lowered
15. Japman Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Costa del Wales Posts: 12393 Spam Wagon

    #15 14th November 2006, 09:51

    i looked into the 2ltr but too much work plus the cost,i bought a VTS instead and ccoooooooorrrrrreeeeeeee its a beauty lol
16. Colin Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 Banbury Posts: 4623 Saxo Rally Car Evo 6

    #16 14th November 2006, 11:23

    I heard of boring the TU out to 1599cc by 1mm oversize pistons and a re-ground block. Alot of money though.
    
    But stroking it further with special pistons and longer rods, not to mention a different crank and a reground block is gonna be mega money.
    
    I know the HKS stoker kit for Pulsar's is about £3000.
17. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #17 14th November 2006, 16:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mystic Needs lowered

    no!! she's fine the way she is!!
18. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #18 14th November 2006, 16:13

    Fuck this xsara vts malarkey, the saxo vts is good for 300bhp+ how much more do you people want.
19. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #19 14th November 2006, 18:50

    just cuirous wether there were any about at the mo.... I know its stupid money so there wou;dn't be that many lol
20. killie-vts Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 109 97 vts

    #20 14th November 2006, 19:24

    could u not bore a vts to say 1680cc or 1740 like they use to do with ford
    1600 x/flow engines
21. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

    #21 14th November 2006, 19:26

    Increasing the Bore and Stroke is possible on all engines, but I heard the internals of the Saxo VTS (TU engine) are not strong enough to do this.
    
    A 1.7 16v at least would be nice!
    
    Something to do with thin walls or something stupid. Cant remember off the top of my head.
22. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #22 14th November 2006, 20:09

    Yes this is where the cost is incurred.... it has been done... I just don't know how many times, where, who, what etc lol
23. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #23 14th November 2006, 20:29

    yeah gmc do a stroker kit, iirc noone has had one off them. pm him on ssc,
24. chrisni1986 Established Member Joined: May 2005 Northern Ireland Posts: 1020 EVO 5, 306XLD

    #24 15th November 2006, 12:15

    i heard gmc do them but they have told people that enquired about it that its cheaper to charge it.. you can only bore the cylinders out slightly before you hit the water jackets ive been told...
25. saxoash Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 East Yorkshire United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6169 VTR

    #25 15th November 2006, 13:29

    Pluss the walls are fairly thin anyway
26. chrisni1986 Established Member Joined: May 2005 Northern Ireland Posts: 1020 EVO 5, 306XLD

    #26 16th November 2006, 12:08

    yea, would be a bit of a risk to try and take it out that far id say..