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1. garybuk Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2546

   #1 15th November 2006, 22:44

   i got a 106 1.6 8v (vtr engine) its got an inclosed induction kit and big bore exhaust thats it for now . but i just want a bit more acceleration (sp) what mods cud i do to get this. i thinking a chip duno what they called ware they chip your ecu . i just want that bit more pulll power at pull off.
   
   and by the way its a automatic... and no i dont want to get a manuel i want to mod my automatic
2. custom_vtr Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 656

   #2 15th November 2006, 22:48

   i imagine an automatics gearing wont really be set up for acceleration.de-cat would help get the result you're looking for and is cheap as chips for the instant power gain
3. garybuk Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2546

   #3 15th November 2006, 23:00

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by custom_vtr i imagine an automatics gearing wont really be set up for acceleration.de-cat would help get the result you're looking for and is cheap as chips for the instant power gain

   its been de-cat and stright thur pipe with big backbox... its 2-3 " bore
4. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

   #4 15th November 2006, 23:05

   manifold maybe or does it already have one? do you understand what a superchip actually does matey? and do you also understand that it has to be setup (RR) to get any real results from it!
5. custom_vtr Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 656

   #5 15th November 2006, 23:08

   use the gearbox off a smaller engine model.bottom end should be closer ratio and will be more nippy
6. garybuk Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2546

   #6 15th November 2006, 23:10

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by S34MER manifold maybe or does it already have one? do you understand what a superchip actually does matey? and do you also understand that it has to be setup (RR) to get any real results from it!

   i thort it makes it work better with my mods
7. garybuk Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2546

   #7 15th November 2006, 23:11

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by custom_vtr use the gearbox off a smaller engine model.bottom end should be closer ratio and will be more nippy

   lol f**k if im touching the gearbox larst time i broke one of them it cost £1000 for a recon one and that didnt larst long . but that was on the saxo
8. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

   #8 15th November 2006, 23:42

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by garybuk i thort it makes it work better with my mods

   lets imagine your the designer of the saxo (you wish) and you have to make bearing in mind that everyone is going to use this car, from grannies (lol seen a few in saxo's) who will use it to go shopping in, to young lads who wanna caine the ass off it!
   
   so the best way to explain it would be as follows
   
   the blue line is where your aiming to get your saxo, with the aid of a properly tuned chip, you can push your car to this end of the scale!
   
   
   hope this helps matey!
   spent ages making that gay little scale on paint lol
9. garybuk Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2546

   #9 16th November 2006, 11:04

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by S34MER lets imagine your the designer of the saxo (you wish) and you have to make bearing in mind that everyone is going to use this car, from grannies (lol seen a few in saxo's) who will use it to go shopping in, to young lads who wanna caine the ass off it! so the best way to explain it would be as follows the blue line is where your aiming to get your saxo, with the aid of a properly tuned chip, you can push your car to this end of the scale! hope this helps matey! spent ages making that gay little scale on paint lol

   thats wicked mate ... just how do i get to the blue line lol
10. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #10 16th November 2006, 11:09

    strip it
    manifold
    de cat
    is the exhaust 3" bore all the way or did you mean the tailpipe is 3"
    
    never heard of a vtr auto before but the box is slowing you down
    
    you could cam it but IMO opinion it isnt worth it on a vtr
11. l1ukeRS Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2005 Telford United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3962 Focus RS Saxo Vtr

    #11 16th November 2006, 11:31

    can you not drive a manual for sum reason? medical or summat?
    its deffo the box thats slowing you down , if you got a 1.1 box on it or vts ud notice loads off difference, probly would if you just put a vtr box on
12. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #12 16th November 2006, 19:49

    as the lads above have said mate, its the box thats slowing you down!! but if you get it chipped they will be able to tune it more towards the blue line for you! the potential is all there in the car, it just needs unleashing! lol
13. VTS_16v_Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500

    #13 17th November 2006, 08:25

    I agree strippin weight could be the next best thing to try an improve performance.
    
    Your abit unclear, but if the bore of your exhaust is 3" (pipework) then that is too big for a NA engine (3" is best suited to turbo'd engines) a drop to 2.5" or even 2" and a manifold would see a increase in performance.
    
    Unless your lookin to do head work (cams, portin and polishin) Id leave the engine alone and spend the cash else where, but thats IMO
14. garybuk Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2546

    #14 17th November 2006, 14:14

    ok sorry tock me ages to reply and thanks for all the replys . its 3" pipe work the backbox it 5" tip . so next besst thing to do is get a better exhausst system?? and strip whight?? what wheigt cos my spare whell has been taken off lol ... im very greatfull for the help please keep it comeing
15. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #15 17th November 2006, 16:19

    depends how extreme you wanna get? take your back seats out, then carpet, parcel shelf, door cards, everything thats not needed! i've even seen people drilling massive holes into the inside of their boot!
16. stiffler69 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289

    #16 17th November 2006, 16:41

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CITROEN-SAXO-1...QQcmdZViewItem Here you go this gave myn a little bit more poke with them mods on if anything the increased limiter will allow you to rev the tits of it, but remember once you bought this save a little for fitting and getting your immobiliser codes and things transfered over, as as soon as you remove the orignal chip bye bye data at least this is what happened to myn
17. garybuk Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2546

    #17 17th November 2006, 17:46

    i got two ecu anyway ??? and i thort they wwer rubish.?
18. Colin Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 Banbury Posts: 4623 Saxo Rally Car Evo 6

    #18 17th November 2006, 17:50

    AH! 3" Bore pipework?
    
    Charged cars only im afraid. You will loose performance.
    
    Get 2" or 2.25". If you are pickey about the bore size de-creasing in the bends, then do not get a custom.
19. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #19 17th November 2006, 17:57

    change exhaust that bore is way to big as said above 2 or 2.25" is best
    
    why wont you change the gearbox
20. garybuk Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2546

    #20 17th November 2006, 19:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ColSax AH! 3" Bore pipework? Charged cars only im afraid. You will loose performance. Get 2" or 2.25". If you are pickey about the bore size de-creasing in the bends, then do not get a custom.

    now im thinking it is 2" bore whats the best size ... does it matter much with backboxes?
21. Destiny L-plater Joined: Nov 2006 West Midlands Posts: 77 Zetec S

    #21 17th November 2006, 19:48

    Blue line equals lots of cash!
22. garybuk Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2546

    #22 17th November 2006, 19:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hesslevtr change exhaust that bore is way to big as said above 2 or 2.25" is best why wont you change the gearbox

    its an automatic gearbox iv tryed to take one off b4 and well it never came off. just dont wana f**k it up
23. jezpick Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2006 Notts Posts: 280 mk 2 1.1 sax

    #23 17th November 2006, 22:25

    thats a quality explaination S34MER, if i could rep you i would, but it wouldn't mean much lol! to get to the blue line you will need to get the chip properly setup, in otherwords RR'd! your looking at maybe £600-£700 to get it all done properly mate!