vts turbo 1/4mile

20th November 2006, 23:37

should a 210 bhp vts be doing round about 13.5 quarter miles or would it be slower than that

20th November 2006, 23:44

sounds plausable on a good run

20th November 2006, 23:49

I know a VTR turbo that does 13.9!... mind you its in an AX lol... I think the fastest AX vts turbo was 11.4? or something... can't remember now

21st November 2006, 00:00

yes the white carworx ax vts turbo, but that had traction control

21st November 2006, 00:01

is that 210bhp at the fly or actually at the wheels??

21st November 2006, 00:03

im almost certain Simo's car did the quarter in 14.5s, when his turbo was running 9psi and 190 at the wheels! i'll have to check though

EDIT: Yup im right CLICK

21st November 2006, 00:03

fly would have thought............... the carworx ax was somethin daft like 297 think thats at fly tho

21st November 2006, 00:05

Simo's is reading 242bhp at the fly and if thats doing it in 14.5s then its doubtful 210bhp will be enough to knock a second off that!

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxodaffy

should a 210 bhp vts be doing round about 13.5 quarter mile

so im saying NO to your original question matey!

21st November 2006, 00:22

i have read a few people with hardly modified vts's do low 15s late 14s i've never looked into quarter mile times much as oly had the vts 4 months and most of that i been moding it rather than going up the pod

21st November 2006, 00:22

and the problem of TRACTION off the line lol

21st November 2006, 01:48

depends on your launch.. cause it will be hard to get that kindof time with FWD

the quikest my mates GTi did pod was 14.8 and a 5.98 0-60 ..

21st November 2006, 09:41

vts turbo did a 1/4 mile in 12.8 secs

21st November 2006, 10:01

its all in the launch. imo.

21st November 2006, 10:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

its all in the launch. imo.

Yes, and that 12.8 was done with a launch verging on the theoretically perfect by the look of the 60 yard time

21st November 2006, 10:40

60 ft time is critical as with any drag car/bike.

Even 360 modena's struggle to knock into the 11s.

21st November 2006, 11:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxodaffy

should a 210 bhp vts be doing round about 13.5 quarter miles or would it be slower than that

If its 210bhp @ the wheels, then Id say yes.. on the right day with a good launch thats perfectly possible.

The 14.5 time my car did some years ago is shown in the video section of the site. The launch wasnt particularly special... theres easily room for improvement.

One problem with large powered saxos is that many people (as myself) end up fitting ridiculous spec clutches. From experience this really does limit your launch capability.

With the twin plate AP clutch I currently have I'm pretty sure if I were to drop the clutch at high revs some part of the transmission would physically snap!

Its been approx 2 years since my car was last timed... I can feel a re-time coming on

21st November 2006, 13:28

Get it down the strip Simo! I'll race you on my GSX-R!

21st November 2006, 14:15

So many determining factors best i managed when my VTR was s/c'd was 14.587 but I had a 60ft time of 1.7 too

21st November 2006, 14:19

1.7 is pretty darn good for a road car mate!

21st November 2006, 14:40

Yea its been debated in the past as some say its impossible

21st November 2006, 18:33

1.7 to 60 ft is a bit unberlievable. i have been to pod 3 times and not even 500bhp 4 wd cossies do that and they are awsome of the mark.

my saxo did a 14.7 n/a so was thinking that a turbo should knock about a second off

simo so do you think that its not best to go for a top of the range cluch

think that a sax-p day out at pod should be organised would be great to get to no everyone camp over the night. aslo should get some great vidoes and im sure a few of us saxo boys can wipe a smile of those scooby/evo and other super car boys

21st November 2006, 18:36

if 210 @ wheels 13.5 should be achievable, terminals of 106-114 for a time circa to that.

if every part of the transmision/running gear isn`t uprated to very high spec then you will have to brake something in extremely spectacular fashion to get into the 12s.

since when did the moosers` ax every do a qtr mile let alone record a qtr mile time. so many mythes about that car it`s comical. taking nothing away from the company,owner,car or having a dig but proof of claims would be nice to see.

the ap twin plate is an absolute nightmare for launching when coupled with an ma box!

21st November 2006, 18:47

No not pete moosers AX, he hardly ever drove it out of carworx garage let alone on the strip lol... although it was rumoured to have tested 0-100 in 10seconds and was pushing 290atf (allegedly, but theres no proof), its a dark blue TGE trim one.... it was at FCS this year but did a shit time.... mind you didn't everyone lol

21st November 2006, 18:49

what would people say the best cluch for a big bhp saxo but one that isnt a night mare to launch.

well im putting a quif dif in so that should help to launch a bit. will go for an extremely spectacular run break it and get the aa to tow me bac home lol. so it is pos to get a turbo saxo into the 12 s with the right work.

runing forged pistons would you be able to run about 1.5 bar 20 ish psi

21st November 2006, 18:50

vts turbo have you done a quarter in yours yet if not what would you be expecting from it

21st November 2006, 19:01

i`ve done circa 50 passes in mine. clutch that is decent for everything is the helix, couldn`t fault it. after a full day of launches(10+) it was about past it for full on launches but to be expected. the ap from my experience as mentioned was slightly a hinderance on launches(compared to helix), couldn`t live upto a full days thrashing @ cadwell(the mountain didn`t help) and for heel/toe downchanges(matching revs) it just didn`t want to know(friction works both ways). but all that said it is stil the only clutch i know of on the market that can handle the power, plus i`ve very little experience of one coupled with a be3/be4 box.

21st November 2006, 19:05

think i will have to get one of those on my list what a rough price on them about 300 quid. dont want to have a clutch that hinders my starts cause no how important launchs are

21st November 2006, 19:06

runing forged pistons would you be able to run about 1.5 bar 20 ish psi

yes, but other things to take onto account, one being plastic inlet/plenum(if still using it). although i ran 1.4bar through the standard plenum/inlet on standard pistons for around 2.5k miles, ran 1.1bar with forementioned bits circa 9k(yes no.3 piston ring melted in the end), still ran though just very smokey,lol.

21st November 2006, 19:06

aye bout £300 give or take couple of tenners

21st November 2006, 19:17

got a metal inlet going on it just thinking that a saxo weight next to nothing running 20 psi there wont be that many cars on the road that would be able to keep up apart from the super cars

21st November 2006, 19:49

What turbos are people with vts's running? t2/25s 28s? im using mine for 1/4 m so which do you think is best.? thanks

21st November 2006, 21:45

Regarding 60ft times, its all down to driver / rider IMO. If driving the same car each time. I got alot of 2.4s, then i got a 2.1.

22nd November 2006, 11:15

I realise it could well be a timing error but to be perfectly honest I think it is the closest I will ever get to perfection when it comes to launching

Here's a pic i took of the slip a while ago....

I was annoyed at the terminal as not only was I racing against my mates Astra Coupe Turbo but i hit the limiter on my 3rd to 4th gear change so i reckon the time could have been drastically lower

22nd November 2006, 22:23

The lad i bought my car off give me the timing slips to prove what the car had done.

1/4 in 14.111 at 99.53mph
60 foot was 2.182.

And the car is running a standard clutch (sliping alot now).