all show and no go!!!

29th February 2004, 01:48

dont you think its such a shame how people spend all there hard earned cash buying and fitting 18inch rims and 1000s on ice,body kits and wanky paint jobs that look like some cider drinkin 14yr girl has yacked all over it.what ever happend to gettin your car to bloody shift and havin street races,its all show and no go,roll on the power thats what i say

29th February 2004, 02:09

right there with you budy, my vtr powered ax has, to date, only had one race on the road sice i finished the engine install, that was with a honda s2000, i thrashed him, well, he almost kept up, but hey, a win's a win, in a streight line too. oh and did i mention that the ecu i'm running had not maps in it so it's all been guess work, not even set it up on the rollers properly yet........

bring on the power!!!!

29th February 2004, 02:45

thats great to hear,conversions are the don there is no othere way of gettin so much power for your dollar.ive had a few i only have a 1360cc saxo but with head back exhaust includin 4-1 manifold straight thru and a duction kit it goes well, the best i had was racing a scooby from junction1 m27 down the a36 i think to bournmouth,i no he could have kicked my ass and he did but i cught back up with him and he was playin ball we had a right old ding-dong weaving through the duffers all the way to bourmouth as he pulled of he gave it a little flash and waved,he knew the score it was well good fun,and i was 3-up

its soon gettin a 16v in it then im savin super super hard to get a turbo kit for it.lets get a bloody shift on thats what i say.even more upsettin is the people wjo get a new car and a loan take it to the bodyshop and get it maxed just to get it in the mag,its pathetic,there not enthusiasts there little wankers,never even held a fukin spanner.they should suss up on it and not alow them to mags anymore its ruining the scene.laters

2nd March 2004, 14:31

U beat a honda s2000?? Dont think he was trying mate he'l ave blown u all over the road if he put his foot down!! An s2000 does 0-60 in 5.9 seconds!! So u stil think he tried to race u?!?! dont think so!!

2nd March 2004, 19:04

well its still fun for him,im not pretending the scooby could'nt have had me but its all in the name of fun but yeah come on dude an s2000

2nd March 2004, 19:22

a vts in an AX i could amost beleive it would be able to stay with an S2000 but an unmapped vtr engined one i doubt it, but get a vid and prove it

3rd March 2004, 01:45

video you say? give it another two weeks to get it back from the bodyshop and we'll see what we can do.

I must admit i could hardly beleve it myself, but the comment from my passanger was "look at his blody face, he's well pissed off".

But hey, what happened happened, not from a standing start don't forget.

I've not timed it yet, but i have a 100m run right outside work and with a 10mph rolling start can hit 90 in 3rd buy the end of it with ease.

will keep you posted as to the video.

3rd March 2004, 01:54

oh, and by the way, it's not just a vtr motor, there's the race ecu that at the time was running twice the fuel timing the standard ecu pumps through, bored out throttle body, induction kit, one off exhaust, msd dis-2 multi spark cdi, and fuel pump from a 330 bmw + 3.5bar regulator.

not to mention the coil overs, vtr rear axle(19mm bars), and 4pot hi-spec calipers, mated to a set of 15" rims for best handling/acceleration.

oh and being 26 i'm not a kid telling tall tails.

3rd March 2004, 02:02

ur AX sound phat mate dont let them put you down,but im wel up for seein some vids,we should ask simo to get a shift on with the premium membership so we can load pics n vids,will be cool. my body kit arives on friday then its down to the bodyshop over the weekend to have it sprayed,im gona fit it but cant hack spraying metalic although i have proper compressor and paint gun facilities(thans not right) any way dont wana make a mess so ther gona do it,ill have the pics asap.im dopin it on the cheap cos i need the money for coilovers and vts engine.

3rd March 2004, 03:08

thanks mate. Mine's been in for 5 weeks now, it's in the body shop where i work at a bmw dealership, so i've got a £500,000 touch screen controlled oven to play with

all i'm sayin is "hot rod custom candy blue" and "baby integrale"

3rd March 2004, 03:33

cool

4th March 2004, 00:11

if i wanted a fast car i wouldn't have bought a saxo i'd have bought an evo or a scooby

4th March 2004, 01:01

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4th March 2004, 02:18

so why didnt you,if you dont want to go fast ur either a complete fuking pup,thats wat its all about or you should not have a diving licence or a car,wat a looser man

4th March 2004, 02:40

don55 i am sorry but ure a fuking wanker!! u really are... ok u have ure opinion on 'more show than go' which is a valid opinion and fair enough, but people spend a lot of time and work making there cars look good and unique, and most people cant afford to insure a car with out right power, so why have a go at these people and call them pathetic? i am only 18 but if i had an opinion to put forward i wouldnt start calling people pathetic and say

"if you dont want to go fast ur either a complete fuking pup"

if u really are 26 i pitty u

4th March 2004, 05:26

Don mate your being a bit stupid here, saying someone doesnt want to go fast makes them a pup and a loser is just utter bull shit.

Having a driving licence is not about going fast at all and thats a really stupid attitude to have im afraid.

4th March 2004, 06:56

If you wanna go fast do it on the track, If you wanna race scoobies and evos and s2000' there are plenty of them on the tracks for you to play with but with everyones opinion, they will be different and there is no way you should be saying to someone they are a looser for not racing and wanting to go fast, its the exact opposite, its them who are smart not to do that.

Imagine you are crossing the road and some kids are racing and run you over, there is no way you will ever see daylight again!

Racing off the lights or racing another car we have all done it but please don't say to someone they are a looser for doing the right thing or for taking care of what is their pride and joy...

4th March 2004, 07:42

I have to say i agree with scott and c2_vtr on this one!!! people like you who cause accidents thinking there good drivers by goin fast all the time, when really the only one who's stupid is you!!!!

4th March 2004, 17:21

I agree. Modifying is as much about creating a good looking individual car as it is about creating a fast one. I'm not against street racing but it is by no means a prerequisite of modifying!

4th March 2004, 22:50

yep. yep, yep I agree having a sweet looking motor but avin a fair bit of power behind u.

4th March 2004, 23:43

wow u lot wana sort it out every1 gets so aggressive,what ever happened to nodding to the chap next to you and racing from the light,dont get me wrong im not a wreckless driver at all far from it but its good to race some times,im not one of theis loosers who cant get his foot of the floor i just think the essance of street racing has been lost over the years,im not knocking people for makin cars look good,hell im expecting my body kit 2moz,who am i to talk yeah.i just think there are to many people out there who get a new car on loan and send it to the garrage and say"yeah mate make it phat"then 2 weeks later there in a mag,its not right,it used to focus on people who do up cars,as we all like to think but now its on what the car looks like alone,not many cars have any serious engine mods in maggy yet spend 10s of 1000s on the outside,but i supose every1 has there own priorities,thats fair enough.all im sayin is its a shame more people dont race and im sorry cos ive obviously upset a few people here and for that i apologise,what more can i say,i will say that if u never like to go fast in ur car then i still think ur a weener shnitzle.

4th March 2004, 23:46

wow u lot wana sort it out every1 gets so aggressive,what ever happened to nodding to the chap next to you and racing from the light,dont get me wrong im not a wreckless driver at all far from it but its good to race some times,im not one of theis loosers who cant get his foot of the floor i just think the essance of street racing has been lost over the years,im not knocking people for makin cars look good,hell im expecting my body kit 2moz,who am i to talk yeah.i just think there are to many people out there who get a new car on loan and send it to the garrage and say"yeah mate make it phat"then 2 weeks later there in a mag,its not right,it used to focus on people who do up cars,as we all like to think but now its on what the car looks like alone,not many cars have any serious engine mods in maggy yet spend 10s of 1000s on the outside,but i supose every1 has there own priorities,thats fair enough.all im sayin is its a shame more people dont race and im sorry cos ive obviously upset a few people here and for that i apologise,what more can i say,i will say that if u never like to go fast in ur car then i still think ur a weener shnitzle.

5th March 2004, 01:12

no one said it was bad to have the odd "race" now and again we were just saying your comment on drivers who dont want to go fast was a bit out of order.

I still dont get why you would consider someone who doesnt want to go fast a "weener shnitzle"?

5th March 2004, 02:59

cool it chaps, when i mentioned about racing an s2000 i didn't mention it was on the a4 in london, 3 lanes and buggerall on it at the time, me in lane 1 and the other guy in 3. stupid for racing on the road? possibly, but i dont race other people in the rush hour trafic.

I kind of agree with don about his initial comment though. he's got a point, it used to be "look what I've done" but now days it seems more and more the case that the underlying statement is "look what i can afford to get some other guy to do for me". wich can only be a bad thing for the whole moding movement, I mean, think about it, we all start paying big companies big money for products and services and they then start to have control over the whole sceen, where as the whole thing started with people working on their drives and in their sheds making something they thaught up five minutes ago from a bit of old scrap, lovingly sculpting an creating a work of art, then they showed it to a mate who made one of his own and showed that to another guy, with the exchange of ideas where we are today has happened, and what with the low cost and top quality raw materials available to us today, don is spot on, we should continue in the vein of our fore fathers and use our imagination and not allow ourselves to become sheep.

5th March 2004, 03:51

sheep bein the word supersav,ur spot on im glad to see at least one person id behind me.im not a ass on the roads i always let people out and give way sometimes i take a liberty but who doesnt(besides scott golden balls).i only race when its safe to do so,and ill admit its ot that often but if the chance arrises then hell yeah im game, i just find it impossible to belive that there are people out there who are in tocarsbut dont want to go fast,EVER.WHAT??u mean to tell me uve never heard ur induction roar and ur exhaust rasp,obviously not or you would not have the opinion u have now,look if you pretty boys wana go cruzin about at 10mph so every1 can see u in ur lopsided highlightened hair cut then thats fine,at least it seperates the men from the boys,hey.im really not lookin for a slag match i think u are i mean come on why would u not wana go fast,look around you mate thats what every1 wants chips,induction,exhaust,throttles,manifolds,polish n port,cams,vernier gear.just think about it yeah.the moddin scene is well out at the mo and me and peeps like supersav are trying to shed the light and all peeps can do is take the piss,well pitty on thee.

5th March 2004, 04:23

"besides scott golden balls"

what the hell is that supposed to mean.

Read my posts. I never said one thing about whatever the hell you get up to, i ONLY commented on the fact that saying you shouldnt have a licence if you dont drive fast and that your a pup if you dont drive fast.

Think about what you posting for fuck sake

"seperates the men from the boys"

YOU tell how on earth driving fast seperates the men from the boys.

And no, not once was i looking for a slagging match. I only made the point that others made. Read what i have posted in this thread and then answer

5th March 2004, 05:40

If you look at our post we were just complaining about you saying people who don't drive fast are losers! To us that meant that you were dissing everyone for not going fast all the time and race everyone in sight nearly! Hence my post! But that is not to say we don't go fast. I'm from London and whenever I go out towards southend on the A13 I like to open it up a bit if I can, it feels good to know you have it there when you want but doesn't necessarily mean I'm gonna race the first person I see (also because as you said there is hardly anyone doing that now!).

5th March 2004, 08:33

Again i agree with Scott and C2_VTR, jus cos we dont go driving and racing all the time doesnt mean we aint heard our induction roar or our exhausts and we aint " weener shnitzels" either! if u want to come here an think ur all big and clever then ur on the wrong site mate!!!!

everyone else on here gets on fine and shares there opinions but we dont take the piss out of each other!!!

5th March 2004, 17:44

See the difference in all these posts is that scott, danvtr and C2_VTR are expressing opinions and making comments about what you are posting don, whereas you are insulting people and judging people just because of their interests. Which is not what the forum is about, clearly you are the one looking for a slagging match as you the one using the abusive language.

Just chill for a bit and accept that not everyone in the world thinks the same as you, and that doens't make them wrong.

5th March 2004, 18:08

im not saying it makes them wrong yeah,i just think its a shame yeah that people aint into there cars there into what there cars look like,like i said im not one of these idiots in a motor raggin it about all the time,i live in a small village and if people speed i go fking mad a them,i cant stand it,but on the other hand when its 1am and im driving about then yes i will drive fast,i dont think there is anything wrong with this,and im not comin on here to be the big man.i just wana help peeps out,i no you lot now think im a complete wanker and there is nothing that i can do now.i just have strong opinions.like i said im sorry if ive offended any1 personaly.and as far as scott goes i am sorry for callin you golden balls(meaning ur perfect) if you look at all my other posts and threads u will see that im not really a dick,i jst get very emotional.im back of to the garage to try sort my torsion bar out,fun fun.

5th March 2004, 19:36

Yea, so wot if people prefer moddin the exterior of their cars more than under the bonnet, u have 2 admit, buyin a bodykit is cheaper thn engine mods, id still do as much as possible if i had a car tho

Was that fun, fun sarcastic?

5th March 2004, 21:56

so what,so nothingim just saying look ripper theres no reason to get all milky,start taking the piss,this is ur first thread in this forum so i dont care what u say,anyway u dont even have a car so who are you to talk,wat are you like 14-15 yrs old.id be supprised if you even knew wat a torsion bar was.]

im not knocking people for doin the outside of your car i am expecting my bodykit on tuesday,im not a hypocrite either,im fed up with every1 on here having such a problem with a guy who has a difference in opinion to every1 else.

this thread was to explain how it used to be "look what ive done to my car" but now its "look how much loan i can get so someone else can build my car"

its destroying the modding scene but know1 else can see through it(bar a few)i just think its all goin down the pan but every1 is to stubern to open there eyes

5th March 2004, 22:44

Yes, im 15, yes i no wot a torsion bar is, i no all of that stuff, and im not sayin nethin against u!
I was just sayin, that most peops prefer body mods, thats all...
I no wot u mean, if u look in an old Max mag, people have done pretty much everythin themselves, while in the new one, they just tell a company 2 design a kit, or fit on a kit thats really expensive, and dont necesarily look all that good, but its just fitted so as they can say "I have money, i can pay someone else 2 do my work 4 me!" I think theres only a handfull of articles about cars that have been modded by the owners a year, while in '95 or somethin, most people featured in mags had made the kit themselves in the shed and also sprayed it themselves while almost gettin killed by the fumes of the cyanide developed paint

Pklus, when i said the stuff b4, i was just messin around, didnt want it 2 sound as if i was arguein...
But just for the record, a torion bar is a bar of steel thats treated by heat or pressure to make it sort of elastic so that when the car goes over bumps, it bends the bar up and down, but always goes back to the original shape, pretty much works like conventional suspension, by just moving to absorb the bumps in the road but the French just had 2 b different and came up w/it, the it was used in 4x4s for the front i think

5th March 2004, 23:57

look kid i did not mean to offend u,for a 15yr old uve got ur head screwed on properly ill give u that mate,but a torsion bar twists it dont bend,not to split hairs tho mate.im glad peeps can see where im comin from with the DIY bit,if i told half of my mates i was goin to spray my kit myself(wich i am)they would look at me funny and call me a pikey,id laugh in there face cos ive saved 300quid,minus 10 for the paint i have,wich i can get cheap as i work in a motor factors(it has its perks).all this ive ive modded my car is crap its look what some1 else can do,obviously some u cant do but u can design it and get it made to be orriginal,as where i work i see alot of peeps with modded cars who put cheap ass oil in it dont know what a cam or vacum pump is,and to be honest it tears me up,so many people are completly fukin hopless when it comes to cars,they would rather get the garrage to chane the headlight bulb and pay 50quid,bassicaly it comes down to peeps having more money than scence,in a really big way,but u kid uve got ur head in the right place,nice one little dude

6th March 2004, 00:01

also matey how u put that pic as ur sig

6th March 2004, 01:57

i agree with most of your points don, but no body is dis-agreeing with most of it, you are repeating the same things about loans and destroying the modifying industry over and over again, we get the point.

All that anyone has had a problem with all along is you criticising other modifiers for not racing!! That is the problem with what you have been saying, nothing else.

And as far as getting loans, what is wrong with that? for people who have less money than you, how else can they modify their cars? You haven't put much thuoght into what you are saying and it sounds more like you are jealous of these people than anything else.

How do you expect people to get things done to their cars then without paying for it? What is wrong with paying sum1 to do something you don't know how to do? People go to college and university and don't do mechanics and end up getting jobs that aren't to do with cars, so how do u expect them to know how to do things? They end up looking a lot nicer than most DIY jobs.

7th March 2004, 04:24

u learn dont you,it really not hard,people wana spend alot of money on there cars try goin out to the big world and getting a job,thats what it takes,not to sit on ur ass and get a 10Grand loan,if you aint got the money you cant bloody have it,its laim to go out and get a loan no1 saves up for summit big,they just"get a loan" cos its way easier (at the time)then there is not as much appreciation and satisfaction you have to admit.

its just a shame that the only peps who get in mags(not that i even wana be in one b4 u say im jealous)are the ones who can take out the biggest loans.

if you think im jealous thats fine,really it does not bother me,obviously if it comes to a complete respray then YEAH ur gona get some1 else to do it,but to change a light bulb or fit an induction kit or a back box,thats just plain idleness.i see alot of this cos of where i work and it prob does make me over the top,but it drives me mad,people cant help themselves yet expect other people to runa round in circles for them,its not on.

and im not funkin repeating myself im justifing myself to others yeah

7th March 2004, 18:14

u saying that people expext others to run around after them to do things to there cars but isnt that called a job??? u get paid for it dont u??? if u dont like it then dont work there!!!! all part of ur job!!!

again like u said before with people not doing things themselves, some of us dont no how to do it and if we tried we could get it wrong! spending a bit of cash to get some stuff done, so its done properly aint a bad thing! and i dont mean a light bulb that is just rediculous!!!

7th March 2004, 20:49

well fair enough but i dont think u no wat a motor factors is its a shop not a garage yeah

7th March 2004, 23:07

lol i dont think your a wanker at all mate

was just asking you why you thought etc etc....

under the carpet now anyway mate

8th March 2004, 00:43

Woohoo, a happy ending!!!!

Must say that i agree n disagree wiv sum bits of this thread, bt i aint gonna bring it back up now!! Im prepared 2 do most fings myself, bt if i cant do it ill let the proffesionals do it, part from resetting the torsion bar, window tints and the spraying of my body kit, ive dun everything myself, makes it all the more rewarding that way!! Peace out fellow Saxo heads, after all that is the reason 4 us all being here:
OUR LOVE OF THE LITTLE FRENCHIE WE CALL OUR BABYS!!</font> The Saxo!!

8th March 2004, 01:21

right on bro,as you say were all here to chat about our llittle babies,not blag and slag eachother(cough cough)

but you have to admit its been quite an interesting thread tho considering it sat for 3 days with no replies,lol.take care boys

no hard feeling, your donny

8th March 2004, 04:40

Gotta admit, I stopped reading half way down page 2

I can't be arsed reading huge chunks of unformatted text

I too agree and disagree with quite a few of the ideas discussed in this thread. I dont like the way people buy a car, drop it off at a bodyshop, spend 4k and take all the glory for what has been created... but, who cares? It's gonna happen!

Would it be any different if I bought a car, dropped it off at the garage and spent 4k on engine mods? OBVIOUSLY, your opinion will depend on whether you are interested in body mods, or tuning...

Personally, I'm not sure I am into full on fibreglass kits, etc... it's something I've thought about, even bought, but never committed to fitting. Yeah, I've spent a shed load on my engine... but it'll get no respect from styling guru's!

Everybody is interested in different aspects of modding... I dont think it should be split into the styling boys v's the tuning boys (or girls)

8th March 2004, 15:45

thats sound cool to me simo,every1 has there own way of doin up a car,some to show and some to go.

8th March 2004, 17:14

Yeah your spot on Simo. But i completely believe you when you say you didn't read the whole thing, as that wasn't what the 'conversation' was about.

The main aspect was about street racing

8th March 2004, 18:40

urm no the thread was called "all show and no go" hows that just about street racing

8th March 2004, 21:36

wow, cant believe this threads still here!!! lol!!

Heres my opinion!! At the end of the day don i hear wot ur sayin but it works both ways, ur saying y have a car that looks really gud wen its slow but on the other hand y have a car thats quick but looks shit, u want both dont u?? There for u pick the one u want to do first and work at it that way!!

As for the s2000, an ax wiv a vtr engine cudnt keep up wiv it, and i know understand wen i posted "why dont we have a thread just for races" y everyone said no cus u wud get peeps sayin they beat a ferrari and shit!! Scott u was rite mate!! lol!!

9th March 2004, 05:15

im reserving judgement on the av/vtr hybrid, once the lad has it all setup and running it will be a pretty rapid car, so im waiting for the little beast

9th March 2004, 09:48

well im glad this has all been sorted!!!! has gone on for a while!!!!

9th March 2004, 13:55

lol, yep it saw has!!

Scott - I agree wen its set up properly then it maybe but he said he raced one as its currently set up, can u really see him beating a s2000??

9th March 2004, 17:06

without proof, no i cant but the same would have been said if i was asked would a saxo ever beat a BMW M3, but this has been done, with proof!

9th March 2004, 17:18

Yer but only wiv mods(supercharger) he aint got that in his!

9th March 2004, 17:27

true, but the M3 is in a different league to the S2000 as well

9th March 2004, 17:43

yer suppose!

11th March 2004, 00:08

i think again with the right setup the AXvtr could be a mover,but like you guys said u want proof,im glad this thread is done now but it has bin interesting to hear every1 views,we've had some mixed reactions to say yhe least

thanx don

11th March 2004, 00:12

lol to true mate.

I think this wee ax is going to do some damage

11th March 2004, 23:33

right on

13th March 2004, 00:27

i'm glad you chaps at least are starting to realise that there is more than a hint truth in what i said, however, you'll have to sit tight on the proof for a little while longer as i'm still in the body shop for atleast another week.........oh and there's the small matter of me going to collect a set of throttle bodies tomorrow, and, you bet your asses ther'e getting fitted prior to the topping out party, then i'll have to play with settings for a month at wich point i'll give up tinkering and rent a set of rollers for the day to fully sort it!

so, "stand by for action, anything could happen in the next....erm...5 weeks?"

13th March 2004, 23:20

fair play dude

13th March 2004, 23:57

sounds excellent

30th March 2004, 01:51

IF YOU ARE GOING TO MOAN ABOUT PEOPLE WITH SMALL ENGINED SAXO`S THEN GO AHEAD, START WITH ME. 1.1 OWNER LOWERED, ALLOYS, EXHAUST, ICE JUST NO SWEET 1.6 16 VALVER UNDER THE HOOD.....SO CARRY ON AND MOAN.....BUT REMEMBER YOUR MOTOR IS STILL A FUCKING GRANNYS AX YOU DICK!!!

30th March 2004, 16:57

hmmm considering this arguement was settled a long time ago, after having a rant like that your the one that looks like a dick.

Thread carrys on as normal from here please.

30th March 2004, 19:24

Hmmm, I'm gonna sit on the fence on this one.

I think it is abit pointless when people mod thier 1 litres to look the daddy when it blatantly gets overtaken by pushbikes(yah I understand everyone starts somewhere and ppl want their car to look respectable) but puttin thousands into a car....you could save your thousands and get something worth getting excited about.

2ndly I dont think there is anything wrong with taking the car for a boot and maybe exceeding the speed limit a little...lets face it, its easily done....as long as its in the right place and u know the roads are safe i.e when I wanna get jiggy I take her on the moores, the bends up there will kill ya but i'm in control of that....diffrent to bootin it inner city and risking the lives of others

(stupid)

(no offence to all of u 1.1 owners out there

)

30th March 2004, 19:26

no offence taken mate... fully agree with what ur sayin

31st March 2004, 01:01

"fucking granys ax you dick"??????
did you actualy read MY posts? I don't think I've mentioned engine size at all, just because i happen to have a 1.6 in my ax don't mean i'm anti small engined.
Infact i ran a 1.0 in the ax for five years, just so happened the 1.6 motor came allong at the right time and price.

as for the "grany" coment, well, i see just as many old people in bog standard saxo's as ax's, does this make a 1.1 saxo a grany car too???????

my coments where refuring to the way people hand out fists full of cash to other people rather than use their imagination, my ax was mentioned purely as an example of what can be acheived when you apply yourself, I bought the car brand new in 97, so yes it takes a while but the feeling of acheivement just can't be mesured.

and by the way, i chose the ax 1.0i as this was all i could afford at the time, I did want a saxo vts but didn't have that kind of cash, what's your excuse?

4th April 2004, 22:52

i am completely the the opposite to "all show no go". I prefer "all go no show".