Supercharging my VTR!

1. saxi_boi L-plater Joined: Aug 2006 Hull Posts: 59 Citroen Saxo Vtr

   #1 23rd November 2006, 18:51

   Alrite guys n girls,
   
   i've got a supercharger for my vtr and want to know where abouts i can take drive from, which pully and where to mount the f**ker cos its huge and intercooler mounting and then whether or not i will need to uprate my internals, not sure how strong the lil french engine handles compression? plus wer can i get my ecu remapped in the yorkshire area cheapily.
   
   will i also need better injectors? and wer can i get the ally' hosing from?
   
   a lot to ask i know but i dead certain on doin this.
   
   cheers people
   
   Tony
2. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

   #2 23rd November 2006, 18:55

   So you only have a supercharger at the moment?
3. AdamVTRUK Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2006 Mansfield, Notts Posts: 646 Saxo VTR

   #3 23rd November 2006, 19:13

   with the sounds of things i woud take it somewhere to get it done because it is a big thing and you need to get it right, ive never had a supercharger or anything like that on my sax so i wouldnt know the ins and outs its just friendly advice
4. Scottp Administrator Joined: Dec 2002 Glasgow United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 26097 Chelski Traktor

   #4 23rd November 2006, 19:19

   what charger is it?
   
   You have your work and pocket money cut out for you from now
   
   www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk
5. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

   #5 23rd November 2006, 19:23

   The GMC pricelist will give you a rough idea but there's loads of other hidden costs such as uprated brakes,clutch etc....
   
   Supercharger Conversions.
   
   SAXO VTR Intercooled Kit, MF2 Fuelled, 06/04/03
   
   1- C30/64 charger with bracket, rollers, oil tank+ fixings £1736.00
   1- Welded Aluminium Construction Intercooler £350.00
   1- Welded Aluminium Construction Water Radiator £350.00
   1- Cooling fan kit £93.00
   1- Aluminium Header Tank £55.00
   1- Rad Cap £5.00
   1- 16 Row oil cooler £70.00
   1- Drive belt 1180mm 80mm pulley £21.00
   1- ERL MF2 unit + GMC signal conditioner£450.00
   1- 2 Bar Map Sensor £78.00
   1- Large Injector £70.00
   1- Injector Fuel Fitting Kit £10.00
   1- Injector Electric Connector Kit £6.50
   1- Boost Pipe with Injector Holder No3 £140.00
   1- Inlet Chrome Pipe No4 £87.00
   1- K+N Air Filter Element £27.00
   
   1- 200mm Fuel Hose £3.00
   6- Stainless fuel Hose Clips £3.00
   1- Fuel Hose “T” Piece £3.50
   1- Intake Hosing £10.00
   1- Samco Hose 50mm x 22mm Diameter £2.00
   1- Samco hose 70mm x 60mm Diameter £7.00
   2- Samco Hose 45degree Bends x 51mm Diameter £44.00
   
   1- Samco hose 160 mm x 51 dia £15.00
   1- Water Hose 450mm x13mm £10.00
   1- Water Hose 450mm x 10mm £9.00
   6- Stainless Steel Hose Clips 60mm £9.00
   
   2- Stainless hose clips 70 mm £4.00
   2- Stainless steel hose Clips 35mm £3.20
   2- Stainless steel Hose Clips 25mm £3.20
   2- Stainless steel Hose Clips 19mm £2.00
   2- Intercooler Mounting Grommets £2.40
   4- BCR8ES Spark Plugs £14.00
   
   TOTAL £3692.80
   VAT £646.24
   PARTS GRAND TOTAL £4339.04
   Labour cost to fit this to a silver Top ,Non L4 emission Spec, engine - £700.00
   VAT £122.50
   
   TOTAL FITTED PRICE £5161.54
   
   NOTErice does not include petrol required for mapping. GMC Signal Conditioner 3 which controls water injection and NOS can be added for £50 + vat extra.
   
   
   We can supply the parts only for others to fit, just deduct fitting charges and vat relating to same.
   
   We can also supply a non intercooled kit but from experience everyone who has had one has upgraded to the intercooled kit within 6 months as price of the non intercooled kit is only circa £1000 cheaper and the bhp increase is about half.
6. saxi_boi L-plater Joined: Aug 2006 Hull Posts: 59 Citroen Saxo Vtr

   #6 23rd November 2006, 20:06

   cheers for the advice guys still need more, i will be doin the modification myself at work with my colleagues, i've got a MINI Cooper S charger and in the process of gettin an intercooler and my engine gas flowed, head skimmed and forged pistons, think i can manage to keep costs down to under £1000 clever u c i got contacts. lol. the charger was a freebie from a friend and it is brand new been told i can push 200bhp with wot i'm using and wot i've got planned.
   
   Please send more sites etc with details. It would be ace if there is a site with pictures of 1 that is already dun.
   
   cheers again guys. i'm serious about this so want it doin spot on.
7. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

   #7 23rd November 2006, 20:10

   You'll need some good contacts to get it in under a grand, I was tempted by the Mini Supercharger myself but was put of by all the other costs.
   
   Good luck with it all and if you search on here I'm sure you'll find loads more info.
8. saxi_boi L-plater Joined: Aug 2006 Hull Posts: 59 Citroen Saxo Vtr

   #8 23rd November 2006, 20:14

   well i work for bmw so... i can get a lot of shit cheap. whey. i got a guy at work that is a turbo / supercharger genius too. and he's up for helping. cant wait now. only doin it cos my mate has pissed me off and made me jealous by buying an mg zr turbo grrrrr. lol
   
   more info please please please. cheers
   
   Tony
9. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

   #9 23rd November 2006, 20:15

   A pretty damning review of the Mini supercharger:
   
   "Seen a picture of one fitted to a car. Well when I say "fitted" they hacked out the slam panel and had it sitting there over the exhaust manifold but it was not plumed in or anything like that. Don’t think that ever got up and running. Its not a very good unit to use really so think most people just don’t bother. But could be a bit of fun, good luck with it. " SSC
10. l1ukeRS Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2005 Telford United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3962 Focus RS Saxo Vtr

    #10 23rd November 2006, 22:05

    people make a big long pole with a pulley on the end dont they for the mini type chargers i seen a couple on a sax, then they sit the charger next to the battery
11. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #11 23rd November 2006, 22:49

    Supercharged Saxo VTR 160bp
    
    
    
    
    (Thanks to Mike for pics)
    
    More pics of another S/C VTR - thought these pics may help with fitting and give ideas as to how is best to position it in the engine bay!
    
    
    
    
    thought these pics may help!
12. argylefan1985 Established Member Joined: Feb 2006 North Devon Posts: 2095 Saxo VTR mk1

    #12 23rd November 2006, 22:57

    oooooooo i want 1 lol
13. saxomeli Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2005 Scarborough United Kingdom (England) Posts: 353 Black/silver/green VTR

    #13 24th November 2006, 16:45

    Good luck in getting it all fitted and stuff! Keep us all updated! Sounds like an exciting project!
14. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

    #14 24th November 2006, 17:07

    thats' the rotrex charger though, not the mini one.
15. sy_VTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2006 BLACKBURN Posts: 1216 BLACK MK2 VTR, MK1 POSI VTS

    #15 24th November 2006, 18:18

    That looks mint! good luck, do one of those threads! cant think what there called but you know what i mean
16. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #16 24th November 2006, 18:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sean thats' the rotrex charger though, not the mini one.

    i know mate, couldn't find one with a mini charger in it so settled for second best!
17. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #17 24th November 2006, 18:47

    I dont think anyone has used them as they are a poor choice...thats what I found out when I was toying with the idea.
18. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #18 24th November 2006, 18:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ets2k9 I dont think anyone has used them as they are a poor choice...thats what I found out when I was toying with the idea.

    what the mini charger or the rotrex charger??
19. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

    #19 24th November 2006, 18:49

    there was a foreign vts on here who had used the mini one, the pics are on here somewhere
20. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #20 24th November 2006, 18:50

    the mini charger was a poor choice iirc. rotrex is the one to have
21. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #21 24th November 2006, 18:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit the mini charger was a poor choice iirc. rotrex is the one to have

    Thats what i was going to suggest but i thought steve (ets2k9) was saying it was a poor choice! Rotrex charger is definately the better of the two!
22. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #22 24th November 2006, 18:54

    I was on about the mini chager and Sean I'm still waiting for you to find the bloody pics of the foreign saxo with a mini s/c I've been waiting weeks
23. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #23 24th November 2006, 18:56

    would certainly like to see some.......... come on Sean sort it out lad!!
24. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

    #24 24th November 2006, 18:57

    clicky
25. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #25 24th November 2006, 18:59

    That thing is fucking HUGE!!!!!
26. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #26 24th November 2006, 19:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sean clicky

    I remember that thread, well found Sean!
27. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #27 26th November 2006, 12:25

    the eaton chager has been fitted to saxo,s -- by a comp[any in switzerland - bemani-- i think .
    you mount it over the gearbox with a long cross shaft to drive it .
    I think i can find a link to a man in carribean that has one on a vts -- but not as good power as a rotrex ( too much heat from an eaton )
    msn-- pmx@voila.fr
28. Awretham Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2004 Surrey Posts: 801 200sx S13

    #28 26th November 2006, 21:25

    DP have also used an eaton charger, though that was on their 1.4 twin turbo supercharged 206, so a different kettle of fish;
    
    
29. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #29 27th November 2006, 21:40

    eaton type charger has been fitted to saxo vts ,drive is a long shaft,attached with self aligning brgs to head, with charger mounted over g/box end of head ,mini charger is run at 14psi ,but bhp is poor at 160 @flywheel ,not 160 @wheels as with rotrex ,they sap more power and run very hot compared to rotrex ,you can do it ,but make sure you use a BIG intercooler and would suggest you might want to up your budget a bit and fit a stand alone with wideband which will make your fueling stay optimum ,all of the time ,espec as the eaton will run hotter and cause over fuelling + power loss,due to heat ,or if mapped when hot ,will run lean when cold ,(bang goes the pistons due to being to lean ), so if you going to do it fit a proper ecu control .(£800ish)