1.1 Box on a VTS

29th November 2006, 23:57

outcome please?

30th November 2006, 00:00

pretty sure it won't be as good as the VTS box , there more or less the same box, its just the VTS' final drive which is different, so top end won't be as good as it would with a VTS box!

30th November 2006, 00:05

but ill still be able to do 60 in 2nd etc?

30th November 2006, 00:07

1.1 box will give good acceleration however, wont give as good top speed.

Someone suggest a 106 rallye box is good because it gives best of both worlds but I don't know if that's true or not.

30th November 2006, 00:07

LOL! Ah man,
not sure if you will be able to do 60 in second but maybe that has something to
do with why your original box died lol!

Get the car running mate, just get a VTS box lol!

30th November 2006, 00:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by snewham

1.1 box will give good acceleration however, wont give as good top speed.

Someone suggest a 106 rallye box is good because it gives best of both worlds but I don't know if that's true or not.

1.3 Rallye boxes are uber rare, and plus when you do get one imagine the condition.
Will require a total refurb if possible!

30th November 2006, 00:08

...I cant afford the 250 quid atm mate...
VTS are meant to do 60 in second

30th November 2006, 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushy_23

1.3 Rallye boxes are uber rare, and plus when you do get one imagine the condition.
Will require a total refurb if possible!

yeah was quoted 1k with straight cut gears. no ty

30th November 2006, 00:09

its just im winning a 1.1 box for 27 quid

30th November 2006, 00:09

60 in second haha yeah you will mate!

30th November 2006, 00:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulless

VTS are meant to do 60 in second

haha I wont debate that. I'd stick with the VTS box to be honest mate,

but there's no harm in trying out the 1.1 box and seeing what kind of effect it has. Especially if it is that cheap :thumbup:

30th November 2006, 00:10

s34mer. I dont know if your taking the mick but VTS do 60 in second.

30th November 2006, 00:10

I was just curious as im most likely going to have a 1.1 box as I cant afford an S box at this moment in time...

30th November 2006, 00:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulless

s34mer. I dont know if your taking the mick but VTS do 60 in second.

yeah no shit, i was just laughing at your comment!

pretty much any car can do 60 in second with the right mods!

30th November 2006, 00:11

They can do 60 in second but I would make that your main concern!

Keeping the car in good condition and running properly should be top of the
list bud!
Speed is nice but it costs

30th November 2006, 00:12

yeah..i know, hopefully the 1.1 box will last

30th November 2006, 09:45

Looking at it from the other perspective. Would putting a VTS gearbox in my 1.1i raise the top speed of my car?

Or just make it take a hell of a lot longer to accelerate in 5th gear.

30th November 2006, 10:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBirdPoo

Looking at it from the other perspective. Would putting a VTS gearbox in my 1.1i raise the top speed of my car?

Or just make it take a hell of a lot longer to accelerate in 5th gear.

I would allow your car to achieve a greater top end, but you would need the power to get a greater top end, tbh you won't get more than 100mph in a 1.1, even with a few mods, although the limiter will tell you otherwise, but we all know their not accurate!

30th November 2006, 10:35

only 2 mph difference between the vts box and 1.1 box top speed

30th November 2006, 10:40

There u go then soulless, 1.1 box is fine

30th November 2006, 10:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott

only 2 mph difference between the vts box and 1.1 box top speed

really is that all? im not saying i don't believe you but, how do you know that?

30th November 2006, 10:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by S34MER

really is that all? im not saying i don't believe you but, how do you know that?

Havent you noticed... hes an admin... Duh!

PS. Iv always thought it was a much more significant gap too

30th November 2006, 10:53

Get in! someone said the diff is much weaker tho...?

30th November 2006, 10:55

there the same strength, all saxo boxes are!

30th November 2006, 10:58

really!?! 49 quid, lets hope it fits

30th November 2006, 11:09

pretty sure it won't be as good as the VTS box , there more or less the same box, its just the VTS' final drive which is different, so top end won't be as good as it would with a VTS box!

nothing the same inside them at all. smaller diff, different cluster and different final drive ratio. but as it has both different final drive ratio and a different cluster set the actual gear ratios work out very close to the vts'.
vts box would be best though.

30th November 2006, 11:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by S34MER

really is that all? im not saying i don't believe you but, how do you know that?

Real speed calculator, premium member tool

30th November 2006, 11:19

Scott - you are a legend at this Saxo stuff mate + rep for you. but in your opinion, will it be Ok to run this 1.1 box?

30th November 2006, 11:23

yes it will be ok

30th November 2006, 11:24

x MWAH! thanks Scott! (in a non homo way)

30th November 2006, 12:35

my vtr does 38 in 1st and 61 or 62 in 2nd

30th November 2006, 12:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveMcGee

my vtr does 38 in 1st and 61 or 62 in 2nd

I hope youv raised the limiter then. Otherwise someone delete that post sharpish! and SteveMcGee do a search about what you just said

30th November 2006, 12:46

Standard vtr does 31.5mph in first, 59.5mph in second.

30th November 2006, 18:27

i have vtr with 1.1 box couldnt afford vtr box at the time.

good points
. faster acceleration 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th
. feels faster
.cheap to replace
. seems to live'n the car up a bit!
. i left two vtr's sitting on take off and kept up with vts until 65 mph
bad points
. first gear lasts prob bout 1 sec
. tops out at bout 115 but will be more in vts as limiter is set higher prob 120 (estimate)
. less mpg
. high revs wen cruizin in 5th
. always changing gear!

for that price it will do until you can afford vts box, and 1.1 box acceleration powered by vts lump is fun! good luck mate!

30th November 2006, 19:05

............*shakes head* Will only be good IF it is the right box as there are two different types of box - alth the same inside, the top linkage is different, my VTR was the more common type of box and Ive just replaced my second box in under a year of having the sax!! The top linkage that sits on the top of the box and goes down towards tha back cannot be changed that easily - therfore u need to check its gunna fit!!

30th November 2006, 19:07

I also had a 1.1 box in my VTR

Good acceleration but looses it at end of 3rd/into 4th gear where another vtr (if racing) would begin to catch up.
You also have les top end, running 45 profile 15" tyres my top end was 117 and with 55profile tyres on 15" rims i got to 127 before limiting (On sat Nav.)
But yes, you sit doing 70 at silly revs..! Cant imagine how quick you will have to change gear in 1st n' 2nd lol!

30th November 2006, 19:08

different diff aswell lets not forget the small things

30th November 2006, 19:40

want 2 by my old 1999 VTR box?

30th November 2006, 20:23

Ive had a 1.1 box in my VTS around Bruntingthorpe and Silverstone... and its not died yet! It will die in a few months mind

I couldnt pick up a vts box last time i changed... I was in a mega rush. £50 for a 1.1 box, or £200+ for a VTS box... the way my car chews through them I may stick with 1.1 boxes

30th November 2006, 22:29

True!!

30th November 2006, 22:36

mate i would just stick to the VTS box...

30th November 2006, 23:12

simo - what exactly does your car kill in the 'boxs? have you got an ATB diff?

30th November 2006, 23:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

simo - what exactly does your car kill in the 'boxs? have you got an ATB diff?

Crown wheel always peels off... thought about welding on, but gonna transfer the problem further down the line.

30th November 2006, 23:40

your turbo must put right strain on the gears......on that thought,
do you recon you can get/make a 4x4 sax?

30th November 2006, 23:41

woudl an ATB or LSD not take some of the strain away though?

30th November 2006, 23:42

it might in a standard sax,but in a turbo

30th November 2006, 23:45

would still eat them

30th November 2006, 23:52

1.1 box is longer than a vts.

vts will be faster everyhwere, citroen didnt make difernet ratios for fun, they did it to match the engine, limiter and power band, so id stick with it.

as said 1.3 rallye boxes are uber rare, but fast, stupid really unless on track/sprints.

i hade a 1360 box on my vtr, but it was from a 93 xsi, and is "nearly" as short as the 1.3 rallye, my vtr topped out, hitting the limiter at 105mph.

need i say more.

30th November 2006, 23:55

always been a bit cautious of fitting uprated box and diff.. as if that does blow (and they can) its a really expensive trial

30th November 2006, 23:55

nope but if you only do "THE SPEED LIMIT" then the 0 to 70 in less time than a normal box with a rallye then its far the better with than without

30th November 2006, 23:57

yes simo,no one wants a 2 grand box

and grilled unless you had f**k loads of cash,but even then if you actully had the cash then you would not have a shitrun

1st December 2006, 00:00

not really as at 70 you will be doin 5k revs, and using a shit load of fuel, wich IMO is a bad thing for my wallet and the environment .

but yes, as out and out track slag then yer its faster, but for road id not like to have ti, been there done that.

1st December 2006, 00:02

nothing wrong with citroen. if thats the case why spend any money atall on your saxo when you could buy a 'better' car?

1st December 2006, 00:04

williams of ssc ?

1st December 2006, 00:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

nothing wrong with citroen. if thats the case why spend any money atall on your saxo when you could buy a 'better' car?

as soon as mine is bk on the road im selling to get a pulsar gti-r,coz there shit hot lol,but the sax id ratha get rid off

1st December 2006, 00:05

yes its williams off ssc.

thing is most pulsars are high mileage now and need a lot of TLC.

1st December 2006, 00:08

and the jap

hey buddy im hopuing to be back on ssc in the mornign as its been a wek.

1st December 2006, 00:11

you been banned?

1st December 2006, 00:50

yup

in faglex's BOO thread, my missus was signed in under me and posted gay porn. like pics edited of me with a cock in my mouth, yer id really do that to myself, obviously the fucking mods couldn't see it wasn't me, fucking cunts.

1st December 2006, 00:50

oh and im after

a front passanger arch, and a front bumper, mabe some door cards too the oustide ones, also mabe some reach arches.

1st December 2006, 15:38

its hard to get front body panels. most saxo's that are in the beakers have front end damage.

1st December 2006, 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

its hard to get front body panels. most saxo's that are in the beakers have front end damage.

thats why everyone should take advantage of your brake deals

1st December 2006, 19:55

exactly

11th December 2006, 15:26

Sorry for cutting to the chase fellas, least I had the sense to do a search for a recent post! Anyways after a quick read i'm guessing people who have posted in this thread have had 1.1 boxes in both vtr and vts engines.

I have a Vreg vtr and would like to put a 1.1 gearbox into it (primarily because of cost difference between 1.1 box and vtr box and secondly as my top end is fairly poor anyways, I like the sound of increased accelaration!)

What id like to know is regardless of changes in performance, do I need to change anything other than the box itself or will the clutch flywheel etc also need to come from a 1.1??

11th December 2006, 15:29

nope, box just drops in.

11th December 2006, 15:30

will let you know perhaps tonight..

11th December 2006, 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billog_VTR

Sorry for cutting to the chase fellas, least I had the sense to do a search for a recent post! Anyways after a quick read i'm guessing people who have posted in this thread have had 1.1 boxes in both vtr and vts engines.

I have a Vreg vtr and would like to put a 1.1 gearbox into it (primarily because of cost difference between 1.1 box and vtr box and secondly as my top end is fairly poor anyways, I like the sound of increased accelaration!)

What id like to know is regardless of changes in performance, do I need to change anything other than the box itself or will the clutch flywheel etc also need to come from a 1.1??

Dont need to chnge anything mate. Only thing you may have to do is swap the speedo connection from ur old box onto the 1.1 box if they are different - Just check all the linkages are the same and you will be fine (some are different but can be changed). Nothing need be changed, all boxes are the same strength and basic fitment. Best of luck.

11th December 2006, 15:33

Hero mate! Needed an answer asap and a simple one at that!

Just made my day. Thankyou.

11th December 2006, 15:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulless

will let you know perhaps tonight..

You taking it on like mate?

11th December 2006, 15:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billog_VTR

You taking it on like mate?

No probs mate, go get one and fit it!

We are putting a 1.1 box in soulless' VTS mate.

11th December 2006, 15:41

yeps!
and we believe shaggers had one in his R before ;D

11th December 2006, 15:44

Yes. Must have been a 1.1 box - it topped out at 117mph before bouncing off the limiter!

11th December 2006, 15:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaggers_saxvtr

Yes. Must have been a 1.1 box - it topped out at 117mph before bouncing off the limiter!

on a private piece of land might I add.

11th December 2006, 15:50

Well where else....the M20?! Deary me

11th December 2006, 15:51

note: fuel consumption will be worse with a 1.1 box.

12th December 2006, 21:13

did you get it in tonight in the end?

24th September 2007, 22:01

bump an old thread, did you ever fit it?

24th September 2007, 22:23

the 1.1 box fits steve, but hes on about a saxo 1.1 and not a ax box

24th September 2007, 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yates

the 1.1 box fits steve, but hes on about a saxo 1.1 and not a ax box

i know it fits just want to knwo the outcome of it, ax and saxo box the same

24th September 2007, 22:29

ah right, why not just fit it then, not much difference in them it seems

24th September 2007, 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yates

ah right, why not just fit it then, not much difference in them it seems

got a vts box on nd sync mesh is starting to go, got another s box in garage waying up the cost of it getting repaired

25th September 2007, 00:06

me and king karl had a bit or a race before, he had a vts engine with 1.1 box and i had a vts with vts box plus i had a passenger and a big heavy ice install and we were neck and neck so to be honest i didnt see his 1.1 box making his vts lump 0-60 any quicker due to the fact i was side by side and i had an extra person and more weight in my car and his top end speed was shite

25th September 2007, 08:41

prob down to the engine more than the box tbh,

Ive played with friends VTS and theres no difference, if not Im a bit quicker.

Honestly hardly noticable.

25th September 2007, 09:52

i was thinkin would be down to driver

25th September 2007, 09:52

top end will be crap on a 1.1 box

25th September 2007, 09:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott

only 2 mph difference between the vts box and 1.1 box top speed

......not that bad top end tbh Leeroy.

25th September 2007, 10:05

i know my mates 1.1 would get up to 115 but then with the vts being capable of more im sure it could take the limit higher

stil cant believe soulless commenting in somethin other than general chat

25th September 2007, 10:07

lol, its only because I actually have this on my car,
at 70 mph my needle is about 3,400rpm, yours will be very similar.

25th September 2007, 10:15

If it was legal, Id make a film of where my VTS gets to on the dials, just to prove

25th September 2007, 11:40

PAP tbh

25th September 2007, 11:43

say what you want lol,
it still works fine,better than no box at all and Ive noticed no difference.

25th September 2007, 11:44

Alright Craig ....oppsss i mean Karl

Keep your dummy in

25th September 2007, 11:46

lol,
you called my car pap though **cries**

25th September 2007, 11:48

box i meant

Car is cool

Watched you clean it at traxs thinking am sure thats Karl

25th September 2007, 11:51

haha lol,

yeah

sorry, was shy, always am. E-Warrior tbh thats about it.

In conclusion, Id rather have a VTS box as its a VTS i've got,
however my 1.1 box has lasted longer, doesnt seem to be a huge difference (or any noticable difference to me)
Still goes to around 65+ on dials in second so..*Shrugs*

25th September 2007, 13:25

Right @ 7250rpm

VTS

1st 35mph
2nd 62mph
3rd 89mph
4th 115mph
5th 142mph

1.1

1st 33mph
2nd 62mph
3rd 87mph
4th 109mph
5th 145mph

So not much difference really in the gearing think the main thing wrong with the 1.1 is the smaller diff? and the slightly longer 5th

25th September 2007, 13:27

Yes,
so hardly noticable like I said

ty for the info.

28th September 2007, 14:50

anyone got a 1.3 rallye box in a VTS?

28th September 2007, 14:54

a few people have, apparently best standard box to have

28th September 2007, 15:11

I've got the S1 version, it makes a shed load of difference. Even more so when it comes to negotiating many turns, as I have a better chance of keeping power "on cam" so to speak.

Those stats for the 1.1 look shyte. Avoid at all costs. As said, diff is poop.

Acceleration will be better with the S1 because the final drive is higher, simple mechanics / physics.

28th September 2007, 15:55

good good, bought one yesterday, should be fitted 2day now. should notice 153 ponies then

S1 Box that is

29th September 2007, 02:29

MY VTR has a 1.1 box on it and its well fast accelration but top end is 105 110 (not down hill lol)
and u say there is only 2MPH diffrence??? stange i had a vts and had 140 out of it (NOT INSURED)

any 1 know what the top end of a standard vtr is with vtr box?
thanx Rich

29th September 2007, 02:53

A VTR has a 6250rpm limit so wont do as much as that… VTR boxes are the worst so anything’s a plus from that… on a 6250rph limit you should be toping out at about 125mph in 5th with standard tyres on with a 1.1 box…

Stock VTR will top out at about 142mph in 5th on stock rev limit… good luck finding a hill big enough…

Thos are the actual speeds btw calculated from the rpm, ratios and tyre size, not the indicated which are out on all saxos… A stock VTS will do an indicated 140mph… but in reality it’s only doing about 130

18th December 2010, 17:08

Thread resurection

Is anyone who posted stating they had a rallye or 1.1 gearbox still active? And is the box still going??

Danny

18th December 2010, 17:17

I didn't have one back when this was started, but I had mine on from early/mid 2008 (8v until mid last year), and it's still attached to the 16v now, ready to go in a mate's car. That's having done a load of hard launches on the 1/4 mile, and a load of trackdays. All that it's got is a slight whine in 1st (which i'm adamant it had since I bought the box).