Can a tuned vtr beat a standard vts?!

  1. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 Lurgan N.Ireland Posts: 102 2002 Saxo, 1.6 vtr!
    #1
    Im just wondering for a 20bhp difference is the 7 insurance groups higher really worth it?? If you get cams, new manifold etc etc what can you get a vtr up too?? sorry if tat sounds stupid but ive always wanted to know!! & who better to ask than u guys!!!
  2. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Charming man Posts: 15880 Charming car
    #2
    i reckon it could but it would cost a hell of a lot to get the vtr to that stage. The money you'd spend would easily cover the extra insurance on the vts
  3. Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Costa del Wales Posts: 12393 Spam Wagon
    #3
    Depends claire,id say get a vts engine but diff people will adv you to tune the vtr,im 17 and i payed £1700 for Vtr insurance,ive recently done a vts conversion and now im paying £2500,its well worth it

    Cammed VTR with manifold etc id say about 120-130bhp ?? not that sure tho
  4. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed
    #4
    Put simply yea, but the amount you would pay for the mods and declaring them would probably be more/the same as a standard VTS plus extra insurance, and the VTS 16v lump will have more potentil overall, its basically all about how deep your pockets are
  5. Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2006 Essex - Harlow Posts: 889 106 GTi
    #5
    VTR for the Win!
  6. Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2006 Godmanchester Posts: 165
    #6
    The mods you would have to do would make your VTR insurance even more than just buying a VTS to start of with.

    But the VTR engine can be tuned to beat a standard vts
  7. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4630
    #7
    tunes the vtr,manifold,chip-remap,full exhaust,cam's,stage 3 head,strip the car out,keep the small wheels on,but remember if you upgrade your engine sort your brakes out 2
  8. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin
    #8
    dump a 106 rally gearbox in a VTR & it will beat a 16valver! gearbox = £300 tops!
  9. Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2006 isle of wight Posts: 761 Impreza STI - Saxo GTI
    #9
    my camed VTR was running 115bhp and kept with gti/vts untill 5-6k rpm
  10. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #10
    its not all about bhp though, perhaps in straight line drags it is, but around a circuit its the ability to carry speed around corners that makes a difference.

    This is why my old 205 Rallye with 91bhp and £3500 of redesigned suspension / track tyres was faster than Gti's
  11. Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2006 isle of wight Posts: 761 Impreza STI - Saxo GTI
    #11
    you would obviously need more pull out of corners....
  12. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin
    #12
    true true but thats not the question here! add the gearbox jobs done end of! LOL
    205 rule mi16 205 are quicker than scoobie & mitzis on tracks if set up right so much fun!
  13. Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT
    #13
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WestyVTR View Post
    dump a 106 rally gearbox in a VTR & it will beat a 16valver! gearbox = £300 tops!
    will that be faster over all or just accelleration or just top end?
  14. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin
    #14
    red lines at 110mph in 5th! but rapid!!! i could pull away in 5th gear!! plays with civic type R & st170s... great mod to do, shame i blew the diff really... my bad!
  15. Newbie Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 13
    #15
    ofcouse is can! you could make a metro beat a skyline if you threw enough money at it.
  16. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 Bradford Posts: 26687 '15 Focus ST-2
    #16
    Look at Alex's (cammedvtr) for instance.

    It's a 1998 S reg with 105k on the clock. It has been cammed, decat, miltek centre section, magnex back box, pipercross modified filter and it's putting out 122bhp at the wheels - now remember thats a 8 year old with that mileage. It's easily achieveable.
  17. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin
    #17
    mines on 130k and 110bhp! with just zorst fanimold & filter no cat..
  18. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289
    #18
    Ive had a few mods done to myn manifold, full exhaust system, bmc, decat, piper 285 cam and vernier pulley, chipped and raised limiter i think it could easily see a vts off, and i think it will put a nail in the coffin once i get the remap done on saturday
  19. Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT
    #19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stiffler69 View Post
    Ive had a few mods done to myn manifold, full exhaust system, bmc, decat, piper 285 cam and vernier pulley, chipped and raised limiter i think it could easily see a vts off, and i think it will put a nail in the coffin once i get the remap done on saturday
    wish i had taken you up on your offer for a drive now, lol
  20. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289
    #20
    lol she was running sh***ty back then ive had it the garage today had the vernier pulley fitted and tappets and timing set up and tweaked feels alot more responsive
  21. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr
    #21
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Luke View Post
    Look at Alex's (cammedvtr) for instance.

    It's a 1998 S reg with 105k on the clock. It has been cammed, decat, miltek centre section, magnex back box, pipercross modified filter and it's putting out 122bhp at the wheels - now remember thats a 8 year old with that mileage. It's easily achieveable.
    fly fly fly
  22. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500
    #22
    If it was my money, IMO only:

    I would lightly tune the 8v engine, Airfilter, Manifold exhaust then just enjoy the car for 6-12months by this time you then wish to sourch a 16v lump or simply move onto somethin completely different?

    After a year of drivin your insurance should have dropped then take it from there. The 8v engine is a great little motor its a shame most people look straight past it in favour of the 16v.

    In simple, play with it for a while then see what happens after a year of driving
  23. East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS
    #23
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VTS_16v_Boy View Post
    If it was my money, IMO only:

    I would lightly tune the 8v engine, Airfilter, Manifold exhaust then just enjoy the car for 6-12months by this time you then wish to sourch a 16v lump or simply move onto somethin completely different?

    After a year of drivin your insurance should have dropped then take it from there. The 8v engine is a great little motor its a shame most people look straight past it in favour of the 16v.

    In simple, play with it for a while then see what happens after a year of driving
    ^^^^This is very good advice imo^^^^


    Im sure cammedvtr got something like 122bhp from his VTR, iirc mods were manifold, induction kit, decat, straight through exhaust system, cams and a re-map! there may be something im missing but thats all i remember. so yes it can be done, nice to see someone doing something different though rather than ust dumping a VTS engine in there!
  24. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 Lurgan N.Ireland Posts: 102 2002 Saxo, 1.6 vtr!
    #24
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stiffler69 View Post
    Ive had a few mods done to myn manifold, full exhaust system, bmc, decat, piper 285 cam and vernier pulley, chipped and raised limiter i think it could easily see a vts off, and i think it will put a nail in the coffin once i get the remap done on saturday
    Wow!! did this not cost you a fortune?? well if im honest i wudnt declare the mods on my insurance one min im like ok ill get a vtr then next im like no a vts!!! lol

    oooh i dunno!! suppose ill just have to wait and see what the funds are li9ke when the time comes!
  25. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 Lurgan N.Ireland Posts: 102 2002 Saxo, 1.6 vtr!
    #25
    The only problem is im goin to uni next yr and i wont be able to get anything new until im finished. So i was thinkin of getting the vts and usin my loan to help!! I would have the money if my insurance is a max of £2500 and hopefully itll go down a gd bit after a few yrs!! but like i said im now on for the vts but 10mins later ill change my mind!!! lol
  26. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500
    #26
    Its alot of extra insurance just for that extra bhp, at the end of the day its your money but I really feel that even a VTR with a Induction Kit and a Cat Back exhaust would give you as much excitment as a standard VTS besides how long could you keep a Standard car for?

    I couldnt, I went from two cars down to one and swore I would leave it alone but take a look at the list under my signature . . . didnt stay standard for long.

    Would save or student loan for more improtant things like housing and beer :-)
  27. Established Member Joined: May 2005 Northern Ireland Posts: 1020 EVO 5, 306XLD
    #27
    i had a simota enclosed, supersprint 4-2-1 manifold and a supersprint backbox on my old vtr, last time it was r/r it made around 109 bhp (it was 90 standard) was a great improvement over standard but my vts now which is standard would still kill it, i would take the advice above and do all the breathing mods.. enjoy it for a while then move on thats what i did..
  28. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 East Yorkshire United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6169 VTR
    #28
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by S34MER View Post
    ^^^^This is very good advice imo^^^^


    Im sure cammedvtr got something like 122bhp from his VTR, iirc mods were manifold, induction kit, decat, straight through exhaust system, cams and a re-map! there may be something im missing but thats all i remember. so yes it can be done, nice to see someone doing something different though rather than ust dumping a VTS engine in there!
    Luke posted Alex's spec on page 1, its 122bhp at fly without remap
  29. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289
    #29
    What cam is he using aswell i think its only a fast road not a rallaye/race one so its a lower lift too aint it and thats impressive bhp!
  30. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI
    #30
    When comparing engines there is a lot more to think about than BHP. Consider torque, and more importantly, torque spread