Induction Kit?

  1. L-plater Joined: Nov 2006 Lurgan N.Ireland Posts: 40 1.0 Corsa B, 2001 Phase 2 1.6i Sax
    #1
    im going 2 get an induction kit for my vtr but im na 2 sure which one wud b the best 4 performance can anyone help me out?
  2. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150
    #2
    bmc, green cotton enclosed
  3. L-plater Joined: Nov 2006 Lurgan N.Ireland Posts: 40 1.0 Corsa B, 2001 Phase 2 1.6i Sax
    #3
    Green cotten enclosed seems 2 b the best was readin up bout it cheers!
  4. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #4
    The Green ones are well made .. get some good results too
  5. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500
    #5
    Basically it works along the lines of:

    Open Cone filters - K&N Pipercross Green - Good sound small increase in performance

    enclosed Filters - Scoops, BMC, Vipers etc - small sound Good increase in performance

    In terms of preformance both Open AND Enclosed need a good cold air feed to supply the filters with cold air. You could have the best engine in the world but if your sucking Hot air its all a waste.

    Do your homework on different brands and prices too, start off with agood old eBay search with 'saxo induction' and '106 induction'.

    Scoops for the 106 won't fit with work because of the different slam panel but simple cones are ok to switch cross platform, Ive got a 106GTi on my VTS and its fine.

    Don't expect to see a massive gain unless its complimented by an decent exhaust system but the engine will feel more revy and the sound will make you feel like your going faster than your are :-) and theres nothin wrong with that!
  6. Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Grantham, Lincs Posts: 1272 mk2 vtr
    #6
    sorry bit of a hi jack

    would a bmc off a vts fit on a vtr???

    any help would be great

    thanks
  7. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #7
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saxovtrandy View Post
    sorry bit of a hi jack

    would a bmc off a vts fit on a vtr???

    any help would be great

    thanks
    i got told yes but some extra piping is required! and you need a breather filter for the top of the engine or if you get custom made piping you can ge thte pipe made to fit so you dont need a breather filter.... i will try find a pic for you!

    oh and the bmc code is CDA70130 I think
  8. Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Grantham, Lincs Posts: 1272 mk2 vtr
    #8
    stevey - yeah if you could mate that would be great thanks
  9. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #9

    This one is a bmc with an oil breather on (98bhp VTR)
    Picture posted by hesslevtr

    Same with this (90bhp VTR)

    Picture Posted By Stiffler69

    One with a the breather pipe going into the hose from the bmc... (90bhp VTR)

    Posted By Landy

    Hope this helps! There is a thread kicking around with some engine photos in. Thats where those photos are from.
  10. Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Grantham, Lincs Posts: 1272 mk2 vtr
    #10
    so all i need is a little breather to put on to the oil breather pipe??
  11. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr
    #11
    ooo my engine looks so dirty there
  12. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #12
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saxovtrandy View Post
    so all i need is a little breather to put on to the oil breather pipe??
    yeah or you could get some custom hosing made up....

    Click Me
    Then just do seach by car, citroen, then saxo.... Tells you the part numbers....
    where is has part numbers click mounting note, it alsso has a picture
  13. Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Grantham, Lincs Posts: 1272 mk2 vtr
    #13
    cool thanks alot for that matey
  14. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #14
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saxovtrandy View Post
    cool thanks alot for that matey
    welcome hope it helps!
  15. Newbie Joined: Nov 2006 Barnet Posts: 7 Nova GTE VW Polo 1.4 16V Saxo VTR
    #15
    Hi I am prity shure the best 1 out is the Piper Cross Viper Stage 2,it will give u the best performance + it will make it sound realy good,I av 1 on my VTR and it ads bout 25bhp on top so that is the 1 I would recomend.Ross27
  16. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150
    #16
    25bhp? any proof of this?
  17. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ross27 View Post
    Hi I am prity shure the best 1 out is the Piper Cross Viper Stage 2,it will give u the best performance + it will make it sound realy good,I av 1 on my VTR and it ads bout 25bhp on top so that is the 1 I would recomend.Ross27
    25bhp? jesus!

    think proof is needed! i would say more around 5... no expert but that does seem high!
  18. Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Grantham, Lincs Posts: 1272 mk2 vtr
    #18
    that sounds very steep for an induction kit!!!!

    proof def needs to be provided
  19. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2006 stalybridge! Posts: 2550 1 series
    #19
    yeah 25 is a lot - doesnt sound it but it is ... what does the oil breather filter do?
  20. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #20
    unfortunately no filter will give a 25bhp gain.

    The oil breather just vents the crankcase gases to atmosphere..
    hold on let me just quote myself from my website lol

    Quote:
    In O/e breather systems without a crankcase breather filter; a mixture of oil and water vapour is directed from the engine block and burnt within the combustion chamber.

    While an essential part of lowering engine emissions this vapour reduces the octane rating of the fuel mixture, with a corresponding reduction in performance.

    Breather filters are used in performance engines to vent contaminated oil and water vapour directly into the atmosphere.
  21. Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2006 United Kingdom Posts: 435
    #21
    thats quite technical kam-racing. now translate! lol. im sure the 25bhp, meant to be typed 5bhp.
  22. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec
    #22
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KamRacing View Post
    unfortunately no filter will give a 25bhp gain.

    The oil breather just vents the crankcase gases to atmosphere..
    which is illegal, although highly unlikely you'd ever be pulled up about it come mot time. not seen many 'performance' engines run those shite little breather filters to be honest, all the cosworths i've seen run catch tanks.
  23. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr
    #23
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    which is illegal, although highly unlikely you'd ever be pulled up about it come mot time. not seen many 'performance' engines run those shite little breather filters to be honest, all the cosworths i've seen run catch tanks.
    my engine runs a little breather thingy

    asnd i consider mine to be a performance engine

    your right though
  24. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #24
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    which is illegal, although highly unlikely you'd ever be pulled up about it come mot time. not seen many 'performance' engines run those shite little breather filters to be honest, all the cosworths i've seen run catch tanks.
    catch tanks vent to atmosphere. Same thing just condenses the oil vapour before it sprays all over the engine bay. My engine has a catch tank with a green breather filter on top
  25. L-plater Joined: Nov 2006 Lurgan N.Ireland Posts: 40 1.0 Corsa B, 2001 Phase 2 1.6i Sax
    #25
    Thanks 4 da feed back! hopefully shud be gettin an induction kit after xmas i'l let ya's know how it goes!
  26. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec
    #26
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KamRacing View Post
    catch tanks vent to atmosphere. Same thing just condenses the oil vapour before it sprays all over the engine bay. My engine has a catch tank with a green breather filter on top
    yes it does but the whole point of a catch tank is to separate oil vapour from crankcase gasses. technically they all should vent back into the inlet (note the use of 'technically'?)Proper catch tanks (Bailey, Mocal, Spec-R) don't have a breather but instead vent back into the inlet as if the tank has done it's job there is no oil vapour to clog vacuum lines etc. but even so a breather filter on top of a catch tank does not vent oil vapour to atmosphere the way a breather filter fitted directly onto a breather pipe does (which is 100% illegal).
  27. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #27
    those breather filters are illegal?!
  28. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec
    #28
    yes! it's illegal to vent oil vapour directly to atmosphere. i've honestly lost count of the number of times this has been posted now
  29. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2006 Bonnyrigg/Edinburgh Posts: 255 Blue Saxo VTR
    #29
    Can anybody help me on this, my brother had a 1.4 quicksilver pug 106 and had a viper induction kit for it, can anybody tell me if that would fit my vtr?
  30. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2006 Dunfermline, Scotland Posts: 185 Black Mk2 VTR
    #30
    Sorry to continue this post but really need the following help...

    My mate had a vtr but sold it, he put a kit on but im not sure what one it was. maybe a K&N cone. The sound off this badboy was insane and i really need one.

    Bought a vtr few weeks ago, standard and would like a very loud induction kit on it. Power gains doesnt matter tht much. Any ideas much appreciated & i'll go out 2moro and buy one lol.
  31. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #31
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    Proper catch tanks (Bailey, Mocal, Spec-R) don't have a breather but instead vent back into the inlet as if the tank has done it's job there is no oil vapour to clog vacuum lines etc
    the way my car is set up is standard practice at all levels of motorsport.
    No vapour is vented back to the inlet.

    Its not allowed on the road/ though I have never seen a car pulled up on this.
  32. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500
    #32
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Simpson_Sax View Post
    Sorry to continue this post but really need the following help...

    My mate had a vtr but sold it, he put a kit on but im not sure what one it was. maybe a K&N cone. The sound off this badboy was insane and i really need one.

    Bought a vtr few weeks ago, standard and would like a very loud induction kit on it. Power gains doesnt matter tht much. Any ideas much appreciated & i'll go out 2moro and buy one lol.
    Pretty much any Cone filter will give a 'induction' roar, take alook on eBay under 'saxo induction' and '106 induction' as their pretty much the same car as far as induction kits are concerned. If your bit braver why not sourch a universal cone either Cotton (K&N, Green, Jetex) Foam (Pipercross) or Stainless steel mess (Blitz, Quickshift) then buy some polished pipin and silicone hosing from www.espdesign.co.uk

    All open filters need a supply of cold air, tubing is normally supplied with most branded kits these are cold air feeds, universal cones wont come with tubing but it can be picked up in halfords or any motor parts shop.
  33. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2006 Dunfermline, Scotland Posts: 185 Black Mk2 VTR
    #33
    Cheers for tht. I had a green cotton in my 1.1 and it didnt seem to be tht good. yeh sure it was a 1.1 but just they seem to be such a subject at the moment lol.
    It wood just be a open cone like the green. think a k&n would be good? What abt the 'universal' ones out of halfords at 35quid? Heard there pretty descent.
  34. East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS
    #34
    if you search first you will find the answer your looking for no problem, this topic is covered over and over and over again daily!
  35. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #35
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Simpson_Sax View Post
    Cheers for tht. I had a green cotton in my 1.1 and it didnt seem to be tht good. yeh sure it was a 1.1 but just they seem to be such a subject at the moment lol.
    It wood just be a open cone like the green. think a k&n would be good? What abt the 'universal' ones out of halfords at 35quid? Heard there pretty descent.
    whatever you go for and afix to a 1.1 you won't get big gains.