Which Exhaust System

1. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #1 2nd January 2007, 22:08

   well decided am going to keep my vtr! and the pipe running into the backbox has rusted away and now blowing, instead of replacing i mayswel fit a performance exhaust...
   this has been asked (i am guessing) millions of times....
   i want most performance and a raspy sound, don't want it really loud, just suttle and louder when i boot it.... dont really like the deep tone.
   got a really tight budget.... so good quality at a good price £250 was sort of my thinking, possibly thats too tight.
   
   
   any ideas?
   
   doesn't neccesary need to be a full system, just ideas needed eg de-cat, back box etc.
   
   oh its a mk2 90bhp with the cat under the car. and i if i have money to spare will get a 4 - 2- 1 manifold!
   
   rep awaits!
2. stevenixon Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Donnington, Derby Posts: 120 Saxo VTS 167bhp

   #2 2nd January 2007, 22:36

   mines a powerflow and it sounds sexual!
3. lavo-vts Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 derbyshire Posts: 3515 mk1 vts (ETW Mercury Grey)

   #3 2nd January 2007, 22:42

   yeah powerflow, i got one aswell raspy as fook when engine is cold. 240quid usual powerflow system
4. boz Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2005 somewhere on this planet, doing something..... around northumberland or in the middle of the sea Posts: 8774 Mk2 VTS track mk1 turbo vts scooby engined 2CV

   #4 2nd January 2007, 22:50

   get on the phone to abp motorsport.
   get a single box magnex stainless system, it sounds awesome, it has been designed for abp race cars by magnex. sits nice and high under the car so it never catches, my vtr was down 60mm and it never caurght speed bumps etc.
   
   i have it on my vts now with the de-cat and its mint. has a 3.5" tailpipe and just one box at the rear. was £289.99 when i got it a few years ago.
   
   carnt recommend it enough lol
5. godfridge Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 155 Mk1 Saxo vtr

   #5 3rd January 2007, 03:33

   get the small oval powerflow back box setup with a straight through centre pipe, maniflod and decatted will make it raspy as fuk with loud crisp pops when u drop gear
6. VTS_16v_Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500

   #6 3rd January 2007, 07:56

   Check out www.tuning.co.uk they offer a sportex 4-2-1 Mild Steel manifold £139 with a 2year guarantee (which you won't get from a eBay specail I'll bet) with a bit of Exhaust Heat Wrap you or anyone else with know its now a Stainless Steel jobie.
   
   Also take alook at http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/catalog...1385_1401_1402 these are 'Ashley Style' exhaust systems in Mild Steel, a twin box system (some people will arguee better for back pressure) Phase2 with a 3" tail pipe £114 ! ! !
   
   So well within your budget, as to sound . . . not sure but lets face it for that money thats a bargin and don't think Mild Steel will fall apart after 5mins. Ive had a full Janspeed setup for a year now and apart from being to quiet its fine!
   
   Nice alterative to a custom job :-)
7. VTS_16v_Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500

   #7 3rd January 2007, 08:00

   Whoops almost forgot. . .
   
   Like mentioned above with a Manifold and decat your see the most gains in performance and will also your get the poppin on down changes :-)
   
   The system above allows for the option to keep the cat or replace it with a bypass pipe. remember Mr MoT will want to see the cat back for MoT time so make sure you keep it safe if you remove it :-)
8. fredjudd Established Member Joined: Aug 2006 Salisbury Posts: 1118 Saxo VTR full Janspeed exhuast (4-2

   #8 3rd January 2007, 09:56

   Janspeed no question.
   
   click me for a video of my car running janspeed exhuast
9. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

   #9 3rd January 2007, 10:00

   I didn't know that the ABP system sat higher *gutted* I was looking at one of those but opted for the standard catch on everything Magnex.
10. VTS_16v_Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500

    #10 3rd January 2007, 10:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fredjudd Janspeed no question. click me for a video of my car running janspeed exhuast

    ^^^
    
    Yep, Id agree with that, but not sure a brand new system will fall within his budget - But I would rather go Janspeed than Magnex just because of the Size of the rear silencer . . . Its just silly BIG
11. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #11 3rd January 2007, 12:39

    are powerflows good enough? thinking about going for one of them....
    so whats the centre section? the part from the cat back e.g mid silencer + piping to the back box?
12. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #12 3rd January 2007, 12:43

    Performance wise Id say there not the best but if you want something different then give them ago although make sure its a decent one as there are more bad ones then good.
13. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #13 3rd January 2007, 12:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ets2k9 Performance wise Id say there not the best but if you want something different then give them ago although make sure its a decent one as there are more bad ones then good.

    what would you suggest performance wise?
14. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #14 3rd January 2007, 12:46

    I'd suggest searching mate as there's a thousand different views and threads on this subject it'll save you time in the long run.
    
    I have a magnex on mine with raceland 421 I'm happy with this setup.
15. VTS_16v_Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500

    #15 3rd January 2007, 14:14

    Basically your exhaust is split up into 4 sections
    
    1: Manifold - This bolts to the head and takes the gases from each cyclinder and puts them together so they can go down your exhaust
    
    2: Cat - This is like a filter for the exhaust taking some of the harmfull elements out of the gases making it more enviromently friendly, since 1994 these have to be on the car for the MoT
    
    3: Center Section - This part links the front part of the exhaust to the rear part, manufactures put a silencer in to bring noise levels down (some put more in)
    
    4: Back Box - this is the last silencer before the gase leaves the exhaust this includes your tailpipe.
    
    
    All the bits are designed to be changed if damaged and manufactures design the system so its quiet, cheap and replaceable. Performance exhausts are less silenced hence giving better gas follow.
    
    All the parts can be changed on the Saxo for perfomance uprated parts that will do the job better than OE items. 4-2-1 manifolds help the gases move smother and quicker out the head, sports cats have less filter cells to slow the gas flow, decats are just a pipe that replaces the cat and a performace exhaust simply lets the gas out quicker with the added bonus of a unsilenced exhaust note.
    
    The faster you can get the gas out the faster you can get fuel in to burn.
    
    Simple :-)
16. Chuffy Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 Motherwell Posts: 1885 Focus tdi, S2000 (weekend willy)

    #16 3rd January 2007, 14:26

    are peco systems any good?
17. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #17 3rd January 2007, 14:27

    Peco are no good IMO
18. VTS_16v_Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500

    #18 3rd January 2007, 15:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Chuffy are peco systems any good?

    Peco have been going for Yonks, they make good direct fit back boxes for a vast range of cars. Admittaly they are more for show and noise than out right performance but if your runnin a base model or simpley want a direct fit back box Peco are fine.
    
    Ive had about 4 Peco's in my time on different cars and have never had any problems.
    
    Id recommend them to anyone whos on a budget, some people lable them directly with chav-mobiles but thats only beacuse they are cheap, large and loud
19. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #19 3rd January 2007, 20:59

    what are REMUS like? junction26m1 shop on ebay does the full system for £208. or a magnex for £261. there normally 286 for the magnex arnt they? plus i will be getting a de-cat pipe.... just want best performance for my budget....
    need some more opinions....
    
    oh and there is a sportx for £169 Click and these are located not far from me but heard bad reviews about them.....
20. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #20 3rd January 2007, 21:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by boz get on the phone to abp motorsport. get a single box magnex stainless system, it sounds awesome, it has been designed for abp race cars by magnex. sits nice and high under the car so it never catches, my vtr was down 60mm and it never caurght speed bumps etc. i have it on my vts now with the de-cat and its mint. has a 3.5" tailpipe and just one box at the rear. was £289.99 when i got it a few years ago. carnt recommend it enough lol

    did you get much performance?
21. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

    #21 3rd January 2007, 21:10

    I was at ABP yesterday and there magnex system looks lush, it sounded really good on one of the staffs cars. they were £289.99. they look really good mate.
22. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #22 3rd January 2007, 21:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thadogg I was at ABP yesterday and there magnex system looks lush, it sounded really good on one of the staffs cars. they were £289.99. they look really good mate.

    cheers, was wanting something more raspy mainly want performance, not expecting massive gains but dont want to loose any
    matter of money really. could afford £261 for the magnex.
23. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #23 3rd January 2007, 21:53

    you browsing my thread richard? what exhaust you getting?
24. boz Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2005 somewhere on this planet, doing something..... around northumberland or in the middle of the sea Posts: 8774 Mk2 VTS track mk1 turbo vts scooby engined 2CV

    #24 3rd January 2007, 22:00

    have a listen to mine mate, meet up sometime. its the single box abp magnex design stainless 289.99, i have a de-cat and 4-2-1 fanimold. bangs pops farts and coughs when hot going down the gears or easing off the gas
    good for performance too
25. Richie2104VTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2006 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 2770 VTARRRR/S

    #25 3rd January 2007, 22:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Stevey you browsing my thread richard? what exhaust you getting?

    
    Yes i am browsing your thread. Im getting a scorpion system young steven!!
26. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #26 3rd January 2007, 22:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Richie2104VTR Yes i am browsing your thread. Im getting a scorpion system young steven!!

    sort of price?
    
    i am 2 weeks older than you
27. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #27 3rd January 2007, 22:05

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by boz have a listen to mine mate, meet up sometime. its the single box abp magnex design stainless 289.99, i have a de-cat and 4-2-1 fanimold. bangs pops farts and coughs when hot going down the gears or easing off the gas good for performance too

    haha, you got any pics? get them posted you going to the next meet?
    was wanting one on by then as got a hole in the pipe leading to back box just as it connects to the back box.
28. boz Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2005 somewhere on this planet, doing something..... around northumberland or in the middle of the sea Posts: 8774 Mk2 VTS track mk1 turbo vts scooby engined 2CV

    #28 4th January 2007, 23:36

    im off to russia again on the 10th of jan until the 4th of feb, so wont be at any meets unless there is a one this weekend lol
    
    PM me if you want to meet up before i go, you can see, hear the exhaust. maybe have a blast
    
    been the best exhaust ive ever had, carnt big it up enough lol
    
    boz
29. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #29 5th January 2007, 08:13

    ive had the exhaust on within the last 4 months
    
    1) Piper 4 inch mild back box mild steel exhaust really good bit of kit got rid as it was 2 loud lol
    
    2) OMP rally exhaust.. really good gave lots of lower down torque. a nice sound just 2 quiet
    
    3) My latest one is a ashley exhaust... am oh my god what a difference, its fooking fantastic... class sound and you defo can notice the difference
    
    WWW.MOTORSPORTWORLD.CO.UK is the best place to buy
    
    The piper was ?246
    The OMP was ?300 form ebay
    The Ashley was ?222.06
    
    Money wise looks and noise i would say get a ashley all day every day
    
    
    ________
    NEW MEXICO MEDICAL MARIJUANA
30. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #30 6th January 2007, 10:52

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by boz im off to russia again on the 10th of jan until the 4th of feb, so wont be at any meets unless there is a one this weekend lol PM me if you want to meet up before i go, you can see, hear the exhaust. maybe have a blast been the best exhaust ive ever had, carnt big it up enough lol boz

    will do when you get back cheers
31. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #31 6th January 2007, 10:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeroybrown ive had the exhaust on within the last 4 months 1) Piper 4 inch mild back box mild steel exhaust really good bit of kit got rid as it was 2 loud lol 2) OMP rally exhaust.. really good gave lots of lower down torque. a nice sound just 2 quiet 3) My latest one is a ashley exhaust... am oh my god what a difference, its fooking fantastic... class sound and you defo can notice the difference WWW.MOTORSPORTWORLD.CO.UK is the best place to buy The piper was £246 The OMP was £300 form ebay The Ashley was £222.06 Money wise looks and noise i would say get a ashley all day every day

    
    i heard ashleys are really loud, want something subtle then when i unlesh hell it is louder but prefer the raspy sound to a deeper down tone.
32. ABP L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 nantwich Posts: 80 Citroen Saxo VTR '03 BMW 330D Touring

    #32 9th January 2007, 12:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by boz get on the phone to abp motorsport. get a single box magnex stainless system, it sounds awesome, it has been designed for abp race cars by magnex. sits nice and high under the car so it never catches, my vtr was down 60mm and it never caurght speed bumps etc. i have it on my vts now with the de-cat and its mint. has a 3.5" tailpipe and just one box at the rear. was £289.99 when i got it a few years ago. carnt recommend it enough lol

    Hi everyone,
    
    Its Dave here from ABP MOTORSPORT.
    
    Iv still got these systems in stock, i run one on my VTR and its the best system iv used on the Saxo. I have got them on an offer at the moment at £270.00 including VAT which will fit all VTS and VTR`s up to 2000 year. The 2001 onwards VTR`s need a link pipe which is £69.00 including VAT on top.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Dave Roberts
    www.abpmotorsport.co.uk
    dave@abpmotorsport.co.uk
    01270 567177
33. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #33 9th January 2007, 12:28

    r-tec do them for £254 delivered including vat.......... thats 96-00
34. sim69er South Wales Joined: Jan 2005 The Valley's init Posts: 3601 vtr mk2

    #34 9th January 2007, 12:29

    you could go custom and for £250 you can get a cat back system fitted and you can chose the not of the system,
    
    ring longlife on 02920473131 and ask for a price
35. ABP L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 nantwich Posts: 80 Citroen Saxo VTR '03 BMW 330D Touring

    #35 9th January 2007, 13:43

    They seem to be advertising the system at the old price at the moment which will change soon if it hasnt already in their shop. The system that they supply is plus carriage and it comes as a standard Magnex system with the silencer in the centre section, as they cant supply the system that Magnex make for ourselves. Im sorry that i cant match anything on their old price since Magnex have only just had a price change. The Magnex sytem retail price is now £299.99 including VAT.
    
    Regards,
    
    Dave Roberts
    www.abpmotorsport.co.uk
    dave@abpmotorsport.co.uk
    01270 567177
36. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #36 9th January 2007, 13:52

    I say a standard magnex system.....I have one for sale £200 less than 500 miles covered.
    
    
    Shameless I know
37. ABP L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 nantwich Posts: 80 Citroen Saxo VTR '03 BMW 330D Touring

    #37 9th January 2007, 14:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ets2k9 I say a standard magnex system.....I have one for sale £200 less than 500 miles covered. Shameless I know

    That sounds like a good buy for someone!
    
    Im just upgrading the manifold on mine and going for the Ashley Race manifold to see how well they perform. We used to deal with these years and years ago and havent heard anything from them for a few years, but they got in touch with us and said that the quality is alot better and and so is the gas flow. I will soon find out hey.
    
    Is everyone else running performance manifolds yet?
    
    Regards,
    
    Dave Roberts
    www.abpmotorsport.co.uk
    dave@abpmotorsport.co.uk
    01270 567177
38. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #38 9th January 2007, 14:51

    I also have a raceland manifold which I have had no problems with this is also forsale
    
    Seriously though I here good things about the GMC manifold although there a more expensive than most.
39. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

    #39 9th January 2007, 15:00

    What sort of power gains can be expected from a manifold? around 8-10 or is it less than this? I assume it differs depending on the make?
40. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #40 9th January 2007, 15:08

    You get 500bhp if you by mine*
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    *This may be utter bullshit.
41. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

    #41 9th January 2007, 15:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ets2k9 You get 500bhp if you by mine* *This may be utter bullshit.

    Legend!!!
42. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #42 9th January 2007, 15:11

    Not at spelling though
43. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

    #43 9th January 2007, 15:16

    TBH don't think I'd be able to put a mani on my car, because the insurance company would bend me over!
44. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #44 9th January 2007, 15:24

    Dont tell them they'll never know.
45. saxoash Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 East Yorkshire United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6169 VTR

    #45 9th January 2007, 15:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ets2k9 Dont tell them they'll never know.

    Bad ets!!! Bad ets!!!!
46. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

    #46 9th January 2007, 15:32

    I'll be honest it has crossed my mind, but its not worth gettin caught out.
47. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #47 9th January 2007, 15:44

    How would they catch you? just keep the original heat shield on it spray it black or another discreet colour.
    
    Go you know you want to void your insurance.....
48. thadogg Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Buxton, Derbyshire Posts: 1801 Impreza Sti PPP

    #48 9th January 2007, 15:59

    They probs wouldn't catch you, but if they did it would be game over, lol!