Running a rallye inlet manifold

1. Jackman Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.

   #1 13th January 2007, 16:49

   does anyone know weather if i was to stick a rallye inlet manifold on my car weather id need my ecu mapped. or would it run without any problems?
   
   thanks.
2. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #2 13th January 2007, 16:55

   it wouls run like a bag of shite.
   ive only known of 2 s2 rallyes (vtr engine basically) running ok with the inlet, involves some ball ache, and haveboth had ecu remapped.
   
   not worth the probs imo unless you have patience.
3. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #3 13th January 2007, 17:10

   if you wish to still go ahead though, pm me or join the RR will be alot of info there on this.
4. AlexR Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2004 Kunt & Sorrey Posts: 5763 Rep mobiles & Joes ma

   #4 13th January 2007, 17:11

   Wouldn't bother, can lose power even after remap, it does however allow better idle with steep cam grind and if you run a race engine it will be beneficial at really high revs due to the oversized throttle body
5. Jackman Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.

   #5 13th January 2007, 17:38

   ahh. ill give it a try anyway can always take it back off if its not going right and then i can sell it.
6. Jackman Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.

   #6 14th January 2007, 10:38

   ive just been reading up on the RR and it seems that you can get it to run fine even without a remap. so i plan to go ahead with this next weekend probably.
   
   ill post up how it goes just incase anyone is intrested. never know.
7. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #7 14th January 2007, 14:21

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Jackman ive just been reading up on the RR and it seems that you can get it to run fine even without a remap. so i plan to go ahead with this next weekend probably. ill post up how it goes just incase anyone is intrested. never know.

   it is very unlikely that you will get it to run very well without a remap though, and i hope you do have another car to use when yours is off the road fitting this, as if anything goes wrong it may take a while to fix.
8. stiffler69 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289

   #8 14th January 2007, 15:50

   I would buy it like yesterday since my car needs to go back to get the map tweaked anyway it would be so good for me let me know thanks
9. Jackman Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.

   #9 14th January 2007, 17:32

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 it is very unlikely that you will get it to run very well without a remap though, and i hope you do have another car to use when yours is off the road fitting this, as if anything goes wrong it may take a while to fix.

   i dont understand why its so difficult. i know of a few s2 rallyes with them that havent had remaps and run fine.
10. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #10 14th January 2007, 17:37

    after having a s2 engine with s1 inlet, albeit breifly, it was interesting, the idle was all over the place and needed to be held at 1k until warm. alex did have a look after and decided that the previous owner had totally fudged the wiring...
    
    which is the thing from reading about it on RR over the last year or so, the different problems people have had.
11. Jackman Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.

    #11 14th January 2007, 18:07

    Right i see. well i can do it and say i tried if it doesnt go well. thanks for the advice
12. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #12 14th January 2007, 18:33

    not a problem, hope it works out well for you. it does give a nice inlet noise
13. G187 Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2004 Hayes, Middlesex Posts: 758 MK1 VTR

    #13 18th January 2007, 18:13

    i've fitted this recently to my vtr thanks to some help from dan (from RR), and its running perfect at 1000 revs, i've been told though to get more gains out of it you will need a remap
14. VTS_16v_Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500

    #14 19th January 2007, 07:58

    So is the S2 Rallye inlet manifold a direct swap for a VTR then?
    
    I was under the impression although the R and Rallye have different cams and few other bits they were pretty much the same lump . . . or am I totally wrong?
15. G187 Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2004 Hayes, Middlesex Posts: 758 MK1 VTR

    #15 19th January 2007, 11:46

    not sure mate, i was told that the s2 rallye inlet and vtr one are almost the same though
16. Scottp Administrator Joined: Dec 2002 Glasgow United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 26097 Chelski Traktor

    #16 19th January 2007, 11:56

    will only fit directly onto black top vtr.
17. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #17 19th January 2007, 12:55

    I will do a write up on this later done it one my furio
18. G187 Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2004 Hayes, Middlesex Posts: 758 MK1 VTR

    #18 19th January 2007, 15:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scott will only fit directly onto black top vtr.

    thats weird, it went onto my silvertop
19. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #19 19th January 2007, 15:55

    It will fit early silvertops no problems. Easy way to tell port spacing is like this:
    
    Black top and early silver top have 6 bolts holding the inlet on 4 ontop 2 on bottom.
    
    Later silvertops had 3 ontop and 2 on bottom.
    
    If yours is the earlier described it will fit
20. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #20 20th January 2007, 16:28

    should work fire if done correctly --will not give a major power increase till other mods done --its not the reason why that engine was 100bhp and the blacktop was 90
21. G187 Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2004 Hayes, Middlesex Posts: 758 MK1 VTR

    #21 20th January 2007, 17:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by axsaxoman --will not give a major power increase till other mods done--

    what other mods mate?
22. user_13343 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 south wales area Posts: 170 ax cascade ax debut - track/rally

    #22 20th January 2007, 23:21

    why not just fit the engine as well which came with the mani on?
23. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #23 20th January 2007, 23:45

    I know from experience that the rallye inlet just sounds nice... you'll need a re-map to see any gain as the car will still fuel for VTR airflow... my mate has a gti AX with one on and thats the only real difference between his car and mine and we are neck and neck at Santa pod .001 of a sec difference in favour of the rallye inlet
24. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #24 21st January 2007, 13:51

    cam ,ex manifld etc,head work etc