VTR Performance Upgrade & Tuning

  1. L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 37
    #1
    Hi there, im new to this forum and have just got my VTR. It’s an 02 plate and has a straight through exhaust system (decat). No induction kit or anything else.

    Could you knowledgeable guys help me out please?

    I want it to reach a higher BHP, and would like to know how to do this... I noticed you said about CAMS, Superchargers etc. then an ecu remap....

    But what price are we talking for 130ish bhp?

    Do you guys have any links to websites that do these services? Or could you explain to me exactly what parts to buy? Where from and how much for?

    Im a noob when it comes to Tuning modern cars!

    Thanks guys
  2. Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Prestwick Posts: 952 Saxo VTR mk2
    #2
    If you want 130 bhp you'd be best putting a vts engine in, will probably be cheaper than modifying the vtr with cams etc to reach that power. And by the time you've modified the vtr to that power you'll be paying the same, if not more for insurance, as a vts.
  3. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr
    #3
    hi and welcome

    right how much money have you got to spend first

    and il list some mods for you
  4. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2006 Manchester Posts: 295 Focus RS 260 bhp
    #4
    Get an electric turbo charger of ebay, they are brill for £200
  5. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Charming man Posts: 15880 Charming car
    #5
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vtscotty View Post
    Get an electric turbo charger of ebay, they are brill for £200
    ban him!
  6. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2006 Manchester Posts: 295 Focus RS 260 bhp
    #6
    Sorry minty only jokin pal, electric turbos a sh1t and should be band!!!
  7. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500
    #7
    Hi and Welcome to Saxp Hope you enjoy your stay mate :-)

    Ok, the way I see it you have 2 options

    1 - Stick with the 8v, compliment the exhaust with a sports manifold to get the gases out of the head quicker. A good quality Induction kit to get the gases into the head quicker. Then finally a good cam and remap of the ECU to make sure all your performance parts are doin working together.

    2 - Change over to a 16v and jump to questions ask 120bhp and then start all over again with the tuning.

    If you did change to 16v then you should still be able to keep the exhaust as its the manifold thats different.

    If insurnace of cash in general is abit tight Id simply invest in a good quality Manifold and Induction kit, enjoy the car and then look again at extra performance in a years time when your insurance drops.

    You may decide to go for a 16v lump or decide to move away from the Saxo completely.

    Different people will say dofferent things :-) but thats my opuion
  8. L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 37
    #8
    most appreciated....


    LOL to the electric turbo... thats damn funny!

    erm.... i cant go 16v becasue of insurance.... but the thought of the induction kit and manifolds sound good... for the time being....

    which are the best for performance? and what BHP will it add?

    Also money is not really an issue.... just some good ideas please.

    Thanks.
  9. Established Member Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1057
    #9
    If you are going to be a good person and declare the mods on the insurance, then you'd probably be cheaper getting a VTS engine.
  10. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #10
    Decent manifolds vary really. If it were me I would either go for a Supersprint
    one or a GMC one.
    The supersprint manifolds are known to work well with most of the saxo/106
    8v and 16v engines.
    The GMC ones are also know to be pretty decent.

    Ive noticed a lot of people have Raceland manifolds (due to them being cheaper)
    not sure on the quality of these though.

    Induction kit, I would only opt for a BMC enclosed kit. Vipers look smart but
    can be expensive.
    Stay away from open filters like the K&N 57i kit.
  11. L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 37
    #11
    Unfortunately due to my nature and my common sends I will not be declaring engine mods on the insurance.....
  12. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #12
    At least your being honest about it, I wouldnt brag about it though mate.
  13. L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 37
    #13
    sense* i put sense not bloody common sends * lol
  14. L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 37
    #14
    i know.... just sick of people saying about insurance or about dropping a VTS 16v in ive found a site with manifolds... http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pag...sub_category=1

    that ok?
  15. L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 37
    #15
    http://www.performancecentre.co.uk/p...AX01&PTC=EXJ01

    2nd one down? any good?
  16. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr
    #16
    gmc manifold and decent enclosed induction kit (bmc green etc)

    after that you will be wanting a cam headwork and re map
  17. L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 37
    #17
    how much bhp approx will that? about 5... then remap ? to about 115 - 120?
  18. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500
    #18
    Rushy made a good point, its not often you get good quality for little money.

    Its generally excepted that BMC (enclosed filter with a pipe to feed it cold air or 'cold air feed') is the best money can buy whilst keepin the standard injection system ie Not Throttle bodys or Turbos.

    You might see a slight increase from a open cone filter ie K&N but its mainly noise. It works along these terms:

    Open Filter - Noise
    Closed Filter - Performance

    As for manifolds two options here a 4-2-1 or 4-1 all this means is for the first one 4pipes (1per cyclinder) then the four go into two pipes then into one which connects to the Cat. 4-1 is the same but the 4pipes go straight into one then into the cat. Again the general rule with these is:

    4-2-1 - Lower to Mid range power increase
    4-1 - Mid to High range power increase

    Find out what your after and your be more able to find what Mod will not only suit the car but more importantly suit your driving style :-)
  19. Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Hull Posts: 11909 Beeeemer
    #19
    Hi dude,

    Im doing this to my car as we speak, i had a power run done last week and ran 109bhp with the following;

    Magnex cat back system,
    GMC 4-1 manifold,
    BMC induction kit with silicone tubing,

    I will be doing the following in the future, probally next week sometime.

    Cam, - Depends what type your wating
    Head port + polish - 200 + to be safe
    re-map if needed - 400 - 600

    Put all these 6 toghther and you shouldent have a problem hitting 130bhp if not more.
  20. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr
    #20
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Shep_Cobain View Post
    how much bhp approx will that? about 5... then remap ? to about 115 - 120?
    maybe depends on cam

    the rollers might be out so might give higher or lower figure
  21. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr
    #21
    all thes figures what are flying about is at fly by the way
  22. L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 37
    #22
    http://www.cituning.ltd.uk/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=28

    that manifold? thats a 4 - 1.... and any good?

    will someone please give me the link to a store that has the correct (high performance induction) and manifold i should be looking at?

    Thanks guys...

    Your a good help
  23. L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 37
    #23
    my mate has AX
  24. L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 37
    #24
    forget top link thats for a AX forum
  25. Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Hull Posts: 11909 Beeeemer
    #25
    Cituning are expensive for what they offer, and that manifold is for a ax. Take a read of this buddy, it will help you out. This is were i got my manifold from,

    http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/manifold.html

    Edit: Including VAT and a lamba sleeve you are looking at just below the 300 pound mark for a manifold. With your car being an 02 plate it's important you get the lamba sleeve otherwise your engine managment light will be on.
  26. L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 37
    #26
    thanks dude
  27. L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 37
    #27
    so i want this GMC 4-1 steel manifold to fit 8v cat on down pipe engines, with fitting kit - £200

    then the lambda sleeve?

    Lambda sleeve for cars with 2 lambda probes, when cat is taken off - £12

    then i add VAT?

    right then thanks.... now can someone give me the link for this excellent induction kit everyone is mentioning... the enclosed green one or something?
  28. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #28
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cloud View Post
    Hi dude,

    Im doing this to my car as we speak, i had a power run done last week and ran 109bhp with the following;

    Magnex cat back system,
    GMC 4-1 manifold,
    BMC induction kit with silicone tubing,

    I will be doing the following in the future, probally next week sometime.

    Cam, - Depends what type your wating
    Head port + polish - 200 + to be safe
    re-map if needed - 400 - 600

    Put all these 6 toghther and you shouldent have a problem hitting 130bhp if not more.
    wow - thats q respectable cloud. Im impressed.
  29. Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Hull Posts: 11909 Beeeemer
    #29
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Shep_Cobain View Post
    so i want this GMC 4-1 steel manifold to fit 8v cat on down pipe engines, with fitting kit - £200

    then the lambda sleeve?

    Lambda sleeve for cars with 2 lambda probes, when cat is taken off - £12

    then i add VAT?

    right then thanks.... now can someone give me the link for this excellent induction kit everyone is mentioning... the enclosed green one or something?
    woooo wait a second, is your car a not a 02 plate vtr?

    EDIT: i am seeing shit, sure i read it was an 02 plate lol

    tbh... i don't know if you will need the lamba sleeve if the cat was in the zaust.., Wait for hesslevtr or someone else to clarify this.
  30. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #30
    you want a raceland enclosed induction (eBay around 50 quid) and my green cotton filter
  31. L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 37
    #31
    yes 02 plate VTR 98bhp not 90
  32. L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 37
    #32
    You go a LINK?
  33. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #33
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/COLD-AIR-INTAK...QQcmdZViewItem

    this is what I believe is the raceland induction and my green cotton filter is in the for sale section...
  34. Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Hull Posts: 11909 Beeeemer
    #34
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Shep_Cobain View Post
    yes 02 plate VTR 98bhp not 90
    So why would your cat be in the zaust?... it should be in the manifold...
  35. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr
    #35
    if its 02 plate you need the lamba sleeve as the cat is in manifold and has 2 lamba sensors
  36. Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2006 Manchester Posts: 295 Focus RS 260 bhp
    #36
    if he is spending all this money on mods and not telling the insurance then why not put a vst engine in and not tell the insurance?
  37. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #37
    True I guess...

    Maybe he feels more pressured by an engine swap to tell the insurance?
  38. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #38
    when you say mid range revs what we talking rpm wise 3k? cos am about to fit a 4-1 manifold