1.4 8v (cam, uprated pistons)

1. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

   #1 16th January 2007, 00:23

   Basically when my engine gives up i want to rebuild it but using an uprated cam and performance pistons etc, trouble is i cant find anywhere that sells these bits for my engine. Does anyone know where i can get this stuff to? Links would be great! Also before people start saying its not worth it etc, jus out a VTS engine in, i'm 17 and my insurance is at £200, i want to keep it tht way! lol.
   
   Cheers, james
2. Scottp Administrator Joined: Dec 2002 Glasgow United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 26097 Chelski Traktor

   #2 16th January 2007, 00:39

   www.gmcmotorsport.com should eb able to advise and supply
3. Baz Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150

   #3 16th January 2007, 00:58

   £200 at 17!?
4. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #4 16th January 2007, 00:59

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Scott www.gmcmotorsport.com should eb able to advise and supply

   lol touch paper lit.
5. D_Man Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2005 Crondall nr Farnham United Kingdom (England) Posts: 951 Focus ST-2

   #5 16th January 2007, 06:57

   No way can your insurance be £200, Mine is £800 with 2yrs NCB and I'm 20!?
6. stiffler69 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289

   #6 16th January 2007, 07:06

   Bit of a problem there mate once you start doing this work your insurance isnt going to be £200 it will be alot more with a fully uprated engine
7. argylefan1985 Established Member Joined: Feb 2006 North Devon Posts: 2095 Saxo VTR mk1

   #7 16th January 2007, 07:34

   at a guess he forgot a zero and his insurance is 2000, and like stiffler said you`d have to declare the mods and it would probably come out close if not more to a standard vts anyway
8. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #8 16th January 2007, 07:34

   you can get decent power out of a 1.4 but its expensive when you consider that an engine swap could cost less than £700
9. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

   #9 16th January 2007, 11:01

   Thanks so far guys, and yes my insurance is £200. Tbh there would be no point in telling the insurance company about it as how would they ever know whats inside the engine, when you crash they dont take that apart anyway. lol. The reason why my insurance is cheao is because i'm on my dads as a name driver, i earn no claims still and before people say its illegal bein a name driver etc, its not as it doesn't say on my policy that i'm only allowed to do a certain amount of miles each year.
   
   
   Cheers, james
10. SAM33R Established Member Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2139 DIABLO RED 106 GTI E36 M3 EVO

    #10 16th January 2007, 13:24

    somw guy in this forum had a 1.4 and was getting 105bhp out of it which is scarey
    
    that was with uprated cams, ecu remap etc
    
    how do cams make the engine more powerful?
    
    anyone?
    
    sam
11. saxoash Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 East Yorkshire United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6169 VTR

    #11 16th January 2007, 14:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SAM33R somw guy in this forum had a 1.4 and was getting 105bhp out of it which is scarey that was with uprated cams, ecu remap etc how do cams make the engine more powerful? anyone? sam

    They Increase the duration the valves are open for so more air in and more gasses out, add increased fuling and then you get more power.
12. SAM33R Established Member Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2139 DIABLO RED 106 GTI E36 M3 EVO

    #12 16th January 2007, 14:47

    ohhhh
    
    makes sense
    
    but you have to get the ecu remapped???
    
    sam
13. tastic L-plater Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 77 Saxo VTS

    #13 16th January 2007, 16:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scott www.gmcmotorsport.com should eb able to advise and supply

    
    
    http://www.saxosportsclub.com/index....sh=30&start=60
14. _VTR_ L-plater Joined: Jan 2007 Hampshire (UK) Posts: 87 1999 silver vts lowered,pipercross,de-cat,ashley e

    #14 16th January 2007, 17:10

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by D_Man No way can your insurance be £200, Mine is £800 with 2yrs NCB and I'm 20!?

    Mines 750 with 1 years and 1 years driving, could have got an even better deal if i looked around more i was told.
15. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #15 16th January 2007, 17:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SAM33R ohhhh makes sense but you have to get the ecu remapped???

    
    to get the most from the cams yes! in doing this you will not only get a large increase in power but also betterfuel consumption if done properly!
16. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #16 16th January 2007, 17:25

    You won't need better pistons as the inlet maniofold won't let you get much more out of it. You'll need throttle boddies and serious induction mods to run lairy cams which will be a bit more noticable on the engine. 90bhp is going to be about your max.
    
    You're right, its not technically illegal to be insured as a named driver on your dads policy, however should you try and make a claim they may well say that you're clearly the main driver and not pay, you'll have to take them to court where you'll more than likely loose as the accident will have happened on a regular trip, proving that you're the main driver. You're also not insured to use it for your commute to place of work/school as well.
    
    You can tell me its all bullshit etc if you want, I'm not that bothered. Fact is that a few people have now been stung on this and have had to pay out to third parties themselves, inconvenient when 200k is involved for causing a perminant injury. At that point you'll also find that your insurance has been revoked, leading to a driving without insurance charge
17. Ivan106 L-plater Joined: Oct 2004 Norway Posts: 50

    #17 16th January 2007, 18:18

    the 1,3 106 rallye got 103hp with a 1300 engine. Get the wiring loom, head and ecu from the 1,4 xsi. and the manifold from the 1,3 rallye. and u will see 105 hp easy. I'll bet u get all these parts cheap from the scrapyard over where u live.
    
    A bit more difficult here in Norway
18. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

    #18 16th January 2007, 19:00

    ^^^ would that work?
19. Ivan106 L-plater Joined: Oct 2004 Norway Posts: 50

    #19 16th January 2007, 21:07

    I'm running a saxo 1,4 with the 1,3 inlet manifold now. I'm going to put an xsi head on later or a xsi head and a 1,6 block. It will then need a remap or using the 1,3 loom and ecu with a 1,6 chip probably. But the best and easiest way is a remap I think.
20. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #20 16th January 2007, 23:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ivan106 the 1,3 106 rallye got 103hp with a 1300 engine. Get the wiring loom, head and ecu from the 1,4 xsi. and the manifold from the 1,3 rallye. and u will see 105 hp easy. I'll bet u get all these parts cheap from the scrapyard over where u live. A bit more difficult here in Norway

    so you think that by getting the wiring loom, head and ecu from the 1.4 xsi and the manifold from the 1.3 rallye, that he will see an increase of 30bhp EASILY!?! I think your telling Porkies young man!!
21. Ivan106 L-plater Joined: Oct 2004 Norway Posts: 50

    #21 17th January 2007, 18:12

    I'm a old man but anyway the 1,4 xsi is 95hp original. the 1,3 rallye is 103 hp original. so i bet u get more than 103 hp with 1,4 bottom end and 1,3rallye/1,4 xsi head. the standard 1,4 saxo is only 75 hp. so yes! I think it's possible to get 105hp with these mods.