Turbo for 1.6 vtr

1. FILVTR Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2006 Manchester Posts: 440 VTR '52.

   #1 19th January 2007, 16:08

   Would this be a direct add on?
   
   What else would be needed for this to go on (aside for downpipe)?
   Is it worth doing or not?
   
   http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SAXO-VTR-TURBO...QQcmdZViewItem
2. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

   #2 19th January 2007, 16:43

   If you want to run it aswell you will need an intercooler, boost pipes, standalone, etc, etc
   
   then there are other things to take into consideration such as uprated brakes, engine mounts, suspension, clutch, etc. the list goes on! don't just buy this because its cheap, THINK about properly before buying it! Running Costs, Extra Insurance, it keeps going and the cost goes up with it all mate!
3. saxo_vtr1234 Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 cambridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1208 saxo vtr silver

   #3 19th January 2007, 17:22

   yer its not just as simple as bolting it on
4. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

   #4 19th January 2007, 17:34

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by saxo_vtr1234 yer its not just as simple as bolting it on

   I wish it was just bolt on an extra 50bhp lol
5. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

   #5 19th January 2007, 17:41

   ...oil feeds as well... nothing funnier than a bit of friction welding...
   

   Quote:

   I wish it was just bolt on an extra 50bhp lol

   ebay electric supercharger for youuuuuuu
6. argylefan1985 Established Member Joined: Feb 2006 North Devon Posts: 2095 Saxo VTR mk1

   #6 19th January 2007, 17:43

   lmfao yeah get 2 of them and one of those air filter splitter things 100bhp instantly WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
7. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

   #7 20th January 2007, 16:25

   avoid like the plaque --not even made correctly-turbo sitting on angle --bearings will not last--or maybe thats why its for sale? already gone
8. chrisni1986 Established Member Joined: May 2005 Northern Ireland Posts: 1020 EVO 5, 306XLD

   #8 20th January 2007, 17:35

   maybe its just me... but does that manifold not look like a standard cast manifold that comes on the saxo with a few bits welded on.. doesnt look like it would cope with much!
9. saxoash Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 East Yorkshire United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6169 VTR

   #9 20th January 2007, 18:37

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by chrisni1986 maybe its just me... but does that manifold not look like a standard cast manifold that comes on the saxo with a few bits welded on.. doesnt look like it would cope with much!

   Thats because it is lol, thats why the turbo dosnt sit properly, best to stay away from these type of conversions
10. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #10 20th January 2007, 23:53

    Ha ha... that manifold is shit!!!... oil starvation is a certainty... bye bye turbo very quickly.... This is a manifold that actually works!
    
    How it sits
    
    I know it works because the car its been on has been running for well over a year and overtook me at castle combe lol using the OE citroen manifold is not ideal but theres so many monkeys selling absolute shit on ebay its unbelievable!
11. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #11 20th January 2007, 23:57

    its not a straight forward weld either. so if it hasnt been welded properly then it wont last.
    btw, if you do want to do a tubby conversion i will sell you a T2 from fiesta RST for £80.
12. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #12 21st January 2007, 00:06

    Manifold gaskets also melt quickly with the above sort of DIY job... still that engine made 140bhp with a blowing mani and a boost leak!! lol
    
    
    lol
13. turbo_dave Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Down south Posts: 105 E36 M3 3.0 & 2.1 Mondeo w/Eaton M62

    #13 21st January 2007, 02:19

    Christ Beefy, that's errr, interesting
    
    Nice to see someone addressing the problem though. I was over at SSC researching turbo fitting for the 8v motor and saw a few people who're going to chew through turbos; journal bearing turbochargers do not like being inclined at more than 15 degrees...
    
    And fair play for the welding - welding mild to cast is a b*stard of a job. I have an old electric oven with a box of sand in the workshop for helping keep the heat in the manifold when welding. Always looks sh*t though when it's finished, no matter how good the weld is
14. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #14 21st January 2007, 09:35

    Its not my manifold lol... its Martins... he's on SSC, has a gunmetal grey AX. I wish I could fabricate like that!...
15. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #15 21st January 2007, 09:37

    its not just welding the 2 types togoether thats the problem. to weld cast it needs to be heated to its 'red' hot then welded, otherwise it can fracture or crack.
16. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #16 21st January 2007, 09:42

    I believe it was done by a professional company, I don't know how much martin paid but it certainly isn't something that can be done properly in your shed... not if you want it to last!
17. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #17 21st January 2007, 13:50

    turbo should always be horizontal to the world ,any slant will not be good for life of turbo
18. turbo_dave Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Down south Posts: 105 E36 M3 3.0 & 2.1 Mondeo w/Eaton M62

    #18 21st January 2007, 17:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by axsaxoman turbo should always be horizontal to the world ,any slant will not be good for life of turbo

    Not quite, some tilt is expected, and has been designed in. RS Turbos have about the max tilt you will see in a production car at 12 degrees. A perfectly flat turbo is not always possible out in production car land, hence the designed in tollerance...
    
    You are right though, flat = best
19. turbo_dave Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Down south Posts: 105 E36 M3 3.0 & 2.1 Mondeo w/Eaton M62

    #19 21st January 2007, 17:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ax_beefy I believe it was done by a professional company, I don't know how much martin paid but it certainly isn't something that can be done properly in your shed... not if you want it to last!

    Oh, I dunno, I've managed it a few times, but I don't have your normal shed (and I'm not your normal monkey fabricator either ).
    
    I always find it's really a two man job. I usually pre heat the manifold in a domestic electric oven for an hour or so set to max with it sat in a big box of sand (helps keep the heat in when welding), and then get my 8 year old niece to run ahead of me on the piece with an oxy torch to keep the heat up hilst I weld it.
    
    Never had any problems so far, but I always run away and hide behind the biffa bins when people bring me cast to weld.
20. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #20 21st January 2007, 20:03

    I meant most of the chancers on E-bay just have access to a welder and think they'll rip innocent punters off with titles such as "Saxo VTR turbo conversion kit!.... wow no reserve" I feel sorry for the people who end up buying them as they obviously don't know what they're getting. E-bay sales like this should be banned... it like the electric super chargers! lol
21. turbo_dave Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Down south Posts: 105 E36 M3 3.0 & 2.1 Mondeo w/Eaton M62

    #21 21st January 2007, 21:09

    And electronic dump valves
    
    And stacking head gaskets