Peugoet 106 GTI Vs Citroen Saxo VTS

21st January 2007, 18:42

Ok, now looking at these to cars which people say are preety much the same who would you say comes out on top?

Looking at everything from running costs and repairs to the potential for tuning?

Any ideas?

21st January 2007, 18:44

there the same car, exactly the same car

21st January 2007, 18:47

only difference is the kit which i think the 106 is better. Plus some 106 have leather

21st January 2007, 19:18

there both french tins. as said leather, thicker arb on pug. maintenance tuning is gonna be the same

21st January 2007, 19:25

practicaly the same car, however iirc the 106 gti has a higher rev limiter 7,600rpm where as the vts is 7,200rpm

21st January 2007, 19:37

Yeah as other have said there identicle performance and maintenence wise.

21st January 2007, 22:28

practicaly the same car, however iirc the 106 gti has a higher rev limiter 7,600rpm where as the vts is 7,200rpm

????? nope, both 7250rpm

21st January 2007, 23:17

yeah i thought they were same rev limit!

21st January 2007, 23:27

dash on the pug looks poo poo.
dash on saxo is much nicer

interior for pug is lovely
interior for saxo is pap.

your call

22nd January 2007, 00:32

get this month max power mate, very interested article about the 106 gti and the vts, as well as a the cilo, might answer a few of ur questions.

22nd January 2007, 08:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baynesey

get this month max power mate, very interested article about the 106 gti and the vts, as well as a the cilo, might answer a few of ur questions.

Thats this article about cant stand max power just wondering if its worth forking out £5 to read one article?

22nd January 2007, 08:37

had them both pal, i think the vts feels quicker to be honest

22nd January 2007, 09:24

VTS has a slightly larger flux capacitor. Otherwise the same car

22nd January 2007, 09:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

practicaly the same car, however iirc the 106 gti has a higher rev limiter 7,600rpm where as the vts is 7,200rpm

????? nope, both 7250rpm

you sure? heres a pic of 106gti dials and they dont redline till 7,400 rpm where as the vts dials have the redline start at 6,800rpm

22nd January 2007, 09:37

Wooo fucking hooo. The card insert on the 106 has the red line a couple of RPM on.

22nd January 2007, 09:56

Both have pros and cons, personally i prefer the VTS.

22nd January 2007, 09:58

Calm down David Lol, I know its Monday and all

22nd January 2007, 09:59

I was up til 3.30am this morning putting me mates Honda Civic together for him while he held the umbrella and light so Monday morning is killing me so far :-( ..... If only he had missed the Dear

22nd January 2007, 10:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloz

Calm down David Lol, I know its Monday and all

hahahaha, I am calm, can't see why everyone always seems to think that one is quicker than the other.

22nd January 2007, 10:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by CampDavid

hahahaha, I am calm, can't see why everyone always seems to think that one is quicker than the other.

One is quicker than the other

Just cant rememeber which one.....

106 gti leather is nice
dash isnt

saxo dash is nice
interior isnt

I think the saxo looks more femenine (spelling) compared to the 106!?

22nd January 2007, 10:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrorange2

Thats this article about cant stand max power just wondering if its worth forking out £5 to read one article?

no dont buy it, go in whs and read it lol, wont take to long

22nd January 2007, 10:35

Slightly different 0-60 times... Different insurance band... Only because of the way they're tested.

22nd January 2007, 10:43

is one not a few k's lighter than the other aswell??

22nd January 2007, 10:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by riggsy

I think the saxo looks more femenine (spelling) compared to the 106!?

And thus more attractive

(Unless you dont like girls

)

22nd January 2007, 12:27

the leather is good in the 106, but the dash is a lot better in the saxo. so its upto personal choice with looks, just either buy a new dashboard if you prefer the 106 lol or buy leather for the saxo.

22nd January 2007, 12:28

as standard the saxo is way nicer but imo the 106's can bemodified to look a lot nicer than the vts.

22nd January 2007, 12:35

106 has different gbox ratio's to the vts and I beleive the standard shocks are slightly different too. but lets face it- at the end of the day- Saxos just dominate this fight dont they!

J

22nd January 2007, 12:49

in theory the old gti may weigh a tiny min ute less than the vts, because the vts has the side panels on the doors! just a thought!

22nd January 2007, 13:13

OK FOOLS (language moderated for Chris's sake)

Seeings as this damn question keeps coming up, why not have ba bit of a sticky to prevent yet another pointless discussion, reeking of bullshit and falsehoods.

1. The engine is exactly the same engine, same model, same management. The engine itself runs the samemap and I'm pretty sure there isn't anything in the Magneti Marelli ECU to tell it if its in a GTI or a VTS. It simply doesn't care. The ECU does however have different software versions on it depending on the age of the car. The VTS does have slightly different cooling, it has a heat exchanger to exchange heat between the water and then oil. This makes sod all difference to anything

2. The Gearbox is the same. All the ratios are the same, as is the final drive. Everything about the gearbox is the same, excluding the gearnob, which I think may be different on later GTIs.

3. The suspension is DIFFERENT. but not by much. The ARB is 24mm thick, compare to 22/19.5mm on the Saxo. The damping rate and spring rate is also a touch different, though this is largely irrelivent as most GTI's/VTS's run "uprated" springs and dampers, which are mostly selected by brand name and the amount they "slam" the car rather than by unimportnant details like spring and damper rates. The reason for the different setups is that GTIs come on 14" rims as standard and the VTS has 15" from 1999 as standard

4. GTIs have leather from 98 onwards. VTS's don't. From Marthish 2001 they both had airbags. Both seats are pretty similar, though I find my 2003 leather efforts give a bit more support than my 2003 VTS seats, probably as the leather is a bit tougher than the fabric.

5. The VTS actually cost more than the GTI new according to the price lists, however, the VTS always got more discount. Due to Citroen's free insurence/cashback/barter approach my 2001 VTS was bought using unwanted children, stamps and a really nice victorian 3 piece suite. The discount got a bit mental from around 2001 onwards which is why you don't see many 106 GTIs about from after then, they would have cost a couple of grand more overall.

Weight - God knows. Both companies have different policies on judging the curb weight of their cars. I'm guessing they're sod all difference howver

22nd January 2007, 13:39

guess that answers just afew questions

22nd January 2007, 13:54

So the GTi's quicker...

22nd January 2007, 13:56

Stab, Stab, Die Damo

22nd January 2007, 13:57

Haha! But if we then looked at the European VTS's/GTi's, then that's "another" story for "another" time because as far as I'm aware, the European GTi's came with air conditioning as standard?

22nd January 2007, 13:57

Lol Damo!

Why are the rev limiters different on the dials?

22nd January 2007, 14:07

Rigsy - Dunno. Different cardboard manufacturer

22nd January 2007, 14:08

they are the same

22nd January 2007, 14:09

Damo - In europe the GTI doesn't exsist, its called an S16 there. The VTS is just a trim level, so 1.4 and 1.6 8 valves can be VTS's over there.

AC is an interesting one. For some reason it was never an option here, which was a shame. The second rad fan housing is for the AC fan. Little facto of the day there

22nd January 2007, 14:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by CampDavid

Rigsy - Dunno. Different cardboard manufacturer

i'm not convinced mate, if its rev limiter is at 7,200rpm like the vts then it wont even be in the proper red, surely they wouldnt do that or everyone would be hitting the rev limiter without being in the red

just dont seem right, i'll ask some one with a 106 gti

22nd January 2007, 14:20

Im with Steve on this!

22nd January 2007, 14:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by CampDavid

The second rad fan housing is for the AC fan.

That's why I brought it up mate... Somebody else also told me this.

22nd January 2007, 14:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by riggsy

Im with Steve on this!

i'm not saying CampDavid is wrong as he could be correct but its just it dont seem right to me, i put a post up on another forum so when a 106 gti owner replys i'll post up what they put

22nd January 2007, 14:32

ffs, rev limits ARE THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!! FACT. if what your saying is true, then how come when i have done an engien conversion using a gti ecu it redlines at 7250??????? only way it will be higher is with chip or remap.

22nd January 2007, 14:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

ffs, rev limits ARE THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!! FACT. if what your saying is true, then how come when i have done an engien conversion using a gti ecu it redlines at 7250??????? only way it will be higher is with chip or remap.

This is an internet forum my good man, it doesn't matter what you've done in the real world, in here bullshit talks

22nd January 2007, 14:42

Those dials look very much like aftermarket ones to me, hence the different limiters

22nd January 2007, 14:50

Ok, ok easy lads... may well be aftermarket dials!!

22nd January 2007, 14:52

here is the performance facts from a proper website
bith cars are 1999 V Reg

VTS
Max power (bhp/rpm) 120/6600
Length (mm) 3,708
Width (mm) 1,905
Height (mm) 1,368
Towing weight (kg) 700
Kerb weight (kg) 935

0-60 mph (secs) 7.2
Max speed (mph) 127

http://www.whatcar.co.uk/car-review-...6&ED=25207&U=1

106 GTI

Max power (bhp/rpm) 120/6600
Length (mm) 3,678
Width (mm) 1,594
Height (mm) 1,357
Towing weight (kg) 700
Kerb weight (kg) 950

0-60 mph (secs) 8.7
Max speed (mph) 128

http://www.whatcar.co.uk/car-review-...45&ED=3456&U=1

hope this settles the arguement

sam

22nd January 2007, 14:54

I dont realy care that much to have an argument about it i thought it was just a discussion lol

22nd January 2007, 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM33R

here is the performance facts from a proper website
bith cars are 1999 V Reg

VTS
Max power (bhp/rpm) 120/6600
Length (mm) 3,708
Width (mm) 1,905
Height (mm) 1,368
Towing weight (kg) 700
Kerb weight (kg) 935

0-60 mph (secs) 7.2
Max speed (mph) 127

http://www.whatcar.co.uk/car-review-...6&ED=25207&U=1

106 GTI

Max power (bhp/rpm) 120/6600
Length (mm) 3,678
Width (mm) 1,594
Height (mm) 1,357
Towing weight (kg) 700
Kerb weight (kg) 950

0-60 mph (secs) 8.7
Max speed (mph) 128

http://www.whatcar.co.uk/car-review-...45&ED=3456&U=1

hope this settles the arguement

sam

read my post above. 0-60 and kurb weights are all measured in different ways by pug and citroen

22nd January 2007, 14:58

how can the same two cars have a 0to60 time of 2 seconds differance

22nd January 2007, 15:00

For the love of god

0-60 are all measured in different ways by pug and citroen

22nd January 2007, 15:15

evo independantly tested the two of them, the difference between them was negligable.

Same car bar cosmetics.

22nd January 2007, 18:11

lol this has made some interesting reading

as for the dials who cares we all know the accuracy of the speedo and rev counters on french cars is near enough none existant

like its been said they are the same car bar the cosmetics and the only plus side to the gti is it has leather as standard but you cant pick a good one up for as cheap as a good vts so if your looking for a cheap fun car the vts is narrowly the better choice (thats my opinion though so please dont shout at me camp dave

)

22nd January 2007, 18:22

im just gonna say hello, so hi

22nd January 2007, 18:24

Get the vts buy the 106 gti leather, sorted

22nd January 2007, 19:10

Im not convinced about the gbox being the same- I think the VTS 2nd gear on the Mk1 at least is longer than the gti's one. Not gonna argue if you've got solid gold evidence but I've heard the gbox's are different from so many sources I just thought I'd say!

22nd January 2007, 19:15

So what your telling me is the 106 is 300bhp quicker?

HAHAHAHA 3 pages of this shite.

22nd January 2007, 20:25

agreed

22nd January 2007, 20:45

awesome thread.

compo - you're on fire.haaaa

Steve... fact of life the speedo and fuel gauge is wrong on the PSA's little nippers. What makes you think the tachometer is accurate? eh? EH?!

22nd January 2007, 20:47

VTS came in 130bhp versions too....

23rd January 2007, 03:06

if a 106 is quicker doesnt that mean my mums clio is faster than a tracker?

23rd January 2007, 09:33

Im not convinced about the gbox being the same- I think the VTS 2nd gear on the Mk1 at least is longer than the gti's one. Not gonna argue if you've got solid gold evidence but I've heard the gbox's are different from so many sources I just thought I'd say!

how many times does this need to be said??????

all teh sport model cars have the same gear set, so if 1 gear is longer they are all longer. its the final drive that makes 1 box longer/shorter than the other. all vts and gti's ahve exactly the same ratios. factomondo.

23rd January 2007, 12:03

I disagree Williams, the gearboxes are blatently different. Just look at the evidence...

(me an argumentative cunt? yup)

23rd January 2007, 12:10

it honestly doesnt matter if its fact.

Theres always going to be someone some where whos budgie has heard from a crow who heard from the cat it was chasing that had eaten a mice that afternoon that had heard from a caterpillar on a leaf in the garden that was out in the sunshine after some shopping that heard from a fly at the supermarket which was sitting on some fresh steak at the butchers counter that heard the butcher say to his co worker that when he was in the pub toilets he heard a guy with a brown jacket say that his uncle had heard from his aunt who heard from great aunt betty at the tea morning on wednesday after the really wet tuesday that Cathy had heard from her son who knows some one who knew a friend that had lifted a spanner one time when he was 8 to fix a push bike that the 106 gti was faster than a vts.

That my friend is fact.

<snigger>

23rd January 2007, 12:12

lol, that must be true then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!