1.8 16v

22nd January 2007, 12:52

how difficult is the conversion for a sax vtr to a 1.8 16v out of a xsara??

22nd January 2007, 12:53

very and not worthwhile the 1.8 engine isnt exactly great

22nd January 2007, 13:00

Sometimes this forum makes me want to cry.

22nd January 2007, 13:10

only easy questions if you know the answers Davidoff....

22nd January 2007, 13:20

you'd be better dropping the 1.6 16v engine from a gti into your car

22nd January 2007, 13:21

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Originally Posted by Scott

only easy questions if you know the answers Davidoff....

I know. But its always the same question. For once can't someone ask something new. Like can I chain up a small cat under the bonnet of my car to power it for cheap town driving. Or something

22nd January 2007, 13:22

is there nothing bigger than the 1.6 16v that fits my mate has got a fiesta si and the forum just told him to drop a 2.0l mondeo engine in it. As nothing would improve its performance and wouldnt be worth the money.

22nd January 2007, 13:26

The 2.0l mondeo engine is very good in the si i believe, especially if its a turbo! But, it is heavy. Alot of people choose to tune the 1.6. Im not sure at the moment how but they either convert or re bore to a 1.9!

That is an rsturb 1.6 by the way. The si engine is pretty limited!

In a sax you don't want the weight of a bigger engine i believe. You can turbo the 1.6 and get good power, as will getting throttle boddies

22nd January 2007, 13:28

I think some guy on here wanted to a put a Pulsar engine into his Saxo, dont know if that would be a good idea but would be fast, I think...

22nd January 2007, 13:30

Would prob be fast, in a straight line anyway, in the twisties it might be pretty unbalanced.

22nd January 2007, 13:31

Oh right yer i see your point of the weight thing. Is there anyway of boring out the saxo engine to a 1.7 or 1.8? and then throttle bodies and turbo'ing it?

22nd January 2007, 13:32

Not 100% sure on the re boring but you can pretty much turbo any engine

22nd January 2007, 13:35

can we come down out of fantasy land please.

The cyclinder walls are already borderline thin, you could possibly bore out a mm or so, not really worth it. It can be stroked up to around 1.8, again not much point.

There is no other large engine than can be dropped into a saxo, not without serious time, work and COST.

The 1.6 16v engine is very tuneable so far to over 270bhp AT THE WHEELS.

No need for a larger, heavier more costly engine.

END.

22nd January 2007, 13:35

The biggest engine you can put in is a 2.0litre. The GTI-6 lump is one option, however it is toooooooo heavy. The 206 GTI-180 would probably fit. In fact, I can't see why no one's tried it already. Hmm, I may have a bash at that one day.

The reason engine conversions aren't common is that A

the 16 valve lump is brilliant. Not many production engines can rev to 8k and beyond without the bottom end going to pop (the 16v can actually do 10k, apparently) and secondly there is so much fabrication involved in putting a bigger lump in, its fuck loads easier on VWs and Fords

22nd January 2007, 16:08

has any one tryed a chevy with a super charger and big air intake sticking thought the hood and nitrous

22nd January 2007, 16:09

Why would we have tried that

22nd January 2007, 16:18

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Originally Posted by Scott

can we come down out of fantasy land please.

The cyclinder walls are already borderline thin, you could possibly bore out a mm or so, not really worth it. It can be stroked up to around 1.8, again not much point.

There is no other large engine than can be dropped into a saxo, not without serious time, work and COST.

The 1.6 16v engine is very tuneable so far to over 270bhp AT THE WHEELS.

No need for a larger, heavier more costly engine.

END.

spot on! Smacked the nail straight on the head there Scott!! and why would you need more than 270bhp at the WHEELS!!!! even that is immensly insane power for a 1.6, let alone packing that sort of power inside a Saxo shell!

22nd January 2007, 16:20

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Originally Posted by DS_furio

has any one tryed a chevy with a super charger and big air intake sticking thought the hood and nitrous

Yeah of course, loads of people have!!

What a tard! there is no hope for some people is there?!

22nd January 2007, 16:30

thts not very nice now is it. smashed my dreams into the floor with a sledge hammer. did i forget to add it need a wheely bar and big drag tyers and a a couple of jet engines or 4 just to be safe

22nd January 2007, 16:32

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Originally Posted by DS_furio

thts not very nice now is it. smashed my dreams into the floor with a sledge hammer. did i forget to add it need a wheely bar and big drag tyers and a a couple of jet engines or 4 just to be safe

22nd January 2007, 16:39

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Originally Posted by Danr

hahahaha that is FUNNY lol

22nd January 2007, 16:42

this is great!

AM I DREAMING!????

HMM YEAH Y NOT JUST DUMP A COSIE LUMP IN THE CENTRE OF THE CAR AND THEN STRAP A JET PLANE ENGINE TO THE BOOT! LOL

just playing 1.6 16v is good enough for the saxo! y not dump it in the rear though if you want sumthing different it can be done if you want.....

22nd January 2007, 16:46

http://www.swatspeed.co.uk/index2.htm

£5500 for a mid engine conversion kit. Cossie lump is about a grand. Fabing etc another grand. 7.5k for a rear engined cossie conversion then

22nd January 2007, 16:49

LOL i knew it had been doen & i know sum1 post up bout it! U bin 1 person i thought LMBO

22nd January 2007, 17:38

I met Mr Swatspeed (Ross) at Autosport International. seemed a top bloke and the product he's pedelling is top knotch (its from Z-cars) No whelding, fust mounts to excisting points in the car and looks solid as fuck. Expencive but when you can stuff in anything you like that's got to be cool. 800bhp cossie saxo now a possibility (though would cost a good 50k to do, and it'd break a lot)

22nd January 2007, 19:22

Does a Xsara VTS 2.0 16v engine fit? I remember a while back somebody done this on another forum. Not bad an engine with 167bhp standard. Heard about people putting Mi16 engines in before too.

22nd January 2007, 19:25

xsara engine is not a great engine, its to heavy and is generally shite, this thread is also now shite, has been covered loads.

22nd January 2007, 19:48

people please, why is no one thinking outside the box??

If the old school mini lot can fit a vtec or a 2.0 vauxhall motor in the front of a mini, what's to stop someone doing it to a saxo?? there's loads of room in there, infact, if memory serves me correctly, I've seen a cozy lump driving the front wheels of a ka. would it realy be that much more effort to do these conversions in a saxo or are we just being lazy? I mean, it's not exactly rocket science to plonk in a vts motor on the same mounts that were there in the first place is it?

Pete

22nd January 2007, 19:58

what about Mi-16's? is this not a normal thing? i've seen 106's up crail with these conversions, there is an ax up knockhill with some 2 litre from a 405 as well!

I also seem to remember that guy with the very beautiful Scandal (name escapes me) talking about a rear mounted hayabusa turbo conversion for a little over % grand, pushing 220bhp!!!

22nd January 2007, 20:03

Im always under the impression that if a 2.0litre lump put into a saxo alledgedly 'destroys the handling', then sod it... most of the people have sodded theirs up through lowering it down 60mm 'handles wicked innit'. Might aswell cock up the handling with massive engine then a having it closer to the ground.

Just a thought...

22nd January 2007, 20:15

its all about where the weight is. When the XU engines are fitted the weight is usually in front of the wheels.. there's not really enough room to have the engine moved back without chopping out the chassis to buggery.. and that costs more

22nd January 2007, 20:21

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Originally Posted by Scott

very and not worthwhile the 1.8 engine isnt exactly great

Its not the engine its the head that not too good. Replace the head with a Gti-6 one and its a cracking little one :d

Still won't fit nicely into a saxo

22nd January 2007, 20:27

I'm not talking about a "massive" engine, and to be fair, when making a suggestion for an alternate unit I'm assuming that anyone with the know how to even attempt this kind of thing would concider the the need for different spring and damper ratings.

And I'd guess that the "stick to a vts lump" brigade are also assuming that because someone wants a more powerfull engine then they "must" want the rest of the car all stripped out like a race car?? what about the people who want bags of power, body styling, and a big stereo install?? must they be put off and end up with a car that's got plenty of 16v power and be un-balanced toward the rear because they dont concider the potential implications of the extra weight in the back??

For all the "don't do it", no ones actualy mentioned just how much extra weight we're actualy looking at? anyone know what a vts engine weighs? it's got to be close to 100kg if not more?

pete

22nd January 2007, 20:30

I think its about 120kgs with gearbox attached

22nd January 2007, 20:40

ok, so, lets say the tu 16v is 120kg, when mounted in it's standard place, the whole lot sits in front of the axle line, correct?

to put in an xu engine it'd need to be mounted some what like it is in the 305, i.e. sloped with the top toward the fire wall, due to it's hight, correct? and if so, how does this affect the amount of weight infront of the axle line verses the amount of weight intop of/ behind the line?

oh, and what is the weight of the xu?

pete

22nd January 2007, 21:35

Anyone!??

22nd January 2007, 21:56

and I'd guess a similar arrangement may be concidered fo other engines mentioned?

pete

24th January 2007, 13:03

omg i only asked a simple question lol
i think it was about a 1.8 lump in a sax??
can anyone remember?

24th January 2007, 13:07

It was answered in the second post. FOOL

24th January 2007, 14:23

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Originally Posted by CampDavid

It was answered in the second post. FOOL

Wicked

is that your Mr-T impression? Shut Up Fool, Crazy Fool

Forget the 8v to 16v, 1.8 16v lumps what you want is the New Fiat Panda with 100BHP yes thats a Fiat Panda with 100BHP and 6gears Oh Yes . . . Crazy Fool

24th January 2007, 15:31

My chains of gold are to symabise the chains that my for fathers came accross in, they are gold to show that I am still a slave, but now my price is now a bit higher

24th January 2007, 19:12

wow u lot are helpful

25th January 2007, 08:58

We are. Sorry for any offence caused but you've got the same answer in here with about varying amounts of detail as to why it won't work easily or in any way cost effectively.

25th January 2007, 20:06

no offence taken my friend!!!