pug-performance just slated remaps!!!

24th January 2007, 13:25

just got off the phone to pug performance asking them about my radiator fan and explained that i was worried cause i had my remap on friday at chipwizards.

he said that they were totally crap! and that you cant map a standard ecu to run a 264duration cam? WTF!!!

he said that vts's dont come with vernier pullys as standard.

i told him what mods i had:

singleplug vts engine with
supersprint manifold (heatwrapped
supersprint 2" bore straight thru
scorpion backbox
raceland enclosed with green filter & direct cold air feed to it
ported & polioshed throttlebody
gas flowed head
catcam 708's

i said i was hoping for between 150-160bhp. he said i got no chance! and that chipwizards just make the rolling road print off to what they want it to read!

this is one of the main men at pugsport! cant beleive it! hes got to be bullshittin aint he? he said that the standard vts ecu wont be able to cope with a 264 duration cam at all

24th January 2007, 13:31

why would they say that?

24th January 2007, 13:31

Pug-Performance don't do remaps.

Not going to get into a "PPM are crap" argument, but yes, that's balls

24th January 2007, 13:33

i know they dont do remaps. but he did also say something about the ecu on a vts being self teaching? thats totally bollox.

24th January 2007, 13:36

thats bull theres plenty of vts's running them in standard ecu's

24th January 2007, 13:37

i tried to tell him that but he wouldnt have any of it. he said i wont get anywhere near 150! :o

24th January 2007, 13:40

Did he try and flog you an OMEX or something. Its balls anyway.

24th January 2007, 13:43

The standard ECU has some freedom to self adjust, but it won't adjust for different cam profiles.

24th January 2007, 13:57

no he didnt try and sell me anything! he just tried to say that remaps are a scam and it seemed as though he was saying to use the satndard maps set on piggybacks.

24th January 2007, 14:01

maps on piggybacks they can sell too ya i bet lmao

yes ya can remap a standard ecu its true you wont get as good results as with standalone management but other than that he is talking out his ass

and he aint the main man at pusport

peugeot sport are 100% reputable pug-performance just think they are

24th January 2007, 14:03

Sounds alot of horse shit to me. I bought my VTS already mapped, but I was there when Keir had his VTS done (Rex the runt, first remapped VTS, about 3 hours before the firs owner mapped mine!) and the difference between it on the drive there and on the drive back was massive. Mine is currently unmapped (ECU failed, not the maps fault, freak accident!) and its a bag of wank

24th January 2007, 14:06

pug sport are a french company and part of PSA. They make rally cars mainly. PPM don't and are not affiliated with peugeot/PSA in any way.

24th January 2007, 14:14

Vts do have a venier pulley as standard dont they?

24th January 2007, 14:18

pretty sure they do. Uprated ones are just a load lighter

24th January 2007, 15:58

yes verniers as standard

24th January 2007, 16:17

lol colin is stuck in his ways....

24th January 2007, 16:22

yes vts' have adjustable pullies. also, the catcams 708s are only 258 not 264 duration.
and yes the OE ecu can be mapped, there was a hell of a difference in mine before and after the map.

24th January 2007, 16:50

Annoys me that PPM should slag another tuner off. Especially as most of the stuff I've seen from them has been wank

24th January 2007, 16:59

it pissed me off too! just been on the phone to fmc and they said that they were talking bollox. obviously standalone management is gonna be the better option but without it you may not get the full potential of your mods and you idle may be comprimised whereas if you had standalone you can get a perfect idle and the management is totally accessable! so you can get the maximum power output throughout the rev range.

all you with half deacent knowledge will know what im on about...

24th January 2007, 17:39

yeh i thought verniers wer standard to!

24th January 2007, 17:39

unless he was getting confused with vtr n vts!

24th January 2007, 18:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by sy_g

yeh i thought verniers wer standard to!

Its already been cleared up that vts DO have then as standard

24th January 2007, 18:47

Ive got a piper 285 cam in my vtr and had it rolling road remapped i presume 285 is the duration and its a little naughty at times and does idle terrible when cold but once warmed up its fine and you can definately feel the difference from the map

24th January 2007, 18:57

piper name their cams higher than the actual duration.

24th January 2007, 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

piper name their cams higher than the actual duration.

Yeah i had heard this previously but i was just using it as a example

24th January 2007, 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by stiffler69

Ive got a piper 285 cam in my vtr and had it rolling road remapped i presume 285 is the duration and its a little naughty at times and does idle terrible when cold but once warmed up its fine and you can definately feel the difference from the map

thats more like a 260-265 duration cam then.

24th January 2007, 19:24

Colin@pug-performane = wanker!!
Full of shit and a bodger.

Rant over!!

24th January 2007, 19:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by stiffler69

Ive got a piper 285 cam in my vtr and had it rolling road remapped i presume 285 is the duration and its a little naughty at times and does idle terrible when cold but once warmed up its fine and you can definately feel the difference from the map

Not trying to de-rail this thread but I am curious to know what bhp your car is after the cam&remap.

Thx.
ManC

24th January 2007, 19:33

Colin wouldn't know a well built car if it fell from the sky and landed on him

Leave him to his bodged conversions and pissed off customers and court cases - and carry on with people that know what they are talking about

24th January 2007, 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzzy_orange

Colin wouldn't know a well built car if it fell from the sky and landed on him

Leave him to his bodged conversions and pissed off customers and court cases - and carry on with people that know what they are talking about

agreed, and i have to live down the road from there workshop!!

24th January 2007, 19:35

o, sorry not workshop, chicken shed!

24th January 2007, 19:37

what most people forget is they slate PP yet the engines are actually longmans built usually ROLF

25th January 2007, 09:24

yer that colin was trying to bragg about his work. sayin that "no standard road car can catch their throttlebodies vts's so he must be doing something right"

hes an arsehole!

john at gmc a.k.a AXSAXOMAN on sa-p put me in the picture. fuck me he knows his stuff!!!

25th January 2007, 09:34

John of GMC fame has never been a fan of the remap either from some of his threads on the SSC, I can see his point to a degree. The remapped VTS alrways nails an amazing power figure and on paper looks as quick as a TB'd effort. in practice its not as simple, TBs giving a swifter throttle response and more mid range.

25th January 2007, 17:17

agree david

26th January 2007, 16:52

Some awesome results from this guys

26th January 2007, 19:29

josh hows the mango

26th January 2007, 20:17

Coming on well bud

Going to be another couple of months yet at least

26th January 2007, 20:35

< have you not seen my car then round your way then. ( silver off ssc) wish id gone buy you when i was behind you that time ,lol.

26th January 2007, 23:12

LOL

I love it.

All the PP longmans engines use generic maps devised on an engine dyno so are not mapped in the car to account for exact running temp or air intake temp, and they are slating std ecu remaps? hahaha

David you won't get better midrange with TBS unless they are the right setup though will you, could potentially lose a lot below 6k or even worse everywhere than a semi road engine uses. In theory they will only improve lower revs and part throttle.

27th January 2007, 09:50

cheers for the plug josh

im gonna keep em in suspense. let em guess.

check out my thread in the picture & video section people!

28th January 2007, 10:43

after readings this post i agree with what most of you are saying --yes a remap can work to a degree ,where they usually fall down is idle .
the std ecu is self learning ,but only for area of map controlled by lambda --not WOT and not ignition at all.
I do not think it is good value for money -- if you are intent on more mods
I now reccomend people to thin kbefore spending any money at all--decide where you want to go --eventually ,or how much money you want to spend --then and nly then can you make reasoned decision on what to do.
If the intention is ,as most to be an on going project ,then best advice is "bite the bullet" and fit stnad alone at earliest point ,then you can change your mind as you go --turbo /t/bodies /s/c ,combination of al ,or even a dif car --your big investment in the ecu can do it al or move with you to next car-- . it will be cheaper + better in the long run.
and iwth ecu,s that can run closed loop wideband -then quite few of the mods you will do ,will be self mapped by the ecu ,with only very qucik twiddle on dyno to perfect.

29th January 2007, 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullit

< have you not seen my car then round your way then. ( silver off ssc) wish id gone buy you when i was behind you that time ,lol.

You should of taken the chance while you had it...