106 s2 ralli cam????

29th January 2007, 19:30

hiya was hearing today that.....

the 106 s2 ralli cam is performance fast road as stadard???
and they go in vtr's???

so a 106 s2 ralli cam in a 1998 mki1 vtr with vts ajustable pulley??? possable?? gains??? ect ect???

30th January 2007, 17:08

anyone????

30th January 2007, 17:12

yep, though I don't think it's that hardcore

30th January 2007, 17:13

wot happened to the red top engine you was gonna put in?

30th January 2007, 17:19

cannot be arsed at mo need car to muz too

30th January 2007, 17:20

in other words, reality happened

30th January 2007, 17:21

yeah welll said david

30th January 2007, 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by landy

yeah welll said david

for a minuite there im sure you was telling me a few months ago about you getting 2.0 calibra turbo engine put in yours aswell as your gti you was getting

30th January 2007, 17:35

the s2 rallye came is a mild highlift cam which should give a good 5bhp increase

dunno if it would run right but a s2 ecu would help too as it would raise the rev limit to 7.5k

will give you basically s2 rallye performance mate

30th January 2007, 17:58

useful information. Unlike the 16v for 100mph tosh ion your sig. That's just envy that is

30th January 2007, 18:01

and the lotus, shit i was thinking that aswell, lol

30th January 2007, 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by hesslevtr

for a minuite there im sure you was telling me a few months ago about you getting 2.0 calibra turbo engine put in yours

then it got pointed out to me it was a stupid idea

didnt u

30th January 2007, 18:26

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Originally Posted by CampDavid

useful information. Unlike the 16v for 100mph tosh ion your sig. That's just envy that is

speak to easty by dear friend

30th January 2007, 18:49

david why is it every thing sed about engine swap you put down. if its not a saxo engine you do not wanna know.
the gte 2l 16v will go in i know the right people to do the engine mounts ect ect and also a suspenion to suit the weight diff which if you looked into you would find there not muy diff in weight

30th January 2007, 18:51

yorkie was at dave.

30th January 2007, 18:56

if you put a vts pulley on your engine will go POP

30th January 2007, 19:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullit

yorkie was at dave.

coolio

30th January 2007, 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

if you put a vts pulley on your engine will go POP

??? why??? isn't the pulley the cog thing on end of cam??? vts one to tweek the cam

30th January 2007, 19:09

yes, but its a different size so would totaly fuck your engien when it runs.

30th January 2007, 19:18

o right i see i did not know that cheers

31st January 2007, 06:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by CampDavid

useful information. Unlike the 16v for 100mph tosh ion your sig. That's just envy that is

tee hee hee, you do realise he has more low down torque than a gti /vts dont ya?

i cant see why you cant get the 103 bhp outta the vtr lump with the rallye cam ecu and injectors, the basic engine cant be that much different, try fitting an s2/xsi inlet manifold and rallye s2 ecu too, funnily enough i can get you both. depending on how your cars idle is provided. for 150 quid just cam the fucker properly www.newmann-cams.com i can go up to the 280 fast road mayber further without having to change anything else, their road one should be same as my s2 cam. i also beleive s1 rallye cam is the same

31st January 2007, 06:51

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Originally Posted by infamousaidy

tee hee hee, you do realise he has more low down torque than a gti /vts dont ya?

producing more at 1900rpm than a gti does at 5500rpm actually

but that cant be right cos the vtr engine is just no capable of such a thing cos the peak powers are higher lmao

31st January 2007, 09:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkie

david why is it every thing sed about engine swap you put down. if its not a saxo engine you do not wanna know.
the gte 2l 16v will go in i know the right people to do the engine mounts ect ect and also a suspenion to suit the weight diff which if you looked into you would find there not muy diff in weight

The reason I'm negative about most engine swaps is that the questions people ask about them demonstrate they have no clue what so ever about the issues they may face. I have no doubt that you "know the right people" to get mounts, driveshafts etc made, but I doubt they're going to spend all their time for the next month making them for you. Then fitting the engine and the whole new wiring loom that goes with it. I'm not entirely convinced that they pipe up with "sure, I'll rip your dash to pieces to fit your clocks in, hell, why don't we fab a new instrument binnical from scratch, to make it look tidy and that!"

You can fit different engines to different cars, many people have done it and I know of a couple of nutty conversions that are happening right now. BUT, to do this well you need to research into it a lot more than you have.

Would you rather I just said "yeah, its easy, go for it!" and then laughed when it all went to shit because you didn't look at the hard bits?

31st January 2007, 09:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeds106

producing more at 1900rpm than a gti does at 5500rpm actually

but that cant be right cos the vtr engine is just no capable of such a thing cos the peak powers are higher lmao

Jesus, someones a bit touchy about there 8 valve. I never slgged the 8 valve off. I know they can produce good power as QEP have proved. I have no doubt that your engine produces more torque than an F1 car at 1900rpm (it does btw) but that's fairly irrelivent. All it means is your powerband, the window the engine opperates most effectively in, is lower. Great. Excellent. Happy for you. Obviously in torque terms it gets raped by my mum's skoda diesel but hey ho.

My slight jibe was at the "16 valve for everything over 100mph" comment, which is a bit meaningless. I find my camm'd VTS is a feck load better sub 100mph than it is over it. Just seems a fairly silly argument, that's all.

31st January 2007, 12:46

paranoia dave.

31st January 2007, 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by CampDavid

Jesus, someones a bit touchy about there 8 valve. I never slgged the 8 valve off. .

not touchy just the net is full of people that quote peak power and not take in to acount the power delivery which at the end of the day is where the true performance lies

peak powers make far too many cars seem better than they are

but thats down to the companys that make em quoting the higest output they can to sell em in 1st place

31st January 2007, 16:25

campo don't jugde me. you do not know me or my mates at all. you not the faintish idea who i am or what i know.

come down off that high horse please

31st January 2007, 16:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkie

campo don't jugde me. you do not know me or my mates at all. you not the faintish idea who i am or what i know.

come down off that high horse please

I give up

31st January 2007, 16:30

if your friends and you are so capable stop fannying about with a mild cam and do it then

31st January 2007, 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott

if your friends and you are so capable stop fannying about with a mild cam and do it then

Have you noticed Scott that the best way to please people on here is to just say yes to everything? I think I'm just going to tell people that everythings a piece of piss from now on. May even get to buy up a nice "I've fucked up putting a 3.0 V6 in my 1.1" project

31st January 2007, 16:39

unfortunately David reality sucks sometimes, or if people have a difference of opinion its time to spit the dummy (not saying thats whats going on here just an example)

Its the same with my filter gained me 35bhp. Its tosh but people dont want to beleive reality, dreaming is far nicer.

31st January 2007, 16:55

debates are good shit man!

and marc your a dreamer

31st January 2007, 17:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeds106

debates are good shit man!

and marc your a dreamer

Don't judge him. He said

New enging for you to try and fit

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31st January 2007, 17:05

ive known marc many many years so im experianced enough to

31st January 2007, 17:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeds106

not touchy just the net is full of people that quote peak power and not take in to acount the power delivery which at the end of the day is where the true performance lies

peak powers make far too many cars seem better than they are

but thats down to the companys that make em quoting the higest output they can to sell em in 1st place

Power delivery is not just torque, what you are ideally after is good torque low down, coupled with good top end. The VTS lump with PT51s pulls from about 3k all the way to 8k, giving a nice meaty powerband, making it a fab engine.

I agree though. People just look at the figures and decide if something is good or bad, which isn't always the best way. Modern diesels look amazing on paper but the powerband is far to narrow in reality. My mums Fabia VRs is a quick car, but you need to keep it in the right gear all the time or the power just drops right off. Compared to say a big V8 on paper its great, on the road however its no where near as flexible.

If you're happy with the way yours drives then there is no reason for going for a 16 valve. Personal choice comes dow to it a lot more than people credit

31st January 2007, 17:20

the 8v suits the tight country road driving i like to do

a 16v would need to be worked harder to keep up the rev range

as my mate finds in the s2 rallye he has to work the gears a hell of a lot more than i do cos in 3rd gear on a country road its pretty much bang on the money so perfectly suited to the roads i like to give it some on

on a track it will hold its own but unlikely to set the world alight

should stull upset a few though

31st January 2007, 17:28

standard VTR and VTS have roughly the same amount of torque actually. just at different rev points. VTS has a higher rev limit and so can have the gear ratio's smaller (gearbox acts as a torque multiplier) thus the smaller the ratios, the greater the torque multiplication. hence why the VTS is a quicker beastie.

31st January 2007, 17:29

anyways whats important is the area under a RR graph (assuming the RR is accurate

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31st January 2007, 17:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

hence why the VTS is a quicker beastie.

yet to have one try proving it the country though

we need more vts owners up for a drive out

31st January 2007, 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeds106

yet to have one try proving it the country though

we need more vts owners up for a drive out

Brakes and suspension matter more.

Go on the nurbo trip. In the unlikely event I still have mine then, we'll see if you can keep up

31st January 2007, 17:36

why wouldn't a vts go quicker?

keep it in the right gears... know you're torque profile... know the country lanes. wouldn't be a problem. having said that the torque delivery is much smooth on most 8v. just their breathing goes a tad shitty at the top end, thus no useful torque.

31st January 2007, 17:45

having to drop gears to gain that torque loses time and speed

modding a 16v in the correct way to suit what ya want from it can have a good effect though

i meen personally if we were to talk forced induction id go for a SC over a turbo simply cos id rather have the instant pull then the top end a turbo would give ya

31st January 2007, 18:03

I find 3rd gear is ok from 30-100mph, about the speeds that you need on a lane

31st January 2007, 18:10

you have fettled with yours though

31st January 2007, 18:11

You've fettled yours. Fair is fair

31st January 2007, 18:22

not cammed yet

trip to tms soon for a chat with simon about the best there is for my needs i think

31st January 2007, 19:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott

if your friends and you are so capable stop fannying about with a mild cam and do it then

money it min also have you trying find a 2l 16v redtop of late rare to come by.

ps i not spitting dummy and i am not a kid a have been around many years around modded cars and rally cars to know alittle about things.

31st January 2007, 20:15

lol at the '8v attitude', how is the 8v suited more to country roads? the 16v uses a shorter box to keep it on the boil. now matter what track/roads whatever, the 16v is quicker. end of story.

ahve you tried MIG Web? there will be plenty redtops on there.

29th April 2008, 11:58

was you at liquid car show?

29th April 2008, 12:20

lol at dredging a thread to ask this.

not thought about pming the user?

and also LOL at leeds10fullofshit.