1.5 Diesel Gear box in a VTR?

1. BFannon Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Ashford Kent Posts: 101 MK1 saxo VTS MK2 saxo VTR Toyota Glanza V Toyota S

   #1 25th February 2007, 23:02

   first of all i would like to say hi to all and looks a cool site since perchasing my VTR have loved every minute of it jsut sahme clutch and gear box gone on it after only owning it for 3 weeks but hey things happen but still love it
   
   what would you all say to putting a 1.5 Diesel gear box in a VTR what will that do to my MPG?
   0-60?
   and is it ok?
   many thanks,
   
   reason i ask as my dads mate mechanic said he could fit a 1.5 deisel gear box to my car now or wait for a VTR box to be delivered!
   
   what would you all say as you have probably owned a saxo/VTR longer than me and know abit more than me
   
   any help greatly appreciated
   Thanks Bill.
2. Richardson_VTS Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Northallerton Posts: 1672 Mini Cooper S

   #2 25th February 2007, 23:10

   Im sure ive seen somewhere that its ok to fit the diesel box to a petrol saxo/106, and there stronger than petrol ones. Not sure though, im sure someone will put me right!
3. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

   #3 25th February 2007, 23:28

   the box will fit, all the cogs from all the boxes are just a nice mixture to suit each car.
   
   off the top of my head the derv box is similar to the westcoast/furio ratios, just the final drive is different.
   
   powerwise the box will take it
   I'll try and hunt the ratio's between the two, but my understanding is the VTR box is quite tall so anything in comparision will be shorter which will promote slightly quick acceleration..
4. BFannon Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Ashford Kent Posts: 101 MK1 saxo VTS MK2 saxo VTR Toyota Glanza V Toyota S

   #4 25th February 2007, 23:47

   many thanks for quick replys really appreiciate all the help!
   
   i mean obviously i understand these cars are not stupidly fast but i like to think i could keep with the flow of moving traffic and not cause an accident by stupidly underpowered and not being able to move out of the way or moving traffic without revving the bollocks off of my wee little car!
   
   many thanks again Bill.
5. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

   #5 25th February 2007, 23:51

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by BFannon many thanks for quick replys really appreiciate all the help! i mean obviously i understand these cars are not stupidly fast but i like to think i could keep with the flow of moving traffic and not cause an accident by stupidly underpowered and not being able to move out of the way or moving traffic without revving the bollocks off of my wee little car! many thanks again Bill.

   Bill dont worry the car will not suddenly transform into a 1.5D lol
   
   I cant find the ratio's... its in the haynes manual but I dont have mine with me
6. BFannon Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Ashford Kent Posts: 101 MK1 saxo VTS MK2 saxo VTR Toyota Glanza V Toyota S

   #6 25th February 2007, 23:55

   good good lol!
   
   ok thanks mate so i shouldnt expect to see any huge noticable differences then no?
   
   nothing to worry about as you have already said just slightly quicker on the excelleration and the fact that is a sturdier(if that is even a word lol) box?
   
   thanks again Bill
7. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

   #7 26th February 2007, 00:01

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by BFannon good good lol! ok thanks mate so i shouldnt expect to see any huge noticable differences then no? nothing to worry about as you have already said just slightly quicker on the excelleration and the fact that is a sturdier(if that is even a word lol) box? thanks again Bill

   
   I'm not 100% sure on the ratio comparisons between the two, but all in all, you want have any troubles with the fitment (as i understand it). the box isnt sturdier than any of the other boxes but it'll take it
8. vtscotty Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2006 Manchester Posts: 295 Focus RS 260 bhp

   #8 26th February 2007, 08:41

   My gearbox went and i had a diesel box put in, there was no difference in 1st gear but when i changed in to second gear i had an awful flat spot and it did 80 mph in second gear, the flat spot was awful and took about a second off my 0 - 60, so i had my old box reconditiond and put bk in, and it runs perfect now.
9. yorkie Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2005 flavalas of york United Kingdom (England) Posts: 8456 gen7 toyota celica

   #9 26th February 2007, 09:02

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by vtscotty when i changed in to second gear i had an awful flat spot and it did 80 mph in second gear, the flat spot was awful and took about a second off my 0 - 60,

   80 in second , sumone going to say sum thing!!! lol
10. thekore Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2007 Kennoway, Fife Posts: 170 97 Saxo 1.5 XD

    #10 26th February 2007, 13:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by yorkie 80 in second , sumone going to say sum thing!!! lol

    Indeed, I hit 40 in second in my 1.5D and it screams. 80 I find extremely hard to beleive.
11. tpreece88 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 Hereford (West Mids) Posts: 755 VTR and 307 Hdi

    #11 26th February 2007, 16:03

    80 in 2nd...ha!
12. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

    #12 26th February 2007, 16:10

    vts with diesel gearbox and standard limiter hits 63.9mph in 2nd. Not quite sure where you get 80mph in second from? even with limiter raised to 7900rpm you'd still only hit 70.1mph