Diesel Gear Box Or Not!

1. saxolee1986 Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Matlock, Derbyshire United Kingdom (England) Posts: 109 Saxo VTR Mk 2 Saxo VTS Mk 1

   #1 26th February 2007, 12:23

   Hello there
   
   ive got a saxo vtr mk2 chipped cammed vernier pulley decat etc and ive been told i a diesel gear box out of a 106 or something simular will give me more torque!
   
   And recommendation on what to do!
   
   
   Thanks Lpeet
2. saxoash Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 East Yorkshire United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6169 VTR

   #2 26th February 2007, 12:54

   nope there longer than a vtr box. Get either a 1.1, 1.3 rally or a vts box as there all shorter than a vtr box (1.1 and 1.3 arnt that good for motorway driving becasue of high revs)
3. SAM33R Established Member Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2139 DIABLO RED 106 GTI E36 M3 EVO

   #3 2nd March 2007, 10:17

   yeah dont bother with a 1.1 box!!!!
   
   get a VTS box, there lush mate, short ratios and final drive is good
   
   so suitable for motorway too
4. Scottp Administrator Joined: Dec 2002 Glasgow United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 26097 Chelski Traktor

   #4 2nd March 2007, 10:45

   1.1 and vts box are pretty much the same
5. SAM33R Established Member Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2139 DIABLO RED 106 GTI E36 M3 EVO

   #5 2nd March 2007, 10:46

   hmmmm
   
   i dunno what vts are like for motorway driving
   
   1.1 are really sh*te!!!!
   
   did read a post somewhere what makes a VTS box so good is short ratios and final drive is better than 1.1 so its better for the motorway
6. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

   #6 2nd March 2007, 11:00

   a diesel gearbox will give you more torque? Where the hell do these people come from
   
   Torque is created by the engine, not the gearbox.
7. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

   #7 2nd March 2007, 11:00

   Get a 106 rallye box with a vts final drive
8. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

   #8 2nd March 2007, 11:02

   ^ a 106 rallye box's only difference to the VTS box is the final drive though??
9. djrem Saxperience Addict Joined: Feb 2007 Ramsden Bellhouse (Billericay) Posts: 12826 Various.

   #9 2nd March 2007, 11:03

   My old pug had a standard 106 1.1 gearbox.
   
   My next one i pick up in two weeks has had a diesel box fitted.
   If you can wait that long, i'll be able to tell you if theres any real difference when your on the road
10. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

    #10 2nd March 2007, 11:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CampDavid a diesel gearbox will give you more torque? Where the hell do these people come from Torque is created by the engine, not the gearbox.

    Might just be a bit of confusion between giving torque and handling torque! I know a lot of ford bums that have deisel boxes in their s2 turbos because they handle the torque better than a standard box.
11. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

    #11 2nd March 2007, 11:55

    all MA 'boxes are the same strength though, so that wouldn't come into it.
12. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #12 2nd March 2007, 13:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CampDavid a diesel gearbox will give you more torque? Where the hell do these people come from Torque is created by the engine, not the gearbox.

    gearbox however, does muiltiply the torque...
13. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #13 2nd March 2007, 13:29

    it does but peek torque will still be the same amount and in the same place.
    
    Either way, it'll make a VTR rubbish everywhere appart from the motorway with derv ratios
14. GreenSaxo Saxperience Addict Joined: Dec 2002 Ashford, Kent, United Kingdom (England) Posts: 12835 Cammed Saxo "desire" 16v

    #14 2nd March 2007, 21:06

    vts on a diesel box.. if u can hit limiter in 5th.. u can go 169mph hahaha
15. user_8040 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2005 MaDchester Posts: 8432 Vts

    #15 3rd March 2007, 11:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GreenSaxo vts on a diesel box.. if u can hit limiter in 5th.. u can go 169mph hahaha

    thought the derv boxes have little revs, therefore top end is low?
16. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

    #16 3rd March 2007, 15:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by b0t13 thought the derv boxes have little revs, therefore top end is low?

    gearboxes don't rev, engines do.
17. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #17 3rd March 2007, 15:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by b0t13 thought the derv boxes have little revs, therefore top end is low?

    well i think 5000rpm equates to 110 on the clock, which is about the useful limit of torque on a NA'd derv. but a VTS has higher revs so it can keep going. so 7500rpm (for instance) equates to 165mph.
18. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

    #18 3rd March 2007, 15:44

    From what I have read nobody has actually proved the difference in the
    boxes.
    I personally think that the cash spend on replacing on VTS/GTi box for
    an S1 rallye box could be better spent elsewhere. S1 Rallye boxes will
    be expensive and may require refurbing! Plus then there is fitting.
    
    Wouldnt even consider the Diesel box, dont see any obvious benifits.
    Research before you buy mate, dont just waste your cash.
19. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

    #19 3rd March 2007, 15:45

    Just to add, the GTi/VTS box seems very good as it is. Gearing is spot on.
    But 5th is also good for motorway driving. (ish)
20. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #20 3rd March 2007, 15:54

    I dont suppose someone could open their haynes manual and post the gear ratios of all boxes please
21. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

    #21 3rd March 2007, 17:49

    I got the 106 one at home (basic one not the modifying one) would it be in
    there?
22. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #22 3rd March 2007, 19:18

    not sure man lol
23. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

    #23 3rd March 2007, 20:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adsayer I dont suppose someone could open their haynes manual and post the gear ratios of all boxes please

    something I meant to do ages ago, it's in the car now though, and the car is at the garage. If I remember i'll pop along and get it on Monday unless someone posts the ratios up before then.
24. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #24 3rd March 2007, 20:49

    cheers man, I'm sure I posted them up yonks ago but for life of cant find them serves me right for spamming.