Whats the difference??

1. vtr_driver Established Member Joined: Aug 2006 Consett Co.Durham Posts: 1126 2000 Ph2 VTR

   #1 1st March 2007, 14:19

   Whats the difference between the Phase 1 and Phase 2 VTR's that give the Phase 2's 98bhp?
   
   Less restrictive Inlet manifold? ECU changes? Different cam profile? Compression ration change? Better designed head?
   
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2. R4T Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4630

   #2 1st March 2007, 14:20

   oh dear this topic again lol
3. R4T Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4630

   #3 1st March 2007, 14:20

   they are all the same bhp?
4. dsh85 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2005 Teesside Posts: 8800 focus tdci, clio v6

   #4 1st March 2007, 14:21

   changes were made due to emission control i think, unsure on what however
   
   cat was moved to the manifold though rather than underneath
5. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #5 1st March 2007, 14:22

   do a search mate and right section
   
   but i am sure different cams (dont quote me on that), more efficient ecu(3 plug), some phase 2's are 90bhp for the record
   
   as said cat's in the manifold! 2 sensors aswel where as 90bhp has one.
   
   90bhp seem to be better to mod, cheaper aswell! more expensive to buy exhausts and green induction kits for the 98bhp. also different interior think that adds a few bhp!
6. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #6 1st March 2007, 14:23

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by vtr_driver Whats the difference between the Phase 1 and Phase 2 VTR's that give the Phase 2's 98bhp? Less restrictive Inlet manifold? ECU changes? Different cam profile? Compression ration change? Better designed head? Rep for the best answer

   off topic but you checked the NE thread lately! get yourself along on sunday
7. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #7 1st March 2007, 14:26

   i would say different cam profile, they have a different airbox on the air intake aswel.
8. saxoash Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 East Yorkshire United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6169 VTR

   #8 1st March 2007, 14:41

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Stevey 90bhp seem to be better to mod, cheaper aswell! more expensive to buy exhausts and green induction kits for the 98bhp. also different interior think that adds a few bhp!

   Only more expensive for exhaust is because cat is in manifold so its a manifold back exhaust, not that much more expensive.
   
   Also induction kits are more expensive for 98bhp saxo, thats bull S**t too lol
9. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #9 1st March 2007, 20:04

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by saxoash Only more expensive for exhaust is because cat is in manifold so its a manifold back exhaust, not that much more expensive. Also induction kits are more expensive for 98bhp saxo, thats bull S**t too lol

   Is it though?
   http://www.gsmotorsport.com/green-co...tion-p-62.html
10. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #10 1st March 2007, 20:13

    Not having a dig mate just what i have came across thats all, and yeah exhausts more expensive cos its manifold back!
11. Aron Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Nuneaton Posts: 3554 EP3 Civic

    #11 1st March 2007, 22:06

    The only main difference is the cams and valves. We have 2 racing vtr in the garage and the cam n valves are different and timings are different. If you put a phase 1 ecu in a phase 2 you will get 101bhp. O yer and the inlet maifolds are different but bother produe the same bhp.
12. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #12 1st March 2007, 22:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by awright The only main difference is the cams and valves. We have 2 racing vtr in the garage and the cam n valves are different and timings are different. If you put a phase 1 ecu in a phase 2 you will get 101bhp. O yer and the inlet maifolds are different but bother produe the same bhp.

    good explanation! the 98bhp's throttle body is plastic aswel isnt it?
13. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #13 1st March 2007, 22:09

    may i ask how the single ecu is better than the 3plug? for tuning that is.