106 red top

7th March 2007, 13:06

Can it be done because i am seriously considering doing it if it is possible

7th March 2007, 13:11

Go for it, would fly..

7th March 2007, 13:12

as in a 2ltr red top?

why not stick a gt/vts lump in n give it cams, would be better

7th March 2007, 13:15

would be different mate,Perosnally id get a vts lump and cam it,

7th March 2007, 13:15

Yeah thats what he means i would imagine, vauxhall 2.0 litre redtop. Not sure on relibilty of the block on those though.

7th March 2007, 13:16

would it fit in the front? it wouldnt be a straight fit would it? waste of time as a cammed s engine would be same power and better

7th March 2007, 13:25

it would prbs go in the front......but the hassle off it wouldnt be worth it,get a cammed S lump and thats all you'll need

7th March 2007, 14:27

You would be so much better off with the 2.0 redtop, C20XE (157bhp) is the cheapest at around £400 for a good one and the C20LET (204bhp) is the turbo usually goes around £800

Get the C20XE redtop and then go here (http://www.mvaux.com/ - Products> Turbo Kits > Calibra - Vectra ) and spend 614 quid on a nice turbo kit good for upto 300bhp. With a standard engine id say youd be safe at 180 - 90 - With a bit of head work etc you should push 240 bhp. www.migweb.co.uk is a good resource for fitting/parts and help!!!

The main reason id pick the redtop is that the redtop is used all over you can find parts for dirt cheap....

7th March 2007, 14:28

it really isnt worth it

your best of tunning the 16v saxo/106 engine

it will need custom parts

and will weigh to much so will ruin the handling of it

7th March 2007, 14:30

I agree with hesslevtr

7th March 2007, 14:35

with a bit of work you can lighten up the redtop, there was one on ebay not long ago that was fully worked over and was light enough to carry

- Although that was in excess of a grand

The VTS engine would be better if you were on a budget no doubt just a shame parts aint as popular

Would you be able to put in some front shox from a Xsara 2.0?? Im not clued up on citroens

7th March 2007, 14:55

it was a thought that came into my head before because i just want to have a really individual car that no one has tried before.

my dream engine in my pug would have to be a rs turbo in the boot but that has been done.

i thought bout a gti lump but it is just a bit to simple.

7th March 2007, 14:57

If they can fit into a British Layland Mini it can go anywhere!

But is it worth it? Hmmmmm Id probally say No.

For the amount of time and money to frabricate custom parts just to get it in there you might as well stick with the TU 16v unit and either cam it, If you want to spend that kinda money.

Anything is possible if you got the time and money.

Good power can be squeeze out the 16v lump, full breathering mods and good set of cams and remap could see you pushing 160bhp from a very light engine.

7th March 2007, 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by 106rich

it was a thought that came into my head before because i just want to have a really individual car that no one has tried before.

my dream engine in my pug would have to be a rs turbo in the boot but that has been done.

i thought bout a gti lump but it is just a bit to simple.

Again this proves my point but Jamsport spent alot of money doing that I reckon if it was your money, also would you be happy having a hole where the back seats where? It then becomes a track car and the whole point of hot hatches is that its there for everyday use.

If your lookin for a track only car then thats totally different

7th March 2007, 15:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by 106rich

it was a thought that came into my head before because i just want to have a really individual car that no one has tried before.

my dream engine in my pug would have to be a rs turbo in the boot but that has been done.

i thought bout a gti lump but it is just a bit to simple.

if you have enough money anything is possible

depends how far you want togo and what you can afford

7th March 2007, 15:05

^^^

Great minds think alike mate

7th March 2007, 15:10

saxo handle like crap anyway! so putting a redtop wouldnt make much difference to handling! and as far as i know redtops are pretty darn reliable, my mates had about 9 in loadsa different novas and corsas and hes never had any problems!!

7th March 2007, 15:13

sounds like a quality project though.

i saw a fiat panda with an RS turbo engine. i think ive seen it all now.

A 300bhp saxo though, it'd wee all over any cammed up gti!

go for it mate!

7th March 2007, 15:30

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Originally Posted by sy_g

saxo handle like crap anyway! so putting a redtop wouldnt make much difference to handling! and as far as i know redtops are pretty darn reliable, my mates had about 9 in loadsa different novas and corsas and hes never had any problems!!

Do you meen saxos that are stanard handle crap?

7th March 2007, 15:33

Used to run a Nova with a 2 ltr XE motor fitted in the Cotswold Tarmac Rally Championships quite a few years ago.

Std XE motor with cossie rod bolts fitted, running on Jenvey 48 TB's and all going through a Quaife European straight cut dog box. On the rollers it was producing a tad over 200 bhp at the flywheel

Kept breaking the group A outer CV joints which was rather annoying.

The engine was originally fitted into a Fiat Strada Abarth before then!

7th March 2007, 15:47

problem with fitting an engine like that into the front is that the weight of it will be further forward than the standard engine (If I remember correctly) and ruin the cornering abillity of the car.

Of course if you live your life a quarter of a mile at a time then it isn't a concern

7th March 2007, 16:07

even standard saxo doesnt handle like crap, well known as an excellent hadnling small car, either that or you cant drive or have a shitter.

7th March 2007, 18:24

a VTS engine is good for 250bhp+ mate, so why on earth would you want to ruin the handling and spend so much money to get a big fat red top lump squeezed in there?

if your thinking of doing something hardcore, loose your back seats and go for the Type R engine conversion!! that'll give you a solid base of 270bhp to play with!

7th March 2007, 19:37

Renault 5 gt turbo engine all the way hehe.

7th March 2007, 20:22

i dont think it will be worth it, too much hassle and too heavy, i work on the same sort of cars every day with varieties of engines in one of which is the redtop, agree they are powerful and a good starting point but damn they are heavy!!stick with the 1.6 16v gti/vts engine like all the other guys are saying.

7th March 2007, 23:46

If you've got the money fella go for it, Redtops, are very reliable engines. Way better than any french engine lol.

8th March 2007, 00:16

a red top in a saxo would be awesome.

if peeps can cram a 3l v6 into a corsa engine bay, dont see why a red top wont fit into a saxo. a turbo red top would be fooking awesome, would take some time and money to do, but would be a 1off, thats what its all about right??

8th March 2007, 00:20

seen a red top in a 306 tht was kewl!!

8th March 2007, 00:31

I wouldnt say them redtops are more reliable than any french engine tbh. Vauxhalls aint the best cars made mind..

TU 16v is the way to go.

8th March 2007, 00:39

if it would fit, i would chuck a red top turbo in my saxo anyday

would even flog the spare vts engine and turbo kit, to fit a red top vaux turbo motor. it would be something different and pritty special. you can get some awesome figures out of the red top turbos. my mate has had them, in novas, corsas, cavs, calibras, astras and astra vans lol a few of them topping out at 160 - 170 mph

can imagine it being a tw@ to do thou, not sure what you would do for a box and shafts etc. lol

8th March 2007, 07:21

Seen a red top in a 306 not bad, red top in a sax... red tops are good universal engines and used in many things, iirc they are nick named the most versatile engine!?? But in a 106/saxo.... Hmm in mot sure... 306s are heavy anyway so not to bad a choice for them. Anything is possible though, a cossie transit van even, as my mate has!

saxos handle well, they are known for it!!! uness you cant drive or have a shitter right scott, LMBO! It is best not to play around with the handling IMO.

Yes it would be nice to see but would it ruin the cars drive... possibly yes! driving a car is the wholerpoint isnt it... i mean you want the red top as its a good powerfull engine, so i presume your looking to drive it like a %^&$ somtimes... there are better choices of engine for the job imo.

8th March 2007, 07:42

If you want a more powerful engine then i'd look at some made by Honda or even something like the ford Duratec. You can have light, powerful and compact in one package.
Personally I wouldn't ever compromise the handling just to get more power.

8th March 2007, 08:01

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Originally Posted by Scott

even standard saxo doesnt handle like crap, well known as an excellent hadnling small car, either that or you cant drive or have a shitter.

Char ching

8th March 2007, 22:02

would be good to see but as its been said a vts or gti engine with cams would be much better

11th March 2007, 18:30

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Originally Posted by VTS_16v_Boy

Again this proves my point but Jamsport spent alot of money doing that I reckon if it was your money

jamsport didnt build that car it was MJS
and i dont think a redtop would be that much heavyer than a vts lump, ive seen onein a 306 plus many other cars and i was going to put one in a mk1 golf

11th March 2007, 18:33

Y not put a hair dryer motor in, hay its never been doen before!! LMBO!

Sorry back on track....

Do it if you want a one off dont do it if you want a good drive!

12th March 2007, 15:45

Just to correct some people my car is a 106

12th March 2007, 15:52

106 nad saxo are the same car mate. Peugeot own approx 80% of Citreon! IIRC

14th March 2007, 11:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by WestyVTR

106 nad saxo are the same car mate. Peugeot own approx 80% of Citreon! IIRC

ano but no offense to every1 with a saxo a just really don't like ma car being called a saxo no offense like lol.

14th March 2007, 11:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by 106rich

ano but no offense to every1 with a saxo a just really don't like ma car being called a saxo no offense like lol.

:s im confussed mate

at the end of the day saxo and 106 are the same basically

14th March 2007, 13:59

Try and cram this one in there....Clicky

14th March 2007, 14:16

that would be crazy!!