t series engine in saxo?

1. HAMEL Newbie Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 7

   #1 15th March 2007, 21:53

   some guy on ebay metioned putting the rover 220 (200 bhp) 2l turbo engine into a saxo? anyone heard of this before? would be rapid if possible!!!!
2. woodsy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 area 51, navada desert Posts: 2809 mk1 1998 silver saxo vts

   #2 15th March 2007, 21:55

   to my knowledge ive never heard, seen, questioned this been done
3. Predator_R32p Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP

   #3 15th March 2007, 21:56

   ROVER no bloody way hozay lol, i wouldnt go near one sorry
4. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

   #4 15th March 2007, 21:57

   you want a rover 200 engine, buy a rover 200. 200bhp@wheels can be acheived easily with vts engine.
5. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

   #5 15th March 2007, 22:28

   for the amount of money you would spend getting 1 fitted with the custom parts
   
   you could get a vts upto that bhp
6. turbo_dave Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Down south Posts: 105 E36 M3 3.0 & 2.1 Mondeo w/Eaton M62

   #6 15th March 2007, 22:37

   Robin Hood Engineering before it was sold did a kit called the 1-0-Sax where they fitted this engine into a 106 shell that was panelled up as a Saxo.
   
   This had the Rover T16 turbo engine fitted.
   
   What precisely is wrong with the Rover anyway, that no one can say about the Saxo/106? Mmm?
7. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

   #7 15th March 2007, 22:40

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by turbo_dave Robin Hood Engineering before it was sold did a kit called the 1-0-Sax where they fitted this engine into a 106 shell that was panelled up as a Saxo. This had the Rover T16 turbo engine fitted. What precisely is wrong with the Rover anyway, that no one can say about the Saxo/106? Mmm?

   no 1 said anythings wrong with the rover
   
   but why put a rover engine in a saxo when you can tune the perfectley good vts engine to the same spec for more or less the same price as fitting the rover engine
   
   fitting the bigger engine will also ruin the handleing of the saxo which imo is a daft thing todo unless your just using for 1/4mile days
8. Predator_R32p Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP

   #8 15th March 2007, 22:58

   i just wouldnt touch a rover or engine just for the parts and the reliability ave heard with them
9. woodsy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 area 51, navada desert Posts: 2809 mk1 1998 silver saxo vts

   #9 15th March 2007, 23:01

   didnt rover turn to honda to replace the engine
10. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #10 15th March 2007, 23:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Predator_VTR i just wouldnt touch a rover or engine just for the parts and the reliability ave heard with them

    some rovers do come with honda engines which are fine
    
    problems with the rother engines are head gaskets and the shafts in the gearboxs go alot to
11. woodsy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 area 51, navada desert Posts: 2809 mk1 1998 silver saxo vts

    #11 15th March 2007, 23:07

    i think ill stick with the tu engine thank you
12. Predator_R32p Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP

    #12 15th March 2007, 23:08

    yeah thats right hess forgot about that, but id rather have a VTS engine in and tune that up or buy a rover with that engine in which i still woulnt do cos i dont like rovers at all
13. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #13 15th March 2007, 23:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Predator_VTR yeah thats right hess forgot about that, but id rather have a VTS engine in and tune that up

    like i said then
14. turbo_dave Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Down south Posts: 105 E36 M3 3.0 & 2.1 Mondeo w/Eaton M62

    #14 15th March 2007, 23:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by woodsy didnt rover turn to honda to replace the engine

    No they didn't. The K series was a 1.4 originally, and was used as a smaller option for the D series Honda unit. The K was bored and stroked over the years with new liners and eventually a new crank for the 1.8 (wet liner engines so capacity changes are easy).
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hesslevtr fitting the bigger engine will also ruin the handleing of the saxo which imo is a daft thing todo unless your just using for 1/4mile days

    Indeed, never said it was good, just hate to see ignorant people ragging on a perfectly good engine. Nothing wrong with the T16 motors head gasket, just a rather stpid design point that makes it leak oil...
    
    K series engines are prone to gasket failure due to cheapwad owners that scrimp on servicing and who rag the engine from cold.
15. Predator_R32p Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP

    #15 15th March 2007, 23:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hesslevtr like i said then

    yes master
16. Gabbastard Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390

    #16 16th March 2007, 01:35

    Also, the Kseries has a low coolant capacity which means its easy for the coolant temp to get too high.
    
    The VTS engine is surprisingly underrated; if you see the big ends in them you will laugh as they are MASSIVE, about 2litre equivalents easily. Pistons and rods are pretty hardy too, you need to go some to break a TU5 bottom end.
17. woodsy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 area 51, navada desert Posts: 2809 mk1 1998 silver saxo vts

    #17 16th March 2007, 08:22

    as a certain person told me last night the bottom end on a TU is bomb proof
    
    shows as my block as done 145K
18. SAM33R Established Member Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2139 DIABLO RED 106 GTI E36 M3 EVO

    #18 16th March 2007, 10:28

    how can you achieve 200bhp with a sax???? turbo obviously, which is alot of cash too....
    
    i dont think rover are good (sh*t)
19. Ste Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Yorkshire Posts: 5415 Saxo

    #19 16th March 2007, 11:13

    One of my mates has just bought a rover 200 so he cant put the engine in his rover 214... i hate rovers but his looks really good!!!
20. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #20 16th March 2007, 11:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SAM33R how can you achieve 200bhp with a sax???? turbo obviously, which is alot of cash too.... i dont think rover are good (sh*t)

    turbo or supercharger
21. johnnyg_vts Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Fleetwood Posts: 2244 2002 Saxo VTS

    #21 17th March 2007, 08:00

    it would be rapid...Once!...and then Bang! as the Rover engine self destructs.
22. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #22 17th March 2007, 14:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SAM33R how can you achieve 200bhp with a sax???? turbo obviously, which is alot of cash too.... i dont think rover are good (sh*t)

    the F2 kit cars were 213bhp N/a
    
    A fair amount of wedge is thrown at them though
23. turbo_dave Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Down south Posts: 105 E36 M3 3.0 & 2.1 Mondeo w/Eaton M62

    #23 17th March 2007, 17:58

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by johnnyg_vts it would be rapid...Once!...and then Bang! as the Rover engine self destructs.

    No it doesn't.
    
    The 177k mile Rover ^20Ti sat outside proves this. There's nothing wrong with the T series engine apart from a recurring oil leak from one corner of the headgasket.
    
    Chav owners who fit bleed valves to turbo Rovers manage to blow them up regularly due to the engines suffering from Imprezza piston syndrome.