port & polished throttle body (ALL EXPLAINED PAGE 4)

17th March 2007, 15:24

hi everyone.
as you know i port & polish a lot of VTS and VTR throttlebodys to sell on sax-p and also on ebay.

just thought i had to share this with you as i am so shocked!

since i dropped the vts engine in my vtr i ported & poloshed the throttlebody. today i stuck a standard one back on and took it for a blast.

i can honestly say that i am gob-smacked with how much slower my car feels! throttle response it uber shit and it has got very poor power in lower revs. it feels like there is something restricting the revs!
(compared to havuing the p&p throttle body on)

I can guarentee that my figure of 166bhp on my cammed vts has DEFINATLY been helped by having a port & polished throttlebody included in my spec.

17th March 2007, 15:36

slighly off topic but you cant guarantee that figure of 166 @ the fly

the wheels figure you can

Always thought the inlet system on teh saxo's was pretty decent, but good ot hear it can be improved cheaply to

17th March 2007, 15:37

lol lets talk wheels figures then dude!

i just thought i was back in the vts before it was cammed!lol just couldnt beleive the difference between ported & standard unless its just the fact that my car hasnt been mapped to a standard throttlebody but i doubt it!

17th March 2007, 15:41

Suppose the map would be slightly out with the standard body on. Which begs the question why you have a standard one back on

17th March 2007, 15:45

lol it was easy £££

a mate of mine asked me if i could port & polish his throttlebody for him so i said yer. he arrived at my house a bit later than usual and i only had 30mins before i had to get changed to go out so i just said we would do a swap.

then when i get chance ill port & polished what WAS his standard throttlebody.

that fu**er is gonna be the fastest iv ever ported & polished a throttlebody lol cause its shite as standard!

17th March 2007, 15:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by spencer_cammedvts

hi everyone.
as you know i port & polish a lot of throttlebodys to sell on sa-p and also on ebay.

just thought i had to share this with you as i am so shocked!

since i dropped the vts engine in my vtr i ported & poloshed the throttlebody. today i stuck a standard one back on and took it for a blast.

i can honestly say that i am gob-smacked with how much slower my car feels! throttle response it uber shit and it has got very poor power in lower revs. it feels like there is something restricting the revs!
(compared to havuing the p&p throttle body on)

I can guarentee that my figure of 166bhp on my cammed vts has DEFINATLY been helped by having a port & polished throttlebody included in my spec.

i agree mate, couldnt believe how freely it revs!

17th March 2007, 15:56

did you get yours off me or stevenet?

i also cut down the spindle and knife edge the leading edge of the butterfly

17th March 2007, 16:33

Will be going for one of these very soon

17th March 2007, 16:46

PM'd ya about one mate

17th March 2007, 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by spencer_cammedvts

I can guarentee that my figure of 166bhp on my cammed vts has DEFINATLY been helped by having a port & polished throttlebody included in my spec.

Can you provide dyno plots to back this up?

17th March 2007, 18:27

aye, got mine off stevenet, dont think it had that done tho, but then again i dinar what im looking at anyways lol

17th March 2007, 18:57

Deffinately makes a difference, i can remember talking to you about it, when you first did yours spence, i did mine shortly after u.

17th March 2007, 19:06

i know matey. i can remember chatting. dont get me wrong guys stevenet does a good job and does it at a good price too as these can take a while to do! i have a couple of vtr ones on ebay at the moment. they end tomorrow evening if anyone is interested? thay are on a part exchange basis.

17th March 2007, 19:14

hi there, pm'd you mate.

17th March 2007, 19:25

pm replied to matey

17th March 2007, 19:36

cheers, i've sent you another, just picking your brains. sorry.

17th March 2007, 19:40

thats ok mate. feel free to post any questions in thisw topic!

18th March 2007, 01:45

How much do you do the vts ones for feller?

18th March 2007, 07:27

pm me for prices if interested.

18th March 2007, 15:04

Steve does them cheaper.

He told me he was the one that made the guide in the first place anyway.

18th March 2007, 16:24

can u also do these for 1.4 engines?

18th March 2007, 16:29

how much does steve charge? where is the guide for doing it?

18th March 2007, 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by riggsy

Steve does them cheaper.

He told me he was the one that made the guide in the first place anyway.

i first put the thread up about the port & polished vts throttle bodys and about removing the lips,imperfections etc... and spencer also contributed to this and went on to do it for people where i jsut did it for myself at the time. spencers work is real good and he is a genuine nice bloke, there is nothing in it between one i have proted and one he has ported as we both do the same thing but if u do decide to get a ported throttle body get it off either spensor or myslef rather then someone else as we have done quite a few between us and know exactly what were doing

18th March 2007, 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTR

how much does steve charge? where is the guide for doing it?

the guide is no longer avaliable and it was for vts throttle bodys not vtr, also u need the right equipment and tools to get the good finish with out imperfections and it also takes a good few hours to do wich is why its easyer for people to get us to do it. i am currently only stocking vts throttle bodys but if you wnat a vtr one pm spensor and he can sort you out

18th March 2007, 16:38

can sumone do a 98bhp vtr one then please lol?

18th March 2007, 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banger_VTR

can sumone do a 98bhp vtr one then please lol?

there plastic, lol you still nto found out if can stick a 90bhp one on?

18th March 2007, 16:41

no lol crnt get a straight answer if theyll fit or not lol

18th March 2007, 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banger_VTR

no lol crnt get a straight answer if theyll fit or not lol

sure someone would know, not got anyone near you with a 90bhp and do a test fit!

18th March 2007, 16:43

na, that wud be the easyest thing to do like

18th March 2007, 16:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banger_VTR

na, that wud be the easyest thing to do like

certainly would be

18th March 2007, 19:52

can do a mk2 vtr one anyway. even though they are plastic there are still restrictive areas on them!

iv done well over a hunderead of these now and also do them for other cars such as rs turbo's, vauxhaul redtop engines, mondeo, corsa's and rover k series ones

18th March 2007, 19:55

ill drop the price lads,
£23 including postage!

18th March 2007, 19:55

i love the noise difference it made on my car. much more towards the noise of a proper TB's engine.

18th March 2007, 19:57

£23 for a plastic vtr one, will they make the same difference as a metal one

18th March 2007, 20:05

yes it will make a similar difference mate.

18th March 2007, 20:06

so it will be 23 + my old one,deal

18th March 2007, 20:11

i havnt got a mk2 vtr one mate. but if you send me yours then i can do it for you for £23

18th March 2007, 20:13

i used the car everyday mate,so i couldnt do that

18th March 2007, 20:18

would need to source a second hand one from somewhere then matey. ill keep my eye out any you have a look around to

18th March 2007, 20:27

nice one mate

18th March 2007, 20:41

and yes i can do the 1.4 throttle bodies too

18th March 2007, 22:51

£23 posted for a mk2 VTS one mate??

19th March 2007, 09:06

yes mate. but that is on an exchange basis. like you send me your standard one once the port & polioshed throttlebody is finished

19th March 2007, 09:41

i have a 1.4 furio and that is a plastic TB, would a metal one fit on? if so from what saxo?

19th March 2007, 09:54

Ahh right the price they now sit at sounds fair mate!

19th March 2007, 09:54

im not sure matey but if you sent me yours then i could do it for you.

19th March 2007, 09:55

its very underpriced to be honest mate! hi flow heads do them for £55! so £23 is a fookin bargain! lol. but if it means more business im willing to drop.

19th March 2007, 14:43

i may have one mate i do have a spare too

ps i have a mk1 90bhp engine (vtr) and the manifold is plastic my mates is also

19th March 2007, 16:20

awesome! just give me a shout when you want it doing and ill give you my address to send it too!

19th March 2007, 20:20

Have you got a VTS one done, ready to send to me, then i send you mine back to ya??

19th March 2007, 21:15

bumperty bump!

20th March 2007, 09:09

£23 how much did you used to charge, might get mine done next week! car should be going to body shop for 2 days al see if i can take it off then, but they made need to the car to drive. How much does it cost for me to post it to you mate? what sort of turn around could you do? say if i sent it to you on the wednesday could you have it to me on the friday?

20th March 2007, 12:47

its all postage time really! it takes about 4 days from when you send it till you get it back,
used to charge £35.99

20th March 2007, 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by spencer_cammedvts

its all postage time really! it takes about 4 days from when you send it till you get it back,
used to charge £35.99

how much you think will cost to send to you? al have to ask the guys at the body shop if they will need my car in running order

21st March 2007, 08:16

around £2.20 1st class recorded

21st March 2007, 09:05

23squid for a vts one posted?

i send you ,ime and you send me a ported and polished one?

whats the crack with these, what do you do, how much you take off them?

surely you can only open the filter end of the TB up, wont be able to touch the butterfly end?
not that i have ever had a look at the vts TB, lol just curious lol

21st March 2007, 09:30

there is quite a fair bit taken off them, there is a big lip restriction point jsut before the butterfly that restrics the airflow, this is comletely boared back, there are also loads of casting marks around the other areas of the throttle body that are taken back and then the whole thing is smoothed and buffed up and few other little bits done. everyone that i have sold one to has been very happy with the results. its hard to show u what exactly we do but in laymans terms its like having a 2" drain pipe with a 1.5" pipe in the middle it will restrict airflow. here is a sorta pic that shows u the lip

21st March 2007, 09:34

very good diargram i understand fuly now. be a few weeks before i send you mine mate but will get it done.

22nd March 2007, 13:27

slight alteration to that diagram that i will put up soon

22nd March 2007, 14:44

Yea if you could mate, interested for the furio.

Just dont see it making much difference if its plastic as there isnt that much restriction.

22nd March 2007, 16:21

as requested

http://s150.photobucket.com/albums/s...rent=TBBBB.jpg

22nd March 2007, 16:29

good pics spence, i tried showign that on the pics that i mad but it was hard and i did it in paint lol

22nd March 2007, 17:01

Lol. I Just Had A Faf About On Some Drawing Software.

22nd March 2007, 19:09

Sorry if i am being thick here, however can you just point out where exactly you are reducing the restriction.

Just all the completed port & polishes i have seen are for mk1 vts' etc.

22nd March 2007, 20:22

the whlle of the rim would be knife edged, the spindle would be cut down and there are areas at the back and the the front that arnt visible from the piks that sre ground away and smoothed.

23rd March 2007, 12:37

29th March 2007, 17:04

DAN-VTS could you stick those pics up in here for me that you took??

30th March 2007, 01:55

Thanx, stevenet15 you will be doing mine when i can send you it.

30th March 2007, 15:22

hi, do you have any vts ones at the moment? cheers

30th March 2007, 16:34

got 5 on their way to me. hopefully should get them next week indevidually. ill post up when i got one. 2 are allready reserved 1st

30th March 2007, 23:12

can you reserve one for me aswell mate? ill defo take one

31st March 2007, 08:13

when i get them ill post up in this forum.

1st April 2007, 21:08

Fitted mine last week, i got some pics to show

Ported and non ported:

Non ported:

Ported:

1st April 2007, 22:49

id be interested in one of these spencer..

1st April 2007, 22:55

hi everone im new so i dont realy know where to post but i need some help.My mate has got a polished vts rocker cover which he is selling but i dont want to buy it because i dont know if it will discolour under the heat as it is only polished not chrome plated.can someone please help me.many thanks.

2nd April 2007, 00:04

yes mate, it will be fine. you just give it a polish every now and then with some metal polish like autosol and a little bit of elbow grease

, it wont discolor with the heat.

2nd April 2007, 00:05

ahh never really understood this before. Those photos and diagram make it alot easier

thanks

3rd April 2007, 00:33

hi i cnt seem to pm spence cammed,wont let me for sum reason,any chance you cud sort me out with the p+p throttle body jobie????

3rd April 2007, 00:34

am going to take a look at my throttle body tmw to see if it can be done on a 1.1. Someone said that it could be plastic though

3rd April 2007, 07:46

that dont matter matey thee plastic ones can be done. they just wont look shiney as fck as you cant polish them as such. you can still get then as good as the metal ones though. stick a pic of it up.

3rd April 2007, 07:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by simongvts

hi i cnt seem to pm spence cammed,wont let me for sum reason,any chance you cud sort me out with the p+p throttle body jobie????

i can sort you out mate. im awaiting 6 in the post! but they just havnt turned up yet! will stick a post up when they do. then its 1st come 1st serve. allready got two resrved for "themarkyg" & someone else im not reserving anymore though as ill lose track.

3rd April 2007, 21:31

Im deffinatly interested. Have sent you a PM. Just let me know the details and i'll get it sorted.

3rd April 2007, 21:54

my prices are in my signature above, at the bottom of my messages/ posts. When i get a spare throttlebody, il post up in this thread-so keep a look out!

4th April 2007, 08:03

So what happened to that little sensor inside the TB? Has it been relocated somewhere else?

4th April 2007, 08:09

little sensor inside the TB? all sensors get put back on after iv finished doing what i do with the throttlebody. no sensors have to be relocated matey.

4th April 2007, 08:59

Take a look at the pictures DANVTS posted on the previous page. That little thingie inside has gone...

4th April 2007, 09:01

ahhh rite. i dont know why he has got it out but i assurre you all sensores are where they should be in the original places

4th April 2007, 09:04

Is that sensor to record the temperature of the air going in? If so, seems pretty important to me. I wonder what he's playing at...

4th April 2007, 12:29

Yes It Is To Record The Air Temp. He Probs Just Whipped It Out To Get A Better Pic Of It. The Car Wudnt Run Properly Without Is And He Has Fitted It As I Have His Standard Throttlebody!

5th April 2007, 11:12

I can send you my tb as the engine isnt in the car yet. Let me know if that any good to ya.

5th April 2007, 12:00

yer thats fine matey! send it to 40 mease close, measham, swadlincote, derbyshire,
DE12 7NA.

MAKE SURE you stick your username on the package so i know its yours. my paypal address for the £25 payment is dannyndonna@tesco.net

5th April 2007, 18:35

If you look at the pics you will see i had the sensor in my standard tb, those pics were taken prior to me swapping everything over. The sensor is now in my ported tb ( and it was lovely to remove too

)

6th April 2007, 09:28

Ok thanks mate. I'll send it when the post office decide to got to work. cheers

12th April 2007, 19:51

fitted mine today and can say it feels more responsive and abit louder but only took it up the road so might be better still when i go for a drive glad i bought it worth the money and all thanks to spencer_cammedvts cheers again mate and anyone thinking of getting one i would recommend

12th April 2007, 20:13

Hey spencer, ever thought about getting your work tested on the rollers for some conclusive evidence? If it works, it could make your sales go through the roof!

13th April 2007, 13:30

I think his results on chipwizards rollers running 708's and standard TB say it all mate...

13th April 2007, 13:33

bang on josh. cheers for that matey

29th May 2007, 18:47

where are u and how would i get them to u

29th May 2007, 21:27

post it off to me mate.

30th May 2007, 01:20

will be getting one soon! hard to fit?

30th May 2007, 07:52

2 minute job matey. 3 5mm allen key bolts

30th May 2007, 13:55

Hi Spencer.
Is there some way for me to have this job done, without missing a TB for a long time? I'm in Denmark you see, so there will be some shipping time... Would you ship me a TB you've made, and i will ship you my old one afterwards when i have changed? Ofcourse i would allow a higher price - both giving there is some shipping cost involved, and the fact that you would be missing a TB for a week or to! But you don't have to worry about me not shipping you a TB again - You can have a copy of my passport or something if that makes you more comfortable!
You can PM or email me... larslaursen@besked.com

30th May 2007, 14:01

Oh and btw i have just done a rolling road on a Optima 2000 on my 16v with Cup intake kit and Supersprint magnum backbox, and it did 124hp flywheel and 150nm torque.
It's at my school they have a rolling road, and i'm allowed to use it all i want. So if you're prepared to see what your P&P can do on paper, i can do a test after mounting the TB. I am not far from ordering a set of 708's to...
I will supply the different data on the measurement (air temp, pressure etc.)!

30th May 2007, 15:14

i have one of these on me vts from stevenet but since having it onmy car a idle really funny the throttle seems to stick at 1850rpm til i warm her up propally then it will still rev high on idle til i hit the throttle and then it steadies downto normal,only had this problem since putting the p+p on can anyone help?? apart from that my vts feels alot lighter off her feet

30th May 2007, 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by simongvts

i have one of these on me vts from stevenet but since having it onmy car a idle really funny the throttle seems to stick at 1850rpm til i warm her up propally then it will still rev high on idle til i hit the throttle and then it steadies downto normal,only had this problem since putting the p+p on can anyone help?? apart from that my vts feels alot lighter off her feet

did u check the idel control valve seal like i said as if its not sealing right the car will idle at 1500-2000 revs, also check that the butterfly is turning right back to the closed position by looking at it as u turn the end peice

30th May 2007, 16:37

what do you meen by checing the idle cotrol vavle seal?where is this located as i checked the conectors and stuff with no joy,let me know if you can stevenet

31st May 2007, 13:20

Maybe i can source a new TB if you have none at the moment, but its not easy in Denmark!

7th March 2009, 21:07

Wat do u think the gains wud b like on a standard furio? just with an induction kit say? a decent one tho like raceland or bmc!

23rd March 2009, 16:34

If I had mine done would it require a remap?

23rd March 2009, 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Docsamty

If I had mine done would it require a remap?

no....

23rd March 2009, 16:39

can it be done to mark2 1.1i

23rd March 2009, 17:03

i have had this down and i swear by it.

23rd March 2009, 17:20

Are you based in Measham?
When the time comes is it possibly to drive up for a while you wait style jobby perchance rather than posting it?

24th March 2009, 23:45

what sort of gains do you achieve from having this done ? eg better throttle response etc? thanks

25th March 2009, 09:53

were abouts are you based as im not going to be driving mine for a while so sending it to you would be fine and im liking the sound of it would do it myselfy but as youve done so many ill just go witht he experience.

25th March 2009, 10:51

Is there any conclusive back to back testing on a rolling road to show if there any gains from having this work done?

If so, I'd be interested yo.

25th March 2009, 21:09

no beacause noone has got round to doing it. i sent notorious_CAT one to do a back to back test with and he never posted anything up. hawever there was someone on here that did it with one of my mk2 vtr t/bs. his car was standard and got a 1.2 bhp average increase!

i cant find the post but your quite welcome to use the search function

25th March 2009, 21:13

mine got done, tbh i didnt feel any difference at all. BUT mine was not done to the same standard as what spencers are and it has become apparant that my car has never actually run right in the first place

25th March 2009, 21:17

to be fair for £26, its a fair bit of work.

might give more on an increase if the throttle body was on the small side of things to begin with!

Trevor

9th April 2009, 23:58

Hey dan any news on when the throttle body`s are gonna be ready for collection pm me m8 thanks justin

10th April 2009, 01:03

dan i cant be arsed to post and polish my rallye S1 TB
how much would you do it for?

thanks Sam

21st June 2009, 13:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by spencer_cammedvts

no beacause noone has got round to doing it. i sent notorious_CAT one to do a back to back test with and he never posted anything up. hawever there was someone on here that did it with one of my mk2 vtr t/bs. his car was standard and got a 1.2 bhp average increase!

i cant find the post but your quite welcome to use the search function

PM for you!

I can ship you my TB, but will you be able to ship it back to Brazil. Costs running by me, of course!

Best regards,

Ogro

22nd June 2009, 01:14

do you still do this service matey ?

22nd June 2009, 08:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by D4N91

do you still do this service matey ?

Yeah he does mate, drop him a PM, might take a few days for him to get back to your on it, but he does do it

23rd June 2009, 23:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by ogro.uff

PM for you!

I can ship you my TB, but will you be able to ship it back to Brazil. Costs running by me, of course!

Best regards,

Ogro

Any news?

I'm realy interested!

Best regards,

Ogro

25th June 2009, 16:04

Hi Danny,
Sent you a pm about these.
Regards
William