Throttle Bodies!

  1. Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Wales Posts: 1486 1)2002 Saxo VTR 2)2003 106 GTI
    #1
    Hey all! I am considering buying a 106 rallye and putting a 106 gti lump in it! If I go ahead and do it I fancy putting throttle bodies on it. Which throttle bodies will i need to get that will fit the engine? Can anyone recommend where to buy them from also?
  2. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2003 Middlesbrough United Kingdom (England) Posts: 23676 Seat Leon FR
    #2
    Check out gmc motorsport. Not sure if carworx do them or not.
  3. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #3
    you will also need standalone ecu.
  4. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #4
    Pug1off also offer throttle bodies on the 1.6 16v unit. I will send some links
    over that may be of use when I get home from work mate.
  5. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux
    #5
    i wouldnt worry yet, lol

    gmc, qep
  6. Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper
    #6
    PM God106gti and see what set up he's running. He has a tb'd gti
  7. Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Wales Posts: 1486 1)2002 Saxo VTR 2)2003 106 GTI
    #7
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by williamsvts View Post
    you will also need standalone ecu.
    Whats a standalone ECU?
  8. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #8
    Thats the Pug1off link mate:
    http://pug1off.com/services.pug?Mode...at=Engine&id=5

    Did have some SSC links from people that TBs or TBs actually from Pug1off
    but for some daft reason they dont work!
  9. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux
    #9
    standolone is a new ecu which you need to have to run your bodies
  10. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #10
    if you dont kno what you need and why dont even look at bodies. do some research into what is all involved in building and running a tbd engine then see if you feel its worthwhile.;
  11. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 Banbury Posts: 4623 Saxo Rally Car Evo 6
    #11
    Pug1off?

    More like Rip1off. They charge stupid prices! But work is good I guess.
  12. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin
    #12
    bodies are not easy to get right & the setting up of them is hard work run great when sorted but it can be a pain! y not look into other options, No2 & a wild custom cam coudl be fun, Custon close ratio gearbox would be great fun too.


    What is ur budget... alot if your planning bodies i guess...!
  13. Newbie Joined: Dec 2005 Chelmsford Posts: 20 Throttle Bodied VTS
    #13
    i got mine done at pug-performance as i know colin and brendon who runs
    it quite well. they take alot of getting used to i.e feeding throttle in but once u have got used to it they are awesome. civic type r's and them crappy 182 clios will be left for dust lol. And get a s1 rallye box with atb diff and helix organic clutch too to get the most outa them. u will see 140mph easy and stupid 0-60 times
  14. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #14
    westy - why would you even think about wild cams without throttle bodies?
  15. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ColSax View Post
    Pug1off?

    More like Rip1off. They charge stupid prices! But work is good I guess.
    Would appreciate it more mate if you could back that statement up.
    From what IVE heard they offer a great level of service, not cowboy jobs like
    you find most of the times.

    End of the day quality costs...
  16. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #16
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saxooli View Post
    i got mine done at pug-performance as i know colin and brendon who runs
    it quite well. they take alot of getting used to i.e feeding throttle in but once u have got used to it they are awesome. civic type r's and them crappy 182 clios will be left for dust lol. And get a s1 rallye box with atb diff and helix organic clutch too to get the most outa them. u will see 140mph easy and stupid 0-60 times
    140 easy> on an s1 box? what are you revving to? as the s1 box will serverly limit your top end due to the final drive in the box.

    what engine are you running? the PP180 engine
  17. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #17
    no way will you be doing 140 on s1 box. you sure its a s1 rallye box? or have you got a 9k rpm limit?
  18. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 Banbury Posts: 4623 Saxo Rally Car Evo 6
    #18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rushy_23 View Post
    Would appreciate it more mate if you could back that statement up.
    From what IVE heard they offer a great level of service, not cowboy jobs like
    you find most of the times.

    End of the day quality costs...
    Ok then. £480 to fit a polybush set on my car and they didnt even know how many bushes there was on the rear beam.

    I do agree the work is good though.
  19. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by williamsvts View Post
    no way will you be doing 140 on s1 box. you sure its a s1 rallye box? or have you got a 9k rpm limit?
    s1 boxes rule though

    i dont care im gonna have fuck all top end.
  20. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #20
    im not saying they are shit, was just saying he isnt doing 140mph on an s1 box
  21. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #21
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by williamsvts View Post
    im not saying they are shit, was just saying he isnt doing 140mph on an s1 box
    i know id allready commented that i didnt think he had s1 box, just wanted to brag about my quaifed up one lol
  22. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #22
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ColSax View Post
    Ok then. £480 to fit a polybush set on my car and they didnt even know how many bushes there was on the rear beam.

    I do agree the work is good though.
    I wouldnt of paid it!
  23. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #23
    colin - thats a hell of a lot of dollar for that
  24. Newbie Joined: Dec 2005 Chelmsford Posts: 20 Throttle Bodied VTS
    #24
    yh that 140 was when i had normal box forgot to put that. s1 boxes do rule mate. i can still see bout 130ish. as it revs to 8000. top end aint all that anyway. ill just jump on me bike if i wana do stupid speeds. the s1 box just gives u shit loadsa acceleration so u can mess with scoobs etc lol
  25. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #25
    From what Ive HEARD, the only difference in all the TU boxes is the final drive..

    I will let you lot argue
  26. Newbie Joined: Dec 2005 Chelmsford Posts: 20 Throttle Bodied VTS
    #26
    yh i think ur rite. i know defo first and second clusters on vts and s1rallye aresame. just final drive diff. duno for rest. s1 arthe best tho if u want acceleration obv only on heavily modded engines tho. xsi boxes are also good boxes.
  27. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #27
    Guess the only way would be for somebody to go through each box and properly
    comfirm this, but it would take so much time and effort to do.
  28. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #28
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rushy_23 View Post
    From what Ive HEARD, the only difference in all the TU boxes is the final drive..

    I will let you lot argue
    MA boxs TU is the engine family. there are 2 different clusters, 1 for 'sport' models and 1 for the 'billy basics'. to give you the differences between the gearboxs though pug/cit changed the ratio of the crown wheel and crown wheel pinion. the name of this ratio is called the final drive. the final drive isnt an actual component. that any clearer?
  29. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #29
    ive already had a few boxs apart aswell. just getting rid of 2 and have 1/2 1 in the shed
  30. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1
    #30
    Just shows how clear my knowledge on this isnt. Glad you cleared that all up
    for myself and others mate.
    Very knowledgable!
  31. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #31
    Yup, the different FD give you the added accelleration. Just remember, they are not actually close ratio boxes.
  32. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #32
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Toad View Post
    Yup, the different FD give you the added accelleration. Just remember, they are not actually close ratio boxes.
    hence why i sell xsi and s1 rallye final drives as most people dont need the whole cluster
  33. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #33
    So, what can you do for me?
  34. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #34
    lol well i do have a mint xsi final drive here (supposed to be under 1k) and im stripping a s1 box for the fd, although think the diff may be fucked on it.

    someone is getting back to me on their interest as theyre out of the uk atm, but pm me if your interested in either as well.
  35. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #35
    you press the CW off the diff and send that aswell?
  36. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #36
    i dont press it off but quaife is only up the road so i can get it done and i doubt they wil charge much.

    i just bought the stuff for spares then managed to get a whole box for my quaife instead.
  37. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #37
    beacuse, what you are calling the final drive, is useless without the crown wheel.
  38. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #38
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by williamsvts View Post
    beacuse, what you are calling the final drive, is useless without the crown wheel.
    i do know

    the Crown wheel and pinion shaft. the one with the fucked diff is fine for someone fitting a quaife though.

    the xsi one has the diff still attached to the crown wheel so is fine to go in.
  39. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #39
    what is your cars spec to see 180bhp oli?
  40. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #40
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Soulless View Post
    what is your cars spec to see 180bhp oli?
    if he has 180bhp from PP.

    will prob be the so called c2 engine. which is a mixture of 206xsi bottom end and c2 head irc. has the bigger valves, built by longmans, rebated pistons, lightened and balanced bottom end, solid lifters, and piper (cough) 285 cams.... with jenvey 40/42mm throttle bodies. and efi engine managment, theres more ive missed lol
  41. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #41
    from his avatar pic looks like a norm 1.6 16v S lump...
  42. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #42
    prob been built by longmans still. theres someone i knew of on ssc from kent who had a 106 gti, same spec as the pp engine but the BV head was a modified saxo head not the c2 one.
  43. Newbie Joined: Dec 2005 Chelmsford Posts: 20 Throttle Bodied VTS
    #43
    go to http://www.essexracers.com/modules.p...712&highlight= for my spec. as cant be arsed to type out agen. and iff ppl don't think i got that much then i cant be arsed to argue lol. always get people saying u sure. at the end of the day i know wat my car has and what it can beat.. itype r's 182 clio all day long so im not bothered. sorry if that sounds angry just i get people doubting my lil car all the time and it dus me nut in
  44. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #44
    fuck off am i regersting on some chav site. cut and past is your friend

    i dont doubt you just be interesting what spec it is as i know alot of the 180bhp specs.
  45. Newbie Joined: Dec 2005 Chelmsford Posts: 20 Throttle Bodied VTS
    #45
    lol it aint a chav site. its a good club. been goin for many a year. i will do mate tomoro. too tired nw lol
  46. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #46
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saxooli View Post
    lol it aint a chav site. its a good club. been goin for many a year. i will do mate tomoro. too tired nw lol
    i saw the intropage.

    was like ummmm can i be fucked to join NAAAAAAAAA
  47. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Stockport, Manchester Posts: 5911 Vtr @ 123bhp R.I.P VTS
    #47
    His car is running around that bhp. I have seen it go and it bloody goes. Sounds very very sexual as well. Top car oli
  48. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #48
    Bhp are pub bragging figures anways its all about how it goes!!

    Oli get ur car down the strip it will get people of ur back thts wot i did
  49. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #49
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vtr130 View Post

    Oli get ur car down the strip it will get people of ur back thts wot i did

    straightlining is for homos!!!
  50. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #50
    can't please every1!! But wot do you drive? or wont ur car make a 1/4 mile!?
  51. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #51
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vtr130 View Post
    can't please every1!! But wot do you drive? or wont ur car make a 1/4 mile!?
    road car is a std vtr.

    track car has a quaife diff, s1 rallye gearbox and 16v on throttle bodies
    just about ready to be shown to the world!
  52. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26
    #52
    copy and paste spec anyone.

    Im not doubting anything, i just would like to know what your running.
    Have you had it dyno tested?
  53. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #53
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Soulless View Post
    copy and paste spec anyone.

    Im not doubting anything, i just would like to know what your running.
    Have you had it dyno tested?
    If its which i think it is and is similar variaion to the PP 180*c2* conversion - it would be usuing a similar map to the original engine mapped by richard longmans, which was 180bhp on a dyno, in dan dodsons car it saw a tad less though.
  54. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #54
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 View Post
    road car is a std vtr.

    track car has a quaife diff, s1 rallye gearbox and 16v on throttle bodies
    just about ready to be shown to the world!
    who built ur engine? I need a lsd, but just cant afford it at the moment....
  55. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #55
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vtr130 View Post
    who built ur engine? I need a lsd, but just cant afford it at the moment....
    engine doesnt have forgies, or rods, just standard internals other then cams.

    some people know my engine but im not going into specific details until the car is running lol.

    my mates got a proper engine which has run over 180bhp on rollers, he has finally got a xsi box for it lol! im off to uni soon so dont want to spend another 2k rebuilding my engine with rods,pistons, big valves, and 290 maybe more cams.. just to keep up.
  56. Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279
    #56
    same situation as me m8!! Mayb u might offer some competition on the 1/4 mile ... Ive never done a track session but planning to do castle combe on 21st april.
  57. Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut
    #57
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vtr130 View Post
    same situation as me m8!! Mayb u might offer some competition on the 1/4 mile ... Ive never done a track session but planning to do castle combe on 21st april.
    lol! 1/4s are not my thing, anyone with half decent power can straightline. its on track where you show what you can do with your car - not just throw money at more power *cough turbo boys* although mine does weigh fuck all¬!

    ive been on track in my saxo, going 2 llandow 2day, on track 2mo in it again

    wanted my other one to be ready!
  58. Newbie Joined: Dec 2005 Chelmsford Posts: 20 Throttle Bodied VTS
    #58
    cheers sean nice to know someone knows what me car is all about. it does 1/4 mile in 14.1's not too bad but that was with vts box. goin santa pod on 13h may with new box and quaife so we will see then. at the end of the day i aint eva had it dynoed .its just an estimate. i dont really car how much bhp it has. id prefer it if it had only 170ish coz then i can beat type r's and other 200bhp na cars with 30 less bhp.