cossie engine

23rd March 2007, 17:44

how hard wud it be to put a cossie engine in a saxo, would ya have to have it in boot

23rd March 2007, 17:46

are you rich or very handy with spanners welders and have decent tools

if not wake up

23rd March 2007, 17:47

no but i no someone who is, wat u got in yours, jus standard vts

23rd March 2007, 17:49

nope vtr

well it will be alot of custom parts transmission tunnel

23rd March 2007, 17:50

am i reading this right ...

23rd March 2007, 17:51

sweet, av only got a furio, its miles better than me last 1.2 corsa but ya look a twat when a micra nearly catches up with ya dont you

23rd March 2007, 17:52

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Originally Posted by woodsy

am i reading this right ...

i dunno what you reading

i thought you had a vts in your furio

23rd March 2007, 17:53

hu me? no i wish
got the badges tho, well uncool innit

23rd March 2007, 17:57

ahhh the badges

yeah it is uncool

23rd March 2007, 17:58

cossie engine into a saxo ....???

is that what it says as im dumbstruck with some one who uses a phrase like "well uncool init" is asking or contemplating doing a coss transplant

23rd March 2007, 18:02

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Originally Posted by woodsy

cossie engine into a saxo ....???

is that what it says as im dumbstruck with some one who uses a phrase like "well uncool init" is asking or contemplating doing a coss transplant

yes unless were both reading wrong

23rd March 2007, 18:02

i no, bit of a fool aint i!
i dont think before i write stuff

23rd March 2007, 18:05

if your serious about it, theres a bloke i know "Fitz" who ownes a Cossie specialist garage in Derby!

if it can be done, he's definately your man to do it.

his website is www.topbossperformance.co.uk

this guy has fitted Cossie engines into Westfield's, and all sorts!!

23rd March 2007, 18:10

the best way to do it would be to use a cossie floor pan and cut it into four sections reduce the size of the piecestil its the size of a saxo shorten the prop n your away, or just smeel the roses and realise its gonna cost a bomb as the engine bay would be a mega tight fit

23rd March 2007, 18:13

good point, i no it wud be expensive but was wonderin if it could be done

23rd March 2007, 18:14

never say never!

i cant imagine it being cheap however, be much easier for you to vts the furio?

btw its a 106 but there all the same

23rd March 2007, 18:16

thats nice

23rd March 2007, 18:17

cant even afford insurance on a vtr never mind a cossie, jus a pipe dream, a really long one

23rd March 2007, 18:17

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Originally Posted by dsh85

never say never!

i cant imagine it being cheap however, be much easier for you to vts the furio?

btw its a 106 but there all the same

any more pics!? not convinced thats a Saxo!

23rd March 2007, 18:18

its a 106 innit

23rd March 2007, 18:18

wowbet that corners like a sack of shite

23rd March 2007, 18:18

i think you would be lookig at a very pricey bill mate...at least 5gand for the work!! a teg engine in a saxo is 4grand

23rd March 2007, 18:19

deffo not a 106, judging by the headlights its not anyway!

23rd March 2007, 18:20

only other pic i have its a 106

23rd March 2007, 18:20

that is a 106 4x4.

basically just the shell of the 106 gti put onto the chasis etc.. of a cossie 4x4.
was converted by the company behind some of mcraes stuff. and i think irc the ford ka with cossie engine.

23rd March 2007, 18:20

its a fraud its either a fiesta or a corsa

23rd March 2007, 18:21

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Originally Posted by S34MER

deffo not a 106, judging by the headlights its not anyway!

dont know much then do you

23rd March 2007, 18:22

wow!! thats suprised me! rep for you dsh85 for providing the pics!

23rd March 2007, 18:22

damn spoke too soon again. seen a ka with a cossie in it excellent in a straight line come to a corner n its all down hill from there

23rd March 2007, 18:22

its a 106 look at the struts

y woul u want to put a cossie engine in

anyway do u even no that cosworth only tune engines with parts all they are is ford units been tunned by them

23rd March 2007, 18:23

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

dont know much then do you

its a different car

23rd March 2007, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by S34MER

wow!! thats suprised me! rep for you dsh85 for providing the pics!

thanks

dont know anything about it really i was just sent the pictures a while back

23rd March 2007, 18:24

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Originally Posted by lavo-vts

damn spoke too soon again. seen a ka with a cossie in it excellent in a straight line come to a corner n its all down hill from there

depends entirely on how the car is set up. if its been converted properly using custom strut turrets for the rear end etc.. and uses the right mix of ford/pug components its will handle better than most saxos out there.

everyone allways presumes that just because theyve put a big engine in it will handle shit.

23rd March 2007, 18:25

cosworth actually build the whole engine and runnin gear from scratch

23rd March 2007, 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobs

its a 106 look at the struts

y woul u want to put a cossie engine in

anyway do u even no that cosworth only tune engines with parts all they are is ford units been tunned by them

hence cosworth engine

23rd March 2007, 18:27

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

depends entirely on how the car is set up. if its been converted properly using custom strut turrets for the rear end etc.. and uses the right mix of ford/pug components its will handle better than most saxos out there.

everyone allways presumes that just because theyve put a big engine in it will handle shit.

well yeah try puttin a load more weight on the front of your car and see how much slower you have to corner. thats why people always say that. that why any 2.0 astra gte/gsi would never corner well at high speed

23rd March 2007, 18:28

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Originally Posted by lavo-vts

well yeah try puttin a load more weight on the front of your car and see how much slower you have to corner. thats why people always say that. that why any 2.0 astra gte/gsi would never corner well at high speed

did you actually read my post or just see the words big engine?

23rd March 2007, 18:31

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

did you actually read my post or just see the words big engine?

yes i did, small cars can only handle a certain amount of WEIGHT over the front wheels hence not bein able to corner well.

23rd March 2007, 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by lavo-vts

yes i did, small cars can only handle a certain amount of WEIGHT over the front wheels hence not bein able to corner well.

a larger capacity engine is not allways heavyer though! differeneces between alloy blocks and iron blocks etc.,.

as i stated, also the way the car is set up, which suspension gyometry is used, the way the engine is positioned in the engine bay for instance, its not necesarily the weight of the engine but its position and how low for example it sits in the bay.

its not the case of small car big engine o it will handle shit!

unless its a show queen and runs shitty pi springs of course lol

23rd March 2007, 18:41

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Originally Posted by bigbell1

its a 106 innit

Are you Ali-G??

23rd March 2007, 18:41

that pugs got full tarmac rally set up.... it will corner like a fookin bat out of hell

23rd March 2007, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perky

that pugs got full tarmac rally set up.... it will corner like a fookin bat out of hell

no it wont it will handle shit becuase it has a big engine and every car with a big engine handles shit ROLF

23rd March 2007, 18:43

i new ther was a reason i didnt buy a evo.............. damn 2 litre turbo shite.... cant corner at all

23rd March 2007, 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

no it wont it will handle shit becuase it has a big engine and every car with a big engine handles shit ROLF

so ur saying that every car like an evo a scooby skyline etc etc handle shit cause thats basicaly what u just said

23rd March 2007, 18:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobs

so ur saying that every car like an evo a scooby skyline etc etc handle shit cause thats basicaly what u just said

yes if it aint a saxo.......... it aint goin round a corner over 10mph

23rd March 2007, 18:45

i see sarcasm is lost on a few

23rd March 2007, 18:48

big cars big engine, small cars small engines, hhmmm i wonder if there is a reason behind that......

23rd March 2007, 18:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobs

so ur saying that every car like an evo a scooby skyline etc etc handle shit cause thats basicaly what u just said

HAHA as scott said - sarcasm might try researching it on google.

23rd March 2007, 18:49

lavo, never heard of clio 172/182?

23rd March 2007, 18:50

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Originally Posted by lavo-vts

big cars big engine, small cars small engines, hhmmm i wonder if there is a reason behind that......

clio 172/182 2.0ltr 16v, they handle appaulingly don't they?....

23rd March 2007, 18:50

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Originally Posted by lavo-vts

big cars big engine, small cars small engines, hhmmm i wonder if there is a reason behind that......

normally because you need a big engine to pull a big car

and the cars you are talking about are not a normal car! they are usually hand built machines to rally for example! where cornering is quite important!

its not just some chave whos decided to slam a gti-6 engine in his saxo on std suspension

23rd March 2007, 18:51

yeah but we are talkin turbo's here our did everyone miss that?

23rd March 2007, 18:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by lavo-vts

yeah but we are talkin turbo's here our did everyone miss that?

can turbo any engine

its makes no relevance to your comments. espec when all your comments have just been about the size of an engine and its weight over the wheels.

23rd March 2007, 18:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

normally because you need a big engine to pull a big car

and the cars you are talking about are not a normal car! they are usually hand built machines to rally for example! where cornering is quite important!

its not just some chave whos decided to slam a gti-6 engine in his saxo on std suspension

i believe the car im talkin about was someone wantin to drop a cossie in a saxo not a hand built machine nor bein built to rally. or did we miss that. or did we all just fancy avin ago at me?

23rd March 2007, 18:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by lavo-vts

yeah but we are talkin turbo's here our did everyone miss that?

sorry, forgot just how much a T3 weighs. my bad

23rd March 2007, 18:55

clio isnt a turbo

23rd March 2007, 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by lavo-vts

i believe the car im talkin about was someone wantin to drop a cossie in a saxo not a hand built machine nor bein built to rally. or did we miss that. or did we all just fancy avin ago at me?

where did he say he wasnt going to be using a for chasis etc..? he asked can it be done...

23rd March 2007, 18:58

ill ave a video later of a cossied ka built by bdp motorsport from ireland who build one-off cars for the irish rallies and then you will see what im saying

23rd March 2007, 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

where did he say he wasnt going to be using a for chasis etc..? he asked can it be done...

can a cossie engine fit in a saxo, not can a cossie engine floor pan and running gear fit in a saxo. or did i miss a bit again

23rd March 2007, 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by lavo-vts

can a cossie engine fit in a saxo, not can a cossie engine floor pan and running gear fit in a saxo. or did i miss a bit again

people were saying which way it could be done for ease!

so asking whether it can done also means it will handle shit does it?

just resign to the fact many people just commented on how your statements of any heavy engine in a small car will make it handle shit.

end of argument.

23rd March 2007, 19:06

ther was never an argument in the first place. like i said ill put a vid up later whrn i get it to show you all what im sayin, proper set up done by guys in the know and it wont touch a proper cossie round the bends just blasts past it in the straights

23rd March 2007, 19:20

Quote:

so asking whether it can done also means it will handle shit does it?

winner

23rd March 2007, 19:44

eva heard of a clio v6 to?

thats doing 250 brake to a car size of a shopping trolly

23rd March 2007, 19:47

with the engine snug nicely in the back

23rd March 2007, 19:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobs

eva heard of a clio v6 to?

thats doing 250 brake to a car size of a shopping trolly

and well known for having traction issues and a very snappy rear end.

23rd March 2007, 19:51

ive seen go down quarter mile, not that quick

23rd March 2007, 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullit

ive seen go down quarter mile, not that quick

true

if you want to get one then get this beast

http://media.putfile.com/V6-scharged

23rd March 2007, 20:06

lol at this thread. Any car can be made to handle with the right knowledge and of course money.
A cossie engine can easily fit into a saxo either in the front or the back.
If I was putting it in the back i'd look at a gearbox that can fit direct to the engine and power the rear wheels. Maybe a transit gearbox (if the engine layout in those is anything like the old renault vans)
Though my personal view is the engine is a bit on the dated side. There are better ford engines available and the duratec engine is the way forward. Its alloy rather than iron block, very light, cheap and lots of power can be got out of them.

23rd March 2007, 21:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobs

true

if you want to get one then get this beast

http://media.putfile.com/V6-scharged

*massive wet patch in pants!!!*

I want one!!

24th March 2007, 00:06

speed bumps never bothered him in that video

24th March 2007, 00:26

LOL at this thread. gave me some giggles.

24th March 2007, 01:05

has anyone seen the Tekademics Mischeif Destroy video ? Theres a hummer on there with caterpiller tracks...really strange set of four triangular shaped ones....

get some of them on ya car, do some 360's lol ull be laughing... jk..

If you had a Sax / C2 etc with a 2.0 engine sort of over the rear axle, like the clio v6, would that make it handle better or would the weight of the engine just cause it to be too off balance?

24th March 2007, 01:07

lol would be much cheaper to buy a cossie mate

and dont use text talk

24th March 2007, 02:05

noob, sorry

24th March 2007, 08:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ste_1

has anyone seen the Tekademics Mischeif Destroy video ? Theres a hummer on there with caterpiller tracks...really strange set of four triangular shaped ones....

get some of them on ya car, do some 360's lol ull be laughing... jk..

If you had a Sax / C2 etc with a 2.0 engine sort of over the rear axle, like the clio v6, would that make it handle better or would the weight of the engine just cause it to be too off balance?

noob!

and the clio v6 is a 3.0 not a 2.0!

24th March 2007, 09:53

I've been itching to post this for ages...

I think ste was inferring to put a 2litre engine in the C2 rather than that the Clio V6 had a 2 litre engine.

on topic though the problem these big power short wheelbase RWD cars have is stability.. if you are a bit lead footed then they just spin end to end. One reason why I picked a 309 over the 'prettier' 205 for my project.

With a bit of knowledge you can dial out these tendancies.. but I remember there was a 106 with a big power ford engine in the back. That didn't look all that on handling. Would be interesting to see if the saxo? with the honda Vtec engine in the back has a better chassis setup.

This 106 will be heavy.. the engine alone weighs over 130kgs! It is almost mid engined though which is good and maybe the 4wd system will help keep it out of trouble.

25th March 2007, 15:23

how about in an AX

25th March 2007, 17:09

thats better than sex.................................. nice link

25th March 2007, 17:13

wow someone left me negative rep but never left there name for my 1 post on this thread ...

ha ha need to get a life who ever left it ... and some balls

25th March 2007, 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by tweeqd

how about in an AX

that taz's ax martin? OR one of your creations>

25th March 2007, 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

that taz's ax martin? OR one of your creations>

i wish it was one of mine, its taz's beast
weve all been banned from posting more up to date pics, but its safe to say it looks ALOT better than that now and will be mental when he gets it back

25th March 2007, 22:27

glad to see hes continued along with it, it will be a beast!" is it on AXOC still i may have to see if theres anything there to read about it

25th March 2007, 22:48

it is mate but resricted to payed members

25th March 2007, 22:51

Quote:

We build drag cars not cars in drag

was that the first thing that came to mind, lol

the penny dropped the other day, you had a spread in pgti last year

25th March 2007, 22:51

i need to update my account anyway

AXOC is amusing

espec with gav terrorising the place.

26th March 2007, 01:40

Theoretically, you could mount it transverse - all the Ford bellhousings are the same, so you could bolt on a Transit new box and have it sitting across the bay. Then youd need to make up custom shafts or mix and match CV joints. Wiring is a pisscase, but a decent fabricator could knock up some mounts for you.

As a DIY job, if you need to ask; its too hard.

26th March 2007, 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbell1

its a 106 innit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richardson_VTS

Are you Ali-G??

26th March 2007, 09:34

martin - Is that Pete Wymer's old shell? Looks like fun

Gab- Sounds like a project.

All -0 Not sure if this has been posted but that 106 is entirely on sierra running gear, coil overs all round. Don't know if it handles, but it could do if it's set up well

26th March 2007, 12:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by CampDavid

All -0 Not sure if this has been posted but that 106 is entirely on sierra running gear, coil overs all round. Don't know if it handles, but it could do if it's set up well

aye been posted. at least someone agrees with me

26th March 2007, 13:58

You can put a Cossie engine into a Saxo, just time and money are the issue. You would probably need a full donor Cossie though as you would need to chop the floorpan and tunnel etc. Just buy a Cossie! And of course you could get it to handle, like said above ^^^. Just need the right setup with coilovers and uprated torsion bar and ARB's atc. Anything is possible, it just costs a fucking bomb!

Oh! That AX is class too, love to see when it's done! And I wouldnt like the fuel bill for that Clio V6 either, cool vid!

26th March 2007, 20:07

DAVID not sure if it was his, taz has had it for a while

the ax is not far off finished, will be at FCS

as for the 106, look in here http://www.passionford.com/

wont do a direct link so look in pictures and video gallery