vtr upgrades

1. ukballer L-plater Joined: Feb 2006 west midlands Posts: 80 VTR 2001

   #1 29th March 2007, 13:50

   just got myself a 2000 vtr for my first car so havnt got that much idea on engine performance just wondering what you would recomend to start with and which to use...
   
   dont want to go out a spen 1k in a month want it to be progressive
2. VTS_16v_Boy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2006 Dartford Kent Posts: 5251 Pug 1007 HDi Sport (daily) / Abarth 500

   #2 29th March 2007, 14:04

   VTR great car to strat with Light, good 8v engine top stuff
   
   Basically engine tuning is getting more air and fuel into the cyclinders burning it then getting rid of it as fast as you can.
   
   Airfilters/Induction kits get your air in quicker
   Your ECU will (to a point) adjust the fuel itself and put more in
   Then a Performance Exhaust and/or Performance exhaust Manifold will get the Gases out quicker
   
   There by increasing the engines performance.
   
   Check out www.kam-racing.com for good airfilters and manifolds then its just a choice of the exhaust which is more down to how you want it to look as most of the leading brands Magnex/Janspeed/Piper/Scorpion will perform pretty much the same give or take a pony or two
   
   Dececnt airfilter - about £100
   Decent Manifold - about £150-£300 depending on brand and type
   Decent Exhaust - About £200-£300+ depending on brand and type
   
   
3. ukballer L-plater Joined: Feb 2006 west midlands Posts: 80 VTR 2001

   #3 31st March 2007, 16:19

   thankyou buddy nice 1
4. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

   #4 31st March 2007, 17:23

   if you want to spend 1k then buy a vts engine for circa £500 and either fit it yourself or use the remaining money to have it fitted, far better than wasting money tuning the vtr in my opinion.
5. ukballer L-plater Joined: Feb 2006 west midlands Posts: 80 VTR 2001

   #5 31st March 2007, 17:25

   yeah id never get insured tho really.....
6. GTI_Lee Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Wales Posts: 1486 1)2002 Saxo VTR 2)2003 106 GTI

   #6 31st March 2007, 17:41

   Dont tell them!
7. ukballer L-plater Joined: Feb 2006 west midlands Posts: 80 VTR 2001

   #7 31st March 2007, 17:42

   good idea never thought of that hehe
8. riggsy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts

   #8 31st March 2007, 18:09

   LOL then crash and they wont pay out nasty!!
   
   Just buy a vts its in a different league, well thats what i got told when i had a vtr now i have a vts and i can say its soo true!! But when i had the vtr it was for a reason ie i couldnt get insurance on a vts
   
   With exhaust manifold and enclosed induction kit it will feel a fair bit quick but still no match for the vts....
9. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #9 31st March 2007, 18:15

   best bet is to keep your eye out for second hand stuff!
   
   manifold, backbox etc etc
10. riggsy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts

    #10 31st March 2007, 18:16

    Yeah very true if its stainless steel it last ages
11. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #11 31st March 2007, 18:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sean if you want to spend 1k then buy a vts engine for circa £500 and either fit it yourself or use the remaining money to have it fitted, far better than wasting money tuning the vtr in my opinion.

    *cough* read *cough*
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ukballer dont want to go out a spen 1k in a month

12. riggsy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts

    #12 31st March 2007, 18:19

    Did read it was just explaining more!
13. ukballer L-plater Joined: Feb 2006 west midlands Posts: 80 VTR 2001

    #13 31st March 2007, 18:23

    thnx for all the help guys ill keep my eyes pealed i think im going to start of with the induction kit
    
    what do you guys think of this
    http://www.kam-racing.com/product_in...b6d791de825dbe
    
    or is there better higher recomended ones for the same price or less
14. riggsy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts

    #14 31st March 2007, 18:36

    Green is expensive kamracing also do the raceland which i have on my vts, i also got it a replacement green filter which sounds awesome!
15. chopa Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2006 birmingham Posts: 454 saxo vtr

    #15 31st March 2007, 18:59

    like said mate just go for the usual stuff, mani, exhaust, induction. to get alot of performance out of a vtr you need to spend quite alot of money on the vtr lump or put in a vts. where bouts in the midlands you form mate??
16. ukballer L-plater Joined: Feb 2006 west midlands Posts: 80 VTR 2001

    #16 31st March 2007, 19:22

    im from willenhall just past junction 10 on the m6
17. ukballer L-plater Joined: Feb 2006 west midlands Posts: 80 VTR 2001

    #17 31st March 2007, 20:03

    just seen this would this be ok anybody ever tryed one
    
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Genuine-Simota...QQcmdZViewItem
18. BENSAX3 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2006 Buckinghamshire Posts: 2700 under age

    #18 31st March 2007, 20:07

    lots of people on here have those and they just replce the filter with a green one as the one supplied is s**t
19. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #19 1st April 2007, 18:03

    Dont buy a VTS - 1 coz you can afford it, 2 the VTR is a VTS minus the 16 valves and a few other niggly bits! - You "S" lovers dont eat me, you know wot im trying to say -
    
    If i were you and i wanted a quick car, not fast, but quick car, breathing mods, filter circa, £80, exhaust & fanimold circa £400, lower it -40mm, lowering springs circa £50. and a 106 rallye gearbox second hand low'ish milage youll love it! I DID and so did Pav's when he did it, he thanked me so much for telling him to do it! LOL recording a 5.7 sec to 60 at trax 06 was impressive - the timing wasnt 100% by any means but still it was quick!!
20. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #20 1st April 2007, 18:20

    5.7, lol
21. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #21 1st April 2007, 18:23

    Quote:

    if you want to spend 1k then buy a vts engine for circa £500 and either fit it yourself or use the remaining money to have it fitted, far better than wasting money tuning the vtr in my opinion.

    Sounds like a plan to me and Sean will help you fit it just not wire it
22. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #22 1st April 2007, 18:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ets2k9 Sounds like a plan to me and Sean will help you fit it just not wire it

    yeah he can fit vts engines in weekends
23. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #23 1st April 2007, 18:27

    Quote:

    yeah he can fit vts engines in weekends

    He locked the vtr ecu pretty quick so I cant see why it would take any longer.
    
    
24. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #24 1st April 2007, 18:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit 5.7, lol

    I know - timing gear was spot on as you can tell....!
    
    i hit 10.6 with a clutch slipping like a turb down the bowl after a night of vindaloo....
25. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #25 1st April 2007, 18:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by WestyVTR I know - timing gear was spot on as you can tell....!

    it was i got an 8.75 that day
    
    so did dsh
    
    and i think a few others to
    
    you got a 10 didnt you
26. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #26 1st April 2007, 18:33

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hesslevtr yeah he can fit vts engines in weekends

    VTR out VTS in... job done - im acually saving for a GTi engine for mine
27. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #27 1st April 2007, 18:35

    Quote:

    VTR out VTS in... job done - im acually saving for a GTi engine for mine __________________

    I wouldn't bother the engine you have seems like a monster.....
    
    5.7
28. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #28 1st April 2007, 18:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by WestyVTR VTR out VTS in... job done - im acually saving for a GTi engine for mine

    its took him close to 3 months now and still isnt done
29. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #29 1st April 2007, 18:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hesslevtr it was i got an 8.75 that day so did dsh and i think a few others to you got a 10 didnt you

    
    thought it was 10.6 i wasnt happy both times it was 10.6.. what are the odds of that!? with BMC 4 branch zorst not cat, "fast road" clutch" not that that does anything much! LOL not impressed
    
    i wasnt convinced teh times were 100% but ho hum
30. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #30 1st April 2007, 18:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hesslevtr its took him close to 3 months now and still isnt done

    it all takes time!
31. ukballer L-plater Joined: Feb 2006 west midlands Posts: 80 VTR 2001

    #31 1st April 2007, 18:52

    nice im going to have to keep my eyes open for one how much do garages charge on average to fit a gearbox or do you think it would be possible to do at home im a traine mechanic so have some knoladge but im only 4 months into my training so not alot
32. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #32 1st April 2007, 18:58

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ukballer nice im going to have to keep my eyes open for one how much do garages charge on average to fit a gearbox or do you think it would be possible to do at home im a traine mechanic so have some knoladge but im only 4 months into my training so not alot

    probly around 100 mark to fit it
    
    its easy enough job really
    
    i did sort of a guide n how to fit 1
33. ukballer L-plater Joined: Feb 2006 west midlands Posts: 80 VTR 2001

    #33 1st April 2007, 19:05

    ohhh nice 1 buddy if you can sort me out that would be great not going to be doing it for a while going to be doing some little mods first...
34. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #34 1st April 2007, 19:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ukballer ohhh nice 1 buddy if you can sort me out that would be great not going to be doing it for a while going to be doing some little mods first...

    have a search
    
    it wasnt that long ago
    
    it was a reply to a gearbox poblem
    
    if you cant find it let me no and il find it
    
    make sure u search though
35. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #35 2nd April 2007, 15:42

    has anyone put a rallye box on a gti/vts before!
36. Japman Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Costa del Wales Posts: 12393 Spam Wagon

    #36 2nd April 2007, 15:44

    ive got a 1.4 box on my vts,its nipper as fock but its shite top end and uses loads of fuel
37. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #37 2nd April 2007, 16:29

    so what!! is quick right, not fast but quick. IMO a saxo is never going to be the fastest car but it can be dam quick and great in teh bends. The xsi isnt a bad box to have on a vts ive heard, not too dis similar to the rallye.
38. Japman Saxperience Addict Joined: May 2006 Costa del Wales Posts: 12393 Spam Wagon

    #38 2nd April 2007, 16:43

    i wouldnt say its much quicker,i found that my vtr box had longer gears.maybe im wrong but it felt longer and the top end was awsome
39. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #39 2nd April 2007, 17:18

    VTR is longer than VTS. Try a rallye box on the s ull love it!!
40. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #40 2nd April 2007, 17:27

    all use the same gearset. so the drop off between gears will be the same, its only the final drive that differs.
    
    on my track car ive got a quaifed up s1 box, (not tested yet though) but have an xsi FD here to..
    
    think the xsi box is a good one as alot less rare than an s1 box
41. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #41 2nd April 2007, 18:23

    xsi is a good bet! wot do you mean by FD!???
42. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #42 2nd April 2007, 20:19

    final drive
43. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #43 2nd April 2007, 20:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit final drive

    blap balp
44. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #44 2nd April 2007, 20:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit final drive

    Sorry not wiv the lingo! LMBO
45. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #45 2nd April 2007, 20:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by WestyVTR Sorry not wiv the lingo! LMBO

    ive still got the job of stripping an s1 box to see just how fucked it is! o joy
46. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #46 2nd April 2007, 20:52

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85 ive still got the job of stripping an s1 box to see just how fucked it is! o joy

    all in gd time!
47. VTR-98 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Hull Posts: 312 Veilside Celica WRC gt4 324 BHP 350ib'ft torque

    #47 5th April 2007, 10:16

    My first VTR had a screwed up gear box, so i bought a diesel one for it for £100. Took me 2 days to take old one out and put diesel one on, was pretty surprised, 0-90 was really rapid, but top end only reached 105mph. But back when i had that VTR top speed wasnt important to me.
48. sy_VTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2006 BLACKBURN Posts: 1216 BLACK MK2 VTR, MK1 POSI VTS

    #48 5th April 2007, 10:46

    ive got a four branch, full stainless, and my newley purchased piper camshaft will be here shortly, then its getting mapped once i get a bmc! she runs quite well with the exhaust at the mo!!