hiflowheads??

1. jamesvts1986 Newbie Joined: Mar 2007 aberdeenshire Posts: 27 silver vts (my 3rd vts) lowered, manifold, decat,

   #1 29th March 2007, 16:54

   hey, im new here, just bought my second vts, i had one last year and stupidly sold it for an accord type-r, but after sum thought im selling the accord and have bought another vts
   
   at the moment it has
   
   -full exhaust
   -decat
   -filter
   -dastek unichip (dyno'd at 146 bhp)
   -and ive just ordered a bmc 4-branch manifold
   
   i have been looking around for more modifications, i dont want to go down the turbo or supercharger road (too expensive) so im thinkin just stick to fast road cams and headwork etc
   
   hiflowheads offer a kit for the vts (claiming 170bhp -i dont believe that but hey) consisting of piper 285 cams, stage 3 head, bmc filter, decat, fse boost valve, ported throttle body and a ported exhaust manifold
   
   has anyone had any dealings with these or know if they are any good?
   
   what sort of power was your car pushing out after they did the work?
   
   cheers
   james
2. spencer_cammedvts Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2005 MEASHAM United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3445 257bhp Ibiza Cupra Turbo

   #2 29th March 2007, 17:02

   sounds a fair figure to me. similar mods to mine and mine made 166bhp. @ fly. although wheels figures are what really count.
3. pug106turbo Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 156

   #3 29th March 2007, 17:16

   stay well clear of hiflowheads unless you want problems
4. Ste Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Yorkshire Posts: 5415 Saxo

   #4 29th March 2007, 17:26

   Why?
   
   Are they poor in terms of parts / service or in general!
   
   I was thinking of getting the RS kit.
5. pug106turbo Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 156

   #5 29th March 2007, 17:48

   all three
6. turbo_dave Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Down south Posts: 105 E36 M3 3.0 & 2.1 Mondeo w/Eaton M62

   #6 29th March 2007, 17:58

   Simple.
   
   Unless you buy a £600+ head from them, they just take a die grinder to them without flowing them.
   
   Any company that can do that deserves to be shot IMO
7. pug106turbo Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 156

   #7 29th March 2007, 17:59

   stay well clear of hiflowheads
8. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

   #8 29th March 2007, 18:30

   ive heard some shed stories from to say the least. other than that with pipers and headwork id be surprised if you had 160. id go catcams or the newmans cams
9. jamesvts1986 Newbie Joined: Mar 2007 aberdeenshire Posts: 27 silver vts (my 3rd vts) lowered, manifold, decat,

   #9 29th March 2007, 18:34

   ok cool, thanks, is there any other companys similar to this that does headwork? or is it worth doing?
10. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #10 29th March 2007, 18:37

    Blah, blah, blah...
    
    As usual, there's going to be people unhappy with companies such as these. I for one, couldn't have been more happy. I had a big valve head installed on my 106 a little while ago, I had the work done in Cheltenham. The head came from hiflowheads and the work carried out on it was very good indeed.
    
    You'll hear horror stories about so many places, so you'll just have to make up your own mind I'm afraid.
11. c8james Established Member Joined: Jan 2006 pikie central Posts: 1790 Ram raiders roller, cosser init

    #11 29th March 2007, 18:37

    Try matt at qep. very good, quick turn around on units but will try and talk you into a big valve head
12. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #12 29th March 2007, 18:42

    bad stories come for a reason. if a company hasnt got bad stories id chose them. as above qep, gmc.
13. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #13 29th March 2007, 18:46

    i have headr bad thigns about GMC aswell. everywhere has had bad thigns said about them. i ahve always had a quick delivery from hiflow. only ordered parts though never had work carried out by them.
14. sy_VTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2006 BLACKBURN Posts: 1216 BLACK MK2 VTR, MK1 POSI VTS

    #14 29th March 2007, 18:48

    you hear bad stories from everywhere, nothing ever goes smooth in any business, theres always a cock up somewhere along the line! ask the people that have had it done! and see what they say!!
15. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #15 29th March 2007, 18:53

    marc would you have a head done from them or choose somewhere else?
16. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #16 29th March 2007, 18:54

    Going back to James's original question... I wouldn't bother with those kits, you'll only be gutted when you car doesn't come anywhere near the figures stated. There's other factors that need to be taken into consideration when quoting max BHP figures...
    
    If you want to stay N/A like you mention, some fast road cams and some decent headwork is not a bad idea at all. What neck of the woods do you come from?
17. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #17 29th March 2007, 18:59

    Quote:

    has anyone had any dealings with these or know if they are any good?

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18. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #18 29th March 2007, 18:59

    nowt wrong hiflow heads would recommend them to anyone i have been to Andys new place and they no what they are doing
    
    Does alot of work for people
    
    But as usual some people on here dont like them as it doesnt mention bloody GMC or QEP in the title
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19. Tobs Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2005 London Posts: 3416

    #19 29th March 2007, 19:02

    yh thats at the fly you got to get through alot of trasmission first and you will lose a fair bit from that
20. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #20 29th March 2007, 19:06

    i didnt say i dont like them ive heard some of there work is top but ive also heard a few horror stories.
21. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #21 29th March 2007, 19:22

    same with ever other place
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22. Ste Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Yorkshire Posts: 5415 Saxo

    #22 29th March 2007, 20:39

    Well im gonna get a ported throttle body from them and if its crap then ill stay away if its good ill buy more stuff.
    
    It seems like marmite to me.
23. jamesvts1986 Newbie Joined: Mar 2007 aberdeenshire Posts: 27 silver vts (my 3rd vts) lowered, manifold, decat,

    #23 29th March 2007, 22:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Toad Going back to James's original question... I wouldn't bother with those kits, you'll only be gutted when you car doesn't come anywhere near the figures stated. There's other factors that need to be taken into consideration when quoting max BHP figures... If you want to stay N/A like you mention, some fast road cams and some decent headwork is not a bad idea at all. What neck of the woods do you come from?

    yeah, i think ill give them a go and let you know what my verdict on them is (when i get some cash gathered up!) im from the north east of scotland, close to aberdeen
24. pug106turbo Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 156

    #24 30th March 2007, 00:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jamesvts1986 yeah, i think ill give them a go and let you know what my verdict on them is (when i get some cash gathered up!) im from the north east of scotland, close to aberdeen

    well goto jim king or wallace performance. plenty places up ur way
    
    also stay away from hiflow heads.
    
    they were suppose to build my m8 a engine and with oversize pistons uprated and bigger valves etc and it came back with all standard stuff and also he fitted the head gasket on back to front blocking oil and water ways.
    
    the choice is urs
25. Gabbastard Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2002 United Kingdom Posts: 8390

    #25 30th March 2007, 00:59

    I remember this being a large set-to on the old SSC forum LOL
26. turbo_dave Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Down south Posts: 105 E36 M3 3.0 & 2.1 Mondeo w/Eaton M62

    #26 30th March 2007, 08:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts i have headr bad thigns about GMC aswell. everywhere has had bad thigns said about them. i ahve always had a quick delivery from hiflow. only ordered parts though never had work carried out by them.

    
    Quick delivery doesn't make up for gash kit...
27. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #27 30th March 2007, 09:54

    gash kit ha ha ha
    
    I have seen first hand the work they do and it aint crap that hi flow do
    
    Again is goes alll the way back to this JESUS kid who had a 205 done by hiflow and something broke on it and hiflow got the blame
    
    when it had nowt to do with them
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28. turbo_dave Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Down south Posts: 105 E36 M3 3.0 & 2.1 Mondeo w/Eaton M62

    #28 30th March 2007, 09:56

    I was referring to Hi flow, and I have a Hiflow Rover K series head as a nice little garage door prop as they made such a mess of it. Fucker flowed 30cfm different across all 4 pots
29. leeroybrown Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2006 Durham Posts: 16000 Clio Trophy 025/500

    #29 30th March 2007, 10:32

    What do you except its a rover engine lol
    
    No on a serious not he does do a good job on pug/cit not sure about anything else
    
    
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30. jamesvts1986 Newbie Joined: Mar 2007 aberdeenshire Posts: 27 silver vts (my 3rd vts) lowered, manifold, decat,

    #30 30th March 2007, 15:10

    who is jim king?????
    
    again ive heard plenty of bad stuff about wallace performance, but as everyone is saying there are horror stories from all tuning companys, i will be going to wallace to get the dastek remapped once i get the cams head done as it is my nearest dastek dealer
31. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #31 30th March 2007, 15:32

    If you want the absolute best out of your motor, ditch the Dastek and get yourself an Omex 600!
32. manc Established Member Joined: Dec 2004 Derby Posts: 1945 Pug 207

    #32 30th March 2007, 20:05

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Toad If you want the absolute best out of your motor, ditch the Dastek and get yourself an Omex 600!

    As I'm also about to have a Dastek fitted & I'd love to know why the Omex 600 is superior? Is it cause it can handle Turbo, NOS etc...
    
    Thx,
    ManC
33. BruceybabyVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2006 Edinburgh Posts: 858 Saxo VTR MK2

    #33 30th March 2007, 20:10

    As above mate. Stay away i've heard very bad stories.
    
    although i heard one good story, mate of mine had a 205 GTi they built. 1.6with a 1.9 various head work and a hybrid gearbox. Think it was like 170-180 brake and fu*kin rapid
34. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #34 30th March 2007, 21:22

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by manc As I'm also about to have a Dastek fitted & I'd love to know why the Omex 600 is superior? Is it cause it can handle Turbo, NOS etc... Thx, ManC

    No, that's not the reason, I'm saying this in relation to the job at hand, he's not after forced induction. The Omex 600 is an ECU, not a piggy back device like the Dastek. There's are several big advantages... When it comes to mapping your ECU, your car will be on a rolling road, and the person doing the work will have a sensor up your exhaust, constantly giving readings. The mapper will have a target for the lambda, and will want to try and get as close to this all they way through your rev range, so that your fuelling is spot on. The Omex will allow the mapper to make alterations at any rev, like 5525 for example, whereas the Dastek will not be able to do this, it will have preset numbers. So we're talking about the very finest of tuning now, but still, it is better! The Omex will also allow you to have more than one map, you can have an MOT passing map, which solves a lot of your problems for you. Basically, all you need is your own PC / laptop, and you can make your own alterations. You can have a map set up for long distance driving, etc, etc... Do you see where I'm coming from? Also, the Omex will allow you to run throttle bodies!
35. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #35 30th March 2007, 23:52

    also, if fitting peformance cams you cannot raise the rev limit with a dastek.