Technique?

30th June 2004, 03:17

Any one got any good launch technique?
I either stall or spin the wheels?

30th June 2004, 04:07

is there any mods on your car?

it depends on the car, my car launches perfectly, when i keep the rpm at 4100 and release the cluthc and step on the gas, the wheels spin only for about 2 seconds and the car carries on from 4000 rpm.

1st July 2004, 04:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by burtay

is there any mods on your car?

it depends on the car, my car launches perfectly, when i keep the rpm at 4100 and release the cluthc and step on the gas, the wheels spin only for about 2 seconds and the car carries on from 4000 rpm.

surely the perfect launch u talk about here isnt quite so perfect as u spin the wheels.... im no expert and its more than likely im wrong here but surely spinning the wheels isnt part of a "perfect launch"?
and for 2seconds?!? that seems like a rather long time to me.....

just a thought like i say im probably wrong... scott i have no doubts will correct me as he knows everything

Jonno

1st July 2004, 04:36

there is no way you way you can launch a car without spining the wheels, its impossible, a fast launch will always have to spin the wheels and trust me 2 seconds is not much

1st July 2004, 04:40

right then....

its impossible to launch a car without spinning the wheels???!!!??? i wouldnt have thought so... but then agen...

Jonno

1st July 2004, 04:43

reason i'm so sure is because, i've tried launching in all different rmps and finally found the 4100 but like i said it depends on the car, i tried it on my friends car but the wheels spinned for too long at 4100 so then we tried differnt rpm and and found 3800 was the best

1st July 2004, 04:46

2seconds of wheel spin jus seems a lot to me... for a "Fast launch"??? im not disputing what RPM is best for the launch i jus cant see why a takeoff is impossible without spinning the wheels?!?

Jonno

1st July 2004, 04:48

it is possible but it wont be as fast the the wheels spin, the trick is what ever rpm you are launching your aim should be that thr rpm should got very low when car starts moving. for example when i launch in 4100 rmp, after 2 second of wheel spining the car runs from 4000 rmp .

try it and you'll understand what i mean

1st July 2004, 04:51

by i said rougly 2 seconds, it might even be a second

1st July 2004, 05:01

hey jonno matey for my car may b the wheel's wont spin

on a launch

1st July 2004, 05:04

complete and utter crap. if you wheel spin, you dont get off faster. why the hell would you even think you could?

1st July 2004, 05:06

my thoughts.... therefore it IS possible to get a "perfect launch" with NO wheelspin....
Jonno

1st July 2004, 05:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevilDamo

complete and utter crap. if you wheel spin, you dont get off faster. why the hell would you even think you could?

for the wheels not to spin at all you will have to launch the car at a very lowe rmp and you think you will then launch fast?? NO

1st July 2004, 05:13

rite then burtay as you know EVERYTHING. you wheel SPIN, you remain stationary. omg how simple can this be.

dont know what you do over in turkey, but if you believe what you say, then you'll get along just fine... LOOSING PERFORMANCE!!!

1st July 2004, 05:16

and why is this in the saxo ENGINE talk??? what's it got to do with your engine???

1st July 2004, 05:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevilDamo

rite then burtay as you know EVERYTHING. you wheel SPIN, you remain stationary. omg how simple can this be.

dont know what you do over in turkey, but if you believe what you say, then you'll get along just fine... LOOSING PERFORMANCE!!!

first off all i didnt say i know everything, but i'm sure about launching! it depends on how much you remain stationary, i guess you loose performance if you launch your car without a little spining the wheels, keep a stopwatch and try both, i tried all combinations.

i wish were close enough to try the cars, then i could show you

1st July 2004, 05:32

"stop watch"??? this isnt an accurate way of testing anything

make a video burtay of ur perfect launch

Jonno

1st July 2004, 05:34

omg... ok, as you say you dont know everything, but as jonno has already said a bloody STOP WATCH!!! 4 god sake man, get a grip. i suppose when you do your 0-60's, you time it urself with a stopwatch and time it until you reach 60mph on the speedo?

1st July 2004, 05:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonnosaxo87

"stop watch"??? this isnt an accurate way of testing anything

make a video burtay of ur perfect launch

Jonno

stopwatch or try it with anothrer saxo both ways, and you'll see the difference.

good idea

i will make a video and they you'll understand me, wait till i get a hold of video camera,
because there is no point arguing here, i'll just have to prove it

1st July 2004, 05:38

the atmosphere is a lil tense isnt it . . . . .

at the moment all i can picture is a bunch of essex lad's

pushing down on a escort shouting " burnout, burnout,

burnout "

rofl . . . . . . . no offence to any one

just thought i would lightein thing's up abit

1st July 2004, 05:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevilDamo

omg... ok, as you say you dont know everything, but as jonno has already said a bloody STOP WATCH!!! 4 god sake man, get a grip. i suppose when you do your 0-60's, you time it urself with a stopwatch and time it until you reach 60mph on the speedo?

actually i never used a stopwatch and i dont use it, i try it when lacunhing together with my friends cars, so i can see the difference very cleary.

as you know so much tell me what rpm you launch at? dont even think you know about lauchin the car a specified rmp.

didnt you ever watch any drags, well with my old car i was the last year's offical winner of the season, even tohugh we use slip tires on official drag still the wheels spin and even longer than a second or 2.

here in Turkey, we meet couple of days a week, at night where and do drags with all types of cars, so trust me i KNOW

1st July 2004, 05:45

chill out matey no one ment any offence it's just

an opinion tis' all

so let's all take a chill pill

paracetamol for me because i have a headache listerning

to you women natter on

1st July 2004, 05:46

ok ok schumey im fed up now ur right the perfect launch involves shit loads of wheelspin ur right .....

Jonno

1st July 2004, 05:46

damo use your common sense, do you think there is more power in 3000 rmp then 4000 NO! you can probably lauch a car in 3000 rmp or maybe lower without spinning the wheels but then you stall because no enoguh power in low rmp, you want to launch in a higher rmp and you cant avoid the wheels spining in a high rpm.
also if the road surface is really good, you should even launch the car in higher rmps like 5000.

1st July 2004, 05:47

yes mate, you believe what you want.

i have a standard vtr. why would i want to race? why would i want to wheel spin? the saxo build quality would fall apart.

if i want to race, then i would get a faster and better car.

this topic started asking about how to get the best launch. he says he either STALLS or WHEELSPINS. so what happened to the bit INBETWEEN!?!

there is more power in more rpm's, but he didnt ask that!!!

1st July 2004, 05:47

fuck sake guys calm down.

Its almost impossible to get a "perfect" launch, i.e. you have the engine set and the clutch and gas so finely balanced that you get off quickly without spinning.

BUT a lauch with a little wheel spin is actually more beneficial than launch without wheel spin.

Reasons being with the wheels spinning slightly you have them moving which is part of the battle but you are also maitaining the engine speed to continue to drive the car onwards. With the slower launch you have your going to loose a lot of engine speed to get that car moving then you have to build it back up again.

So a launch with as little as possible wheel spin is a better launch than one with out.

1st July 2004, 05:48

i;m chilled, it might seem as i'm getting agresive or sometinhg, but no, what is this forum for, for us to share ideas mainly, i was just i bit shocked why my idea, opinion was said to be WRONG without even trying what i have said.

i wish i had a video camera now, so i could go out and show what i mean

1st July 2004, 05:49

enough said now lad's scott's finished it

thank you did not think my fart joke's would end it

this time

phew . . . . . a close one if you ask me

1st July 2004, 05:52

right..... ive given up. Scott has spoken

BUT my last little input.... scott says a little wheelspin i wouldnt class 2seconds as a little??!?? anyways end of and im sure the guy who started the topic would greatly appreciate sum advice

Jonno

1st July 2004, 05:53

the reason i speak so sure is because, i tried all combination, lots of wheel spining , no wheel spining, all rmps. thats why i'm sure

let give an example, my friend has a golf gti mk3, he launch at 7000 rmp, wheels spin for about 3 or maybe even more 4 seconds, but after the spining once the wheels hold on to the road it jumps like hell

also honda civic vti, all vti owners launch there cars at around 7000 rmp because vtec opens after 6500 rmp (might be 6000) the wheels spin but the car produces lots of power at that point so even though the wheels spin the car launches very fast.

i've said it a couple of times, please just try it then you will understand

1st July 2004, 05:54

i think things got a little bit heated in this for no reason at all.

But thats teh answer that i posted ask anyone who knows anything about engines and they will tell you thats the case. We would all like to be able to get that perfect launch but its a tough thing to do especially since one launch conditions like weather, heat of engine, road surface are never really repeated are never likely to be repeated so its about getting it to the closest possible condition to get that launch.

1st July 2004, 05:55

honda civic vti . . . . do you not mean v tech ?

any way ladie's for christ sake in the name of mother

mary . . . . drop it

it's getting old now opion's are all good but when there

esay's it's a rant

ni ni every body

1st July 2004, 05:58

yes i mean vtech, as you know vtech is the system of the other cam shaft coming into work at a certain rpm.
the civis with one doors, are vti , and they have the vtech system, most people call them vtech

i never said and never say i know everything, we all learn new things, like when see something in the forum that i didnt know, i try it and see if it works.

1st July 2004, 05:58

nope Vti is correct

1st July 2004, 05:59

ah well . . . .

fair play matey

1st July 2004, 06:02

is vtechs popular in uk?

1st July 2004, 06:03

yeah i would say fairly popular . . . . with the jap

scene and all , plenty of civic's rolling around now'er

day's

do you like them burt ? can i call you burt

1st July 2004, 06:05

sure dont mind

yes i love them, thinking of getting one probably next if i could find the extra money

1st July 2004, 06:08

i say go for it . . . . . the other day i saw a tidy one

it was a dark green / blue , turquoise then

with black lenso rim's tucked up into the arche's

and a carbon fibre bonnet and anel eye's

oooooh gave me the shivver's

1st July 2004, 06:20

specially angle eyes

7th July 2004, 19:22

rite then... the PERFECT launch.

up at maxpower, birmingham, they were having races. skylines, evo's, etc...

there were NO wheelspins... so does that mean the PERFECT launch requires NO wheelspin???

but, i may be mistaken because after all they ARE professionals!!!

7th July 2004, 20:25

yes the perfect launch means no wheel spin!!

While ur wheel spining the other car will be 2 or 3 cars lengths in front of u and unless u have a beast of a car u wont catch up!!

Deano

7th July 2004, 20:34

i could catch up.... in my 1.4 beast!!!

well faster than damo anyway

Jonno

7th July 2004, 20:36

lol

Deano

7th July 2004, 23:16

haha... yes jonno you would be SOOO much faster than me

come on, lets race, oh no, you haven't passed

8th July 2004, 16:02

lmfao @ damo

Deano

8th July 2004, 16:52

for fucksake it was already said the perfect launch was to have no wheel spin BUT</font> to do this succesfully its not as simple as NOT spinning the wheels! (why do i feel like im repeating myself, oh thats because i am) the perfect launch is to keep the engine speed high and take off without loosing the engine speed, not just simply take off as slow as you like but cos the wheels are not spinning that dictates a perfect launch!!?!?! And exactly as you say evos etc... hmmm four wheel drive system ring a bell? much easier to launch at higher revs without spinng the wheels as four wheels are driving the car forward, not just the two up front.

So once again the perfect launch IS to haev high engine speed and maitain this through launch WITHOUT spinnign the wheels (as i said a page ago) but its not a perfect world and especially not a perfect world in a small forward wheel driven hothatch, its better to have a little spin than get the engine bogged down by loosing the revs

8th July 2004, 23:31

my perfect start is when i have the engine at cirka 4500 rpm then i let the clutch come and give at the same time gas so i have NO whell spin(WHELLSPIN IS LOST TIME)and the engine is at cirka 5000 rpm when the car drives...
thats the way it have to bee.
sebastian

9th July 2004, 09:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by german_saxofurio

my perfect start is when i have the engine at cirka 4500 rpm then i let the clutch come and give at the same time gas so i have NO whell spin(WHELLSPIN IS LOST TIME)and the engine is at cirka 5000 rpm when the car drives...
thats the way it have to bee.
sebastian

take off with 4500 rmp without even a little wheel spin doesnt seem possible, especially if the car carries on from 5000 rmp, probably like i say a little wheel spin.

damo:
dont know why but you just dont seem to understand, and i cant be bothered trying to explain it to you, i said try it but i guess you havent, i keep forgetting hopefully soon ill video the take off and show you how its done.

everyone may believe what they want, so damo just carry on wit you take with no wheel spin at all, good luck cuz you ll need it

9th July 2004, 14:27

it is possible u use the clutch to control ur start

Deano

13th July 2004, 23:02

THE THREAD THE GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!

yes a little wheel spin is good, and i think if you have a longer distance to go over, you can build up speed quicker than the guy who has no wheel spin.

sounds like people have different opinions cos of their experiences and that's what it's all about. Everyone's bitch is their own and they all ride different. If they were all the same wouldn't the world be boring!!!