Even lower

3rd April 2007, 15:53

Im thinking of getting the rear dropped a bit more its 40mm at the minute, wanting to go maybe about 50-55mm will i get any rubbing with 15's on

3rd April 2007, 15:57

what size of tyres do you have on?

3rd April 2007, 15:59

this is my bird's saxo and that is dropped 80-85mm at back no rubbing on 15's

3rd April 2007, 15:59

whoops forgot to put link in

3rd April 2007, 16:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by KIRK_FNM

this is my bird's saxo and that is dropped 80-85mm at back no rubbing on 15's

obviously there has been some arch work done there

3rd April 2007, 16:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisni1986

what size of tyres do you have on?

195 45 15

3rd April 2007, 16:04

x1xclairex1x do you get any rubbing with your sax dropped 40mm? With 3 people in the back?

Cheers

3rd April 2007, 16:05

none at all my mate is a mechanic who lowered it for us.... there is still a lot of space in therre

3rd April 2007, 16:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtracer

x1xclairex1x do you get any rubbing with your sax dropped 40mm? With 3 people in the back?

Cheers

no i dont get any rubbing at all

3rd April 2007, 16:06

claire add me to msn chuck kirk_FNM@hotmail.co.uk

3rd April 2007, 17:26

dont go lower at the back than at the front. it will handle like a heap of shit.

3rd April 2007, 18:29

what kind of saxo is that in the picture then mate, is it a VTR/S or furio etc

just it has saxo badge on it and if its a flat arched model i dont think you could get it that low without arch mods

3rd April 2007, 18:31

that picture looks shocking. poor saxo

3rd April 2007, 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

dont go lower at the back than at the front. it will handle like a heap of shit.

Saying that, i went to tarmac rally a few weeks ago and all the 205's and 106's had lower rear ends than the front..

3rd April 2007, 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by James_Bristol

Saying that, i went to tarmac rally a few weeks ago and all the 205's and 106's had lower rear ends than the front..

i doubt it looked like some rude boys baseball cap angle though..

and was prob running for example 22/23mm torsion bars (maybe more if gone custom) and pugsport coilovers.

3rd April 2007, 18:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predator_VTR

what kind of saxo is that in the picture then mate, is it a VTR/S or furio etc

just it has saxo badge on it and if its a flat arched model i dont think you could get it that low without arch mods

It looks like a furio its got arches

Thanks for the comments everyone

3rd April 2007, 18:51

[QUOTE=Itsafastworld85;1053329]i doubt it looked like some rude boys baseball cap angle though..[QUOTE]

lol, no it wasn't like 100mm at the back and 30mm on the front but was visibly lower at the back.

Dont know the reasoning behind it but thought i would say

3rd April 2007, 18:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

i doubt it looked like some rude boys baseball cap angle though..

and was prob running for example 22/23mm torsion bars (maybe more if gone custom) and pugsport coilovers.

[QUOTE=James_Bristol;1053355][QUOTE=Itsafastworld85;1053329]i doubt it looked like some rude boys baseball cap angle though..

Quote:

lol, no it wasn't like 100mm at the back and 30mm on the front but was visibly lower at the back.

Dont know the reasoning behind it but thought i would say

Listen to wot is sed! Stiff or even custom rear beams and or coilovers!

not just dropped on shockers!

3rd April 2007, 18:59

I dont think it would have been custom stuff as some of them were group N cars..

All i said was i dont know for sure the reason behind it, may just be lower on standard shocks, what he said was a possibility..

3rd April 2007, 19:08

now now boys!

3rd April 2007, 19:09

lol...

3rd April 2007, 19:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by James_Bristol

I dont think it would have been custom stuff as some of them were group N cars..

All i said was i dont know for sure the reason behind it, may just be lower on standard shocks, what he said was a possibility..

the cars are track cars - custom parts are easily done! i doubt very much they were lowerd on standard shocks, any racing is competitive so they want the best possible...i heard sum 1 picked up a custom racing beam second hand £400 for a 205...

my mechanic used to race a 106 (rallyecross) and some of the ppl used to be so so competitve they also had saxos in there class, - sean smith used to drive i dont know if the stats are on the web at all though. sponsord by Charters pug they were. Even though they were up againsy big companies they always finished top 3-5...

3rd April 2007, 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by James_Bristol

I dont think it would have been custom stuff as some of them were group N cars..

All i said was i dont know for sure the reason behind it, may just be lower on standard shocks, what he said was a possibility..

custom bars are easily done.

25mm Torsion bars etc..

there was a 205 being made in PPC for road rallying that had even thicker ones made!!

GroupN is comeptitiive rallying i wouldnt expect it to not have a few (extra ordinary parts)

3rd April 2007, 19:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

custom bars are easily done.

25mm Torsion bars etc..

there was a 205 being made in PPC for road rallying that had even thicker ones made!!

GroupN is comeptitiive rallying i wouldnt expect it to not have a few (extra ordinary parts)

lol

extra ordinary parts

3rd April 2007, 20:20

Fair points but group n is the showroom class which means they have to be left standard apart from things to make the car safer i.e rollcages etc.. They are allowed to adjust ride height i think but not alowed to have fancy stuff on them, group a cars would have alot of custom stuff etc though.

3rd April 2007, 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by James_Bristol

Fair points but group n is the showroom class which means they have to be left standard apart from things to make the car safer i.e rollcages etc.. They are allowed to adjust ride height i think but not alowed to have fancy stuff on them, group a cars would have alot of custom stuff etc though.

there are always restrictions to make it fair for all

3rd April 2007, 23:27

if you want to try it do, but i will garuntee that on a 'aftermarket' spring only setup you will suffer very very bad understeer.

4th April 2007, 08:59

ok thanks williams

4th April 2007, 09:27

Dont go lower than 60mm... mines dropped 60mm.

It handles like glue but the ride is fairly bumpy, ive got spax adjustables and its on Medium. Still bumpy... gets a bit annoying when people are up your arse and youve gotta go slow over a bumpy road..... but well worth it.

I think any lower is just going to be hardwork on ya backside.

4th April 2007, 09:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ste_1

Dont go lower than 60mm... mines dropped 60mm.

It handles like glue but the ride is fairly bumpy, ive got spax adjustables and its on Medium. Still bumpy... gets a bit annoying when people are up your arse and youve gotta go slow over a bumpy road..... but well worth it.

I think any lower is just going to be hardwork on ya backside.

lol ok then, mine is bumpy enough as it is

, think ill just be leaving it the way it is after some of the comments

Thanks everyone

4th April 2007, 09:37

mine has been lowered and the torsion bar has been dropped and you cant see my tyre lol. there is still loads of room and it sticks to the road like glue, so i would get it done. defo

4th April 2007, 10:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ste_1

Dont go lower than 60mm... mines dropped 60mm.

It handles like glue

bollocks that mine was 60 and handled shit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saxoboiiiiiiiii

mine has been lowered and the torsion bar has been dropped and you cant see my tyre lol. there is still loads of room and it sticks to the road like glue, so i would get it done. defo

bollocks x 10

4th April 2007, 10:22

claire you wont get any rubbing if went down 55mm on them wheels

as said you will need the front lowered to if you lower the rear more

lol at the im lowered 60mm and handles like glue coments

4th April 2007, 10:25

Must just have been your car.....or bad alignment or wank tyres.....

Mine does handle like glue, in comparrison to a mini & a racing puma, mine runs away like a burnt whippet on the windy roads....

how do you type Wynd-i without it sounding like windy.... lol

4th April 2007, 10:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ste_1

Must just have been your car.....or bad alignment or wank tyres.....

Mine does handle like glue, in comparrison to a mini & a racing puma, mine runs away like a burnt whippet on the windy roads....

how do you type Wynd-i without it sounding like windy.... lol

The spelling is the same lol

4th April 2007, 10:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt

bollocks that mine was 60 and handled shit

bollocks x 10

e..... aye it is/does m8 so bollock x 20 to you hahaha

4th April 2007, 10:33

aaa kk lol

I was thinking about my previous comment on the handling, because i think its quite impressive. And ive driven a few cars so id say ive got a good idea.

But what would you say is good and whats bad because it seems a few ppl think its going to be bad? - I dont really get understeer ever, a bit of oversteer when i push my luck on roundabouts.... although on bumpy roads it gets a bit jumpy....

4th April 2007, 10:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ste_1

Must just have been your car.....or bad alignment or wank tyres.....

Mine does handle like glue, in comparrison to a mini & a racing puma, mine runs away like a burnt whippet on the windy roads....

how do you type Wynd-i without it sounding like windy.... lol

no not really, it may seem to handle well, but you will lose the car. the handling is not like glue

4th April 2007, 10:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saxoboiiiiiiiii

e..... aye it is/does m8 so bollock x 20 to you hahaha

sorry but it doesnt, there is no argument a car slammed at the back more than the front does not handle well

4th April 2007, 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ste_1

aaa kk lol

I was thinking about my previous comment on the handling, because i think its quite impressive. And ive driven a few cars so id say ive got a good idea.

But what would you say is good and whats bad because it seems a few ppl think its going to be bad? - I dont really get understeer ever, a bit of oversteer when i push my luck on roundabouts.... although on bumpy roads it gets a bit jumpy....

its not shit handling, it does ok, but a car lowered 40mm will handle loads better, mine used to see like a go kart, but thats because your that low, mine doesnt feel much like a go kart any more but the handling is a million times better, plus bumpy roads are a slammed saxos worst nightmare

4th April 2007, 10:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt

sorry but it doesnt, there is no argument a car slammed at the back more than the front does not handle well

you driven my car have ya???

4th April 2007, 10:40

Personal opinions maybe? Mine's fine down 60mm. It's a little bumpy (because I have the dampers set to stiff). Ask adsayer.

4th April 2007, 10:53

Personally id go for 40mm but i bought the car as is and im not going higher purely because im a lazy fuck.... lol

4th April 2007, 10:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevilDamo

Personal opinions maybe? Mine's fine down 60mm. It's a little bumpy (because I have the dampers set to stiff). Ask adsayer.

not really personal opinions, they dont handle well, its been said over and over again

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saxoboiiiiiiiii

you driven my car have ya???

driven ones slammed at the back and it was shit

anyone who knows about handling can tell you it doesnt work, go thru this thread and see

4th April 2007, 11:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt

not really personal opinions, they dont handle well, its been said over and over again

driven ones slammed at the back and it was shit

anyone who knows about handling can tell you it doesnt work, go thru this thread and see

ok so i dont know how my car handles ..... hmm...... ok

4th April 2007, 11:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saxoboiiiiiiiii

ok so i dont know how my car handles ..... hmm...... ok

clearly not, you think it handles well.

4th April 2007, 11:42

fuckin rights it does. it aint swung out yet, aye it may handle a bit better a bit higher but it handles well for me m8!!!

4th April 2007, 11:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saxoboiiiiiiiii

fuckin rights it does. it aint swung out yet, aye it may handle a bit better a bit higher but it handles well for me m8!!!

its not about the back end swinging out, most cars you can get the back end out, that doesnt justify how well it handles

4th April 2007, 11:45

its responsive, doesnt slide, pulls the fanny haha

4th April 2007, 12:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saxoboiiiiiiiii

its responsive, doesnt slide, pulls the fanny haha

as per other thread..........O dear.....

4th April 2007, 12:59

until anyone has driven a car set up correctly...

and i mean with a full set up, uprated torsion bars etc... they cant really say it handles the shit..

a standard set up is not bad but not great on a saxo so theres lots to improve on to make you think your car handles the shit...

lower does reduce the center of gravity but having your car sitting like the baseball cap you must own and wear at a 45% angle to think a slammed bo bo bo car will out handle a properly set up car really is laughable.

4th April 2007, 13:04

matt just to say something i dont think saxoboiiii has his car lower at the back, i think its 60 all round but the argument your trying to make is lower at the back than the front, read carefully !

4th April 2007, 13:30

dont lower it 80mm mines is 80mm feels amazing at like 40 but taking a corner at like 60-65 doest feel safe

looks good/ handles pish

mines is 60mm on gmax at the front and on gmaz dampers on the rear

but when i put my vts engine in im changin the rear beam and not going as low as 80 lol

4th April 2007, 14:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor_scotland

dont lower it 80mm mines is 80mm feels amazing at like 40 but taking a corner at like 60-65 doest feel safe

looks good/ handles pish

mines is 60mm on gmax at the front and on gmaz dampers on the rear

but when i put my vts engine in im changin the rear beam and not going as low as 80 lol

the problem you may also have is that gmax are shite..

4th April 2007, 14:45

fucknose couldnt care i just wanted my car low..
60mm on gmax was the lowest i could find for a 1.1. was either that.coilovers or cutting the fuckers
opted for cheap 45quid gmax ones

4th April 2007, 14:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor_scotland

fucknose couldnt care i just wanted my car low..
60mm on gmax was the lowest i could find for a 1.1. was either that.coilovers or cutting the fuckers
opted for cheap 45quid gmax ones

when you go 16v are you converting the hibs to 4 stud? or is it allready a base model 4 stud?

makes things alot safer when fitting the valver.

4th April 2007, 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hopcraft

matt just to say something i dont think saxoboiiii has his car lower at the back, i think its 60 all round but the argument your trying to make is lower at the back than the front, read carefully !

my point is 60 and slammed at back if you notice what i said to ste_1

4th April 2007, 14:51

this has got a lil bit out of hand aint it lol well we never went that low 4 handling factor went for looks really it will be most proberly going thru a engine transplant soon etc will then be picking the back end up 20mm and uprating everything

4th April 2007, 15:44

its like fitting a set of some of the cheaper suspension brands. With a massivly low car it feels great on the smooth roads and it corners really well due to the low centre of gravity, but hit a bump and the suspension bottoms out or just cannot handle the situation well. Having had a standard 205 rallye and a slammed 205 gti I know which one would be more capable in a thrash down the lanes.

At what height does a saxo start to ride the rear bump stops?

6th April 2007, 16:30

about 100-115 i think not sure just what i had been told

6th April 2007, 19:45

if your going for looks by all means lower it 60mm and chances are it will look good. However if your going for better handling i wouldnt lower any saxo vt lower than 25-30mm with decent springs, and some decent dampers.
if you lower it 60mm, then put it back to standard you will see what you are missing out on with the handling side of things...

12th April 2007, 12:32

yeah mines on its arse like and it looks amazing like.

12th April 2007, 12:41

mines like 90mm at back, its on its ass, handles well, better than when it was 60 and it doesnt even go near the arches with 195/45/15s so i can prove this!!

12th April 2007, 12:53

mines 60 at front and 80 at rear...

12th April 2007, 13:44

where are you lot getting it from that your cars lowered 60mm on juts springs handle great? have you been in a saxo with decent suspension or pushed your car hard round corners?

12th April 2007, 13:47

and by hard i mean entering the corner like this:

not rude boying it up the sea front

12th April 2007, 13:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

and by hard i mean entering the corner like this:

not rude boying it up the sea front

quality

12th April 2007, 14:05

i think the answer will be no williams

12th April 2007, 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt

i think the answer will be no williams

so do i lol. class pic williams

12th April 2007, 15:05

ASW moment

a couple action shots of how real men corner

12th April 2007, 15:17

Ive started something with this thread lol

Good pictures!!!

12th April 2007, 15:18

class

you will have to let me ride shotgun some time

12th April 2007, 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by x1xclairex1x

Ive started something with this thread lol

Good pictures!!!

start a new thread, most irratic cornering

14th April 2007, 00:07

theres a reason why saxos come with the rear higher as standard

14th April 2007, 09:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by belly_VTS

theres a reason why saxos come with the rear higher as standard

and this reason is....

14th April 2007, 09:25

the rear end wants to be slightly higher than the front end for handling, no idea why but im sure williams, ryan, alex, bullit, dave will say why...

14th April 2007, 09:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt

the rear end wants to be slightly higher than the front end for handling, no idea why but im sure williams, ryan, alex, bullit, dave will say why...

if the back sits lower it understeers wee? and if front too much lower than rear oversteers? as standard mine always oversteered! if was going round corner and came off gas! sometimes at like 30mph.

This is what happened once

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70110

see half way down page

car on bank

14th April 2007, 09:37

hahaha lucky lucky boy not to roll that

must of been going at some speed

14th April 2007, 15:27

Theres some good opinions of handling in this thread, its entertaining.