HELP fitting uprated hoses? What to do, buy new hose?

1. riggsy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts

   #1 4th April 2007, 17:49

   Me and my mate went to fit a 306 gti6 setup to his saxo vts today
   
   We have done one corner (nsf) But when it came to the osf the nut where the uprated hose connects to has been rounded off therefore we cant figure out how to get the old hose off?
   
   How can we sort this? The connections on the rears are also very corroded and dont seem to want to come away?
   
   Tried wd40 etc etc, no luck?
2. Richardson_VTS Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Northallerton Posts: 1672 Mini Cooper S

   #2 4th April 2007, 20:29

   This happened to me, exactly the same side too!
   
   i just left it, and they've been sat in my garage for ages lol
3. riggsy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts

   #3 5th April 2007, 00:54

   LOL no help atall then mate.
   
   Would mole grips work?
   
   Blow torch to heat it up?
   
   Cut it off with hacksaw blade?
4. SAM33R Established Member Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2139 DIABLO RED 106 GTI E36 M3 EVO

   #4 5th April 2007, 01:30

   blow torch and mole grips
5. Scottp Administrator Joined: Dec 2002 Glasgow United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 26097 Chelski Traktor

   #5 5th April 2007, 09:15

   simo had to completely replace his whole front brake pipes when he fitted his new brakes due to the corrosion. Mole grips or heat might work but might be worthwhile just replacing the pipe
6. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #6 5th April 2007, 09:39

   a great excuse to get braided hoses
7. riggsy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts

   #7 5th April 2007, 15:12

   These are braided hoses that were fitting hence title "fitting uprated hoses"
   
   Ill get a blow torch on it, he tried with mole grips today but its not coming off
   
   Scott you mean he replaced the whole standard s/s hose pipes?
8. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

   #8 5th April 2007, 16:12

   yeah if its the nut thats on the pipe end then that section of pipe will have to be replaced unfortunalyly as the nut cannot be replaced unless to cut the end then put a new nut on and then re-flare it so its jsut better to get a new section of pipe
9. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #9 5th April 2007, 17:04

   opps didnt read properly - been working long hours so am proper knackered lol
   if the copper pipe is relatively old then it will be a bugger to flare. It seems to go hard when it oxidises. If you have to go that route I would take the opportunity to replace the whole line. It will only cost a couple of quid for a few connectors and a few metres of copper brakeline. The nice new copper line is so soft it will flare nicely and give a better seal.
   
   Another note. Get some brakeline spanners as these will reduce the risk of the connectors rounding off. Normal spanners do not grip as evenly and round the buggers most of the time
10. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #10 5th April 2007, 17:07

    use a blow torch and a spanner jsut too small for the nut. the hammer straght onto the spanner, this will crack it off. you'll round them off trying to turn it.
11. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #11 5th April 2007, 17:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KamRacing opps didnt read properly - been working long hours so am proper knackered lol if the copper pipe is relatively old then it will be a bugger to flare. It seems to go hard when it oxidises. If you have to go that route I would take the opportunity to replace the whole line. It will only cost a couple of quid for a few connectors and a few metres of copper brakeline. The nice new copper line is so soft it will flare nicely and give a better seal. Another note. Get some brakeline spanners as these will reduce the risk of the connectors rounding off. Normal spanners do not grip as evenly and round the buggers most of the time

    
    you havent read it properly again its his braided hoses that are fucked
12. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #12 5th April 2007, 17:09

    oh, and use the blow torch to heat teh caliper, not the nut. if you get what i mean? if you werent as far away i would do it. unless you can post?
13. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #13 5th April 2007, 17:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts you havent read it properly again its his braided hoses that are fucked

    are you sure? he is on about the nut on the metal line if you ask me:
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by riggsy the nut where the uprated hose connects to has been rounded off

    thus it being the nut on the metal pipe not on the hose, its the one on the left in this pic:
    
    
    
    
    and as camracing said u should allways use hose spanners as they get a better hold so less likely to round off:
    
14. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #14 5th April 2007, 17:41

    i dont like them, i use a normal spanner and a hammer and they come straight off. no rounding.
15. riggsy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts

    #15 5th April 2007, 19:26

    Yes im talking about whats in steves pic!
    
    If we get the nut of cant we just buy a new one then?
16. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #16 5th April 2007, 20:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by riggsy Yes im talking about whats in steves pic! If we get the nut of cant we just buy a new one then?

    you can but u have to cut the flare off and then fit the nut and then flare the end out again, you need a pipe falring kit but as camracing said its hard flare old pipes so its prob better to get a copper pipe made up or get a new one from citroen, plus u know it will have a good seal then
17. riggsy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts

    #17 5th April 2007, 20:44

    Where does this copper pipe that we need connect on to?
    
    I mean how far away from where it is flared?
    
    This well and truly sucks realy gutted for my mate!!
    
    Did any of you have this problem when taking the old nuts off? We even used those special spanners ^^
    
    The rear hoses are going to be fun and games then, as there is two nuts that need undoing on each one
18. riggsy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts

    #18 5th April 2007, 21:06

    Oh and another thing this nut and the ones on the rears are 11mm right?
    
    I have tired a 10mm spanner but no deff 11mm same as yours lads?
    
    Just spoken to someone else that uprated his hoses and he said he used a brake spanner and didnt have this trouble atall! So when it comes to doing mine on my car if i use one of these (which i now have) i wont have this trouble right? As they cant round nuts off?
19. Ste Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Yorkshire Posts: 5415 Saxo

    #19 5th April 2007, 22:18

    Just get a dremmel and cut the cunt off...
20. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #20 5th April 2007, 23:06

    thats why i said to do what i do then you wont need to do all that shit.
21. riggsy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts

    #21 5th April 2007, 23:20

    if we cut it off tho standard copper hose wil need replacin how much are these?
22. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #22 5th April 2007, 23:28

    you wont need to cut them off mate. just bray a spanner on that is too small for the nut.
23. riggsy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts

    #23 6th April 2007, 02:17

    Ok but how are we going to get the nut back on and tight if its rounded?
24. riggsy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts

    #24 6th April 2007, 18:32

    Right this nut isnt coming off so what should we do?
    
    But a new copper hose from citroen? It must be quite long as it goes from near the strut up to the resevouir?
    
    How much are these, anyone fitted before?
25. Richardson_VTS Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Northallerton Posts: 1672 Mini Cooper S

    #25 6th April 2007, 22:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by riggsy Right this nut isnt coming off so what should we do? But a new copper hose from citroen? It must be quite long as it goes from near the strut up to the resevouir? How much are these, anyone fitted before?

    You can't buy it mate, it has to be made up from a roll of copper brake pipe.
26. riggsy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 West Sussex Posts: 6280 Mk2 Saxo Vts

    #26 7th April 2007, 00:10

    Have citroen told you this then?
27. Richardson_VTS Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Northallerton Posts: 1672 Mini Cooper S

    #27 7th April 2007, 13:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by riggsy Have citroen told you this then?

    No, but we get people in all the time at work wanting new brake pipes/lines and we sell them a roll of 3/16th copper pipe and a brake flaring tool kit, along with some male and female unions.
    
    Citroen will just make them up I would of thought!!