Mk2 VTS engine on Mk1 VTS Loom?

1. Joesnow Frequent Poster Joined: May 2006 Posts: 691 Mk 1 VTS poseidon blue

   #1 4th April 2007, 18:36

   My engines broke and I’m thinking about doing a swap…
   
   Will a Mk2 VTS engine fit on a Mk1 VTS engine loom? I’ve been offered 5 low mileage Mk 2 engines so far… there doesn’t seem to be any Mk1 engines about.
   I always thought that both 16V lumps were the same apart from some device/valve on the Mk2s that reduces emissions?
   Is that the only difference?
   Are all the sensors the same?
   Are all the sensors in the same place?
   Anyone done this before?
   
   Thanks any help will be greatly appreciated!
2. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

   #2 4th April 2007, 18:38

   Are the sensors fine in your old engine? If so you should be able to use the Mk2 engine, sack off thje EGR and then replace any sensors that don't match with the ones off your old setup. Bingo Bango, it should work
3. Joesnow Frequent Poster Joined: May 2006 Posts: 691 Mk 1 VTS poseidon blue

   #3 4th April 2007, 18:41

   Yeah all working fine! Thanks! will all the sensors fit? and are they in the same place? will the wires reach?
4. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

   #4 4th April 2007, 18:43

   should be, you'll need to block up any like the cam sensor that you don't need
5. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

   #5 4th April 2007, 21:33

   cam sensor???
   
   will be a striaght swap. just block off the 'egr' hole.
6. Joesnow Frequent Poster Joined: May 2006 Posts: 691 Mk 1 VTS poseidon blue

   #6 4th April 2007, 21:35

   Thanks! will keep you posted with how i get on...
7. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

   #7 4th April 2007, 21:49

   let me know if you need any help. i dont live too far away so if you get stuck i'll try and pop over.
8. Joesnow Frequent Poster Joined: May 2006 Posts: 691 Mk 1 VTS poseidon blue

   #8 4th April 2007, 22:43

   Thanks! I could probs do with a hand! Do you know if the engine will come out the top of the bay? I did some measurements before and dont think I'll be able to get the car high enough to get it out from under the car - my axle stands only go up 48cm.
9. Strikevts Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Uttoxeter Posts: 1519 Mk2 Cammed VTS

   #9 4th April 2007, 23:18

   Just buy an other mk1 vts m8, sell ya mine cheapish
10. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #10 5th April 2007, 07:51

    it will come out the top. or you can use the engine hoist to lift the car up.
11. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #11 5th April 2007, 14:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts cam sensor??? will be a striaght swap. just block off the 'egr' hole.

    I think the Camshaft sensor is on 2001 cars, just to the left of the end of your induction kit samco matey
12. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #12 5th April 2007, 15:15

    its an earth of some sort
    
    no camshaft sensors on them.
13. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #13 5th April 2007, 15:23

    I'm sure its not an earth. Cables are too thin.
    
    Camshaft sensor is mentioned in the Haynes, only on very late models though. God knows what it does, gay multiplex 3 plug shite
14. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #14 5th April 2007, 16:09

    its definetly not a sensor on the side of the cam cover, i knew what it was but cant remeber. has no probe or anything on it. + the cam has nothing for it to get any position from.
15. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #15 5th April 2007, 16:10

    + the single plugs also have that thing on.
16. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #16 5th April 2007, 16:17

    just thought, ive done cams in all years off vts' from 98 to 2002 and all them are teh smae. only difference in heads is egr and some have allen bolts instead of torx. never ever seen a cam sensor.
    
    my sept 2002 engine
    
    
17. CampDavid Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Bedford Posts: 7457 Saxo VTS Peugeot 306 GTI-6 Astra SRI

    #17 5th April 2007, 16:18

    hmmm, tooo be continued after the weekend then You're probably right, am sure it said in the Haynes that it was a cam sensor
18. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #18 5th April 2007, 16:19

    it would need somewhere to read the cams position from though.
19. Joesnow Frequent Poster Joined: May 2006 Posts: 691 Mk 1 VTS poseidon blue

    #19 5th April 2007, 17:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts it will come out the top. or you can use the engine hoist to lift the car up.

    Thanks! I hadn’t thought of lifting the car with the hoist!
20. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #20 5th April 2007, 17:49

    try and get long ropes and lift it by the wishbones. you can lift it by the slam panel but make sure you spread the weight.