VTS crank

1. adamhighfield Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Shrewsbury Posts: 642 Saxo VTS

   #1 11th April 2007, 21:53

   How safe is a VTS standard crank? How much power and revs will it be safe at?
2. Strikevts Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Uttoxeter Posts: 1519 Mk2 Cammed VTS

   #2 11th April 2007, 22:11

   I have and will only take my VTS up to 5,500 MAX! Never hit near 6,500 or 7 else u can say bye bye VTS!
3. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

   #3 11th April 2007, 22:17

   bottom ends are very strong on tu engines
   
   was tested upto a high amount of rpm cant rember what now though
4. Strikevts Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Uttoxeter Posts: 1519 Mk2 Cammed VTS

   #4 11th April 2007, 22:26

   still i wouldnt trash ya car every where!
5. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

   #5 11th April 2007, 22:34

   Bic who is now on here from time to time is running a standard crank on his maxi which iirc is around 208bhp @ 8000 or 9000rpm.. He has had no probs as far as i'm aware.. You just wont break a TU bottom end on a standard powered car, the car will fall to bits usually before the engine gives up..
6. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

   #6 11th April 2007, 22:38

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Strikevts I have and will only take my VTS up to 5,500 MAX! Never hit near 6,500 or 7 else u can say bye bye VTS!

   Thats not true, have faith in TU engines, citroen have been in the game of making cars longer than most companies, trust me they are really good engines. the only thing that makes people think citroens are unreliable is the fact that sensors play up from time to time.. personally my 1.4 which has the same bottom end as the VTS has been ragged everyday since i have known it from 60k and its now on just over 105k and not one thing has gone wrong with the engine, coilpack went and ICV played up thats it..I rev mine right out to 6200rpm everyday on the way to work and back and it just laps it up, i dont know why there are so many so called "enthusiasts" that put there choice of car down, if you think it wont take it get another car..
7. Strikevts Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Uttoxeter Posts: 1519 Mk2 Cammed VTS

   #7 11th April 2007, 22:38

   so wait wait . . Ur telling me that i CAN trash my vts then??
8. Strikevts Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Uttoxeter Posts: 1519 Mk2 Cammed VTS

   #8 11th April 2007, 22:40

   It not the fact that i wont give the old girl some its just i have blown a corsa 1.4 up and a fiesta ZS up! so u can see why i am worryed.
9. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

   #9 11th April 2007, 22:40

   yes, aslong as you perform regular oil changes and general maintanence..
10. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #10 11th April 2007, 22:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Strikevts It not the fact that i wont give the old girl some its just i have blown a corsa 1.4 up and a fiesta ZS up! so u can see why i am worryed.

    You just said it all, corsa!!!!
    
    Regualr oil changes and letting a car warm up before driven hard is all you have to do..
11. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #11 11th April 2007, 22:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Strikevts so wait wait . . Ur telling me that i CAN trash my vts then??

    aslong as its looked after and serviced with decent oil it will be fine
    
    obviousley hitting the limiter in every gear everytime you go out will wear parts down quicker then normal
12. Strikevts Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Uttoxeter Posts: 1519 Mk2 Cammed VTS

    #12 11th April 2007, 22:43

    Ok then i will give my beast abit more on the way to work tomorrow! I am having a cambelt and oil change end of the month and maybe a head gasket change ( just on the safe side ) Thanks for the info here have some rep!
13. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #13 11th April 2007, 22:45

    lol no need to go ragging ta round like a looney
14. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #14 11th April 2007, 22:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Strikevts Ok then i will give my beast abit more on the way to work tomorrow! I am having a cambelt and oil change end of the month and maybe a head gasket change ( just on the safe side ) Thanks for the info here have some rep!

    yeah go and enjoy it!!
    
    Thanks for the rep! lol..
    
    
    
    
15. Strikevts Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Uttoxeter Posts: 1519 Mk2 Cammed VTS

    #15 11th April 2007, 22:46

    I wont i wont like i said i dont go nere the limit and i do look after my beast ( cuz i dont have money for another car lol )
    
    lol np's james_bristol
16. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #16 11th April 2007, 22:46

    If he comes on here tomorrow with a "i crashed my car" thread, i'm not responsible..
17. Strikevts Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Uttoxeter Posts: 1519 Mk2 Cammed VTS

    #17 11th April 2007, 22:47

    LOL touch wood i wont
18. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #18 11th April 2007, 22:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hesslevtr aslong as its looked after and serviced with decent oil it will be fine obviousley hitting the limiter in every gear everytime you go out will wear parts down quicker then normal

    as he said but obviously on a warmed up engine and never from cold
19. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #19 11th April 2007, 22:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stevenet15 as he said but obviously on a warmed up engine and never from cold

    
    
    
    always let her warm up!
20. Strikevts Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Uttoxeter Posts: 1519 Mk2 Cammed VTS

    #20 11th April 2007, 22:49

    Thanx steve and thank you all. i now know more about my engine thanks to you nice peeps
21. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #21 11th April 2007, 22:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stevenet15 as he said but obviously on a warmed up engine and never from cold

    well i thought that was coman sense so didnt think to put it in
22. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #22 11th April 2007, 22:49

    you'd usually only consider a steel crank if the car is going to spend a lot of time at high revs. Endurance racers do this for reliability.. but also if the car if going to be revved outside of its intended design.
    
    If you look at the peak power figure on the VTS it is below the redline so you shouldn't really be bouncing it off the limiter at all
23. Strikevts Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Uttoxeter Posts: 1519 Mk2 Cammed VTS

    #23 11th April 2007, 22:52

    Hmmm well since where on about engines here could some1 tell me how to keep my VTS cool! as at the moment when i am stuck in traffic and its a hot day my car over heats! Any way or a part i can buy to keep her cooler?
24. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #24 11th April 2007, 22:53

    Agree with what kam just said, but a standard bottom end will take track abuse etc aslong as the cars not too modified, but then bics car seems to be ok.
    
    Just warm her up and regular oil changes with decent oil it will be sound..
25. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #25 11th April 2007, 22:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Strikevts Hmmm well since where on about engines here could some1 tell me how to keep my VTS cool! as at the moment when i am stuck in traffic and its a hot day my car over heats! Any way or a part i can buy to keep her cooler?

    coolent change and new thermostate
26. Strikevts Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Uttoxeter Posts: 1519 Mk2 Cammed VTS

    #26 11th April 2007, 22:55

    Added to my list for service end o month! thats if my car hasnt totaly overheated by then!
27. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #27 11th April 2007, 22:56

    thats what i need, a new thermostat.. Hard to fit??
28. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #28 11th April 2007, 22:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Strikevts Hmmm well since where on about engines here could some1 tell me how to keep my VTS cool! as at the moment when i am stuck in traffic and its a hot day my car over heats!

    
    when u say over heats do u mean the temp is high or it overheats and chucks the coolant out?
29. Strikevts Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Uttoxeter Posts: 1519 Mk2 Cammed VTS

    #29 11th April 2007, 22:57

    lol this is becoming funny now where all helping each other out with different things! wanna start our own garage any1 lol
30. Strikevts Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Uttoxeter Posts: 1519 Mk2 Cammed VTS

    #30 11th April 2007, 22:58

    I mean the other day i had to stop at KFC ( Lovely ) cuz the red dot lighted up on the temp ( left side of gages ) any ideas?
31. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #31 11th April 2007, 22:58

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by James_Bristol thats what i need, a new thermostat.. Hard to fit??

    nah not really 3 bolts iirc
    
    new 1 in new coolent
    
    bleed system
    
    job done
32. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #32 11th April 2007, 22:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Strikevts I mean the other day i had to stop at KFC ( Lovely ) cuz the red dot lighted up on the temp ( left side of gages ) any ideas?

    thats not right at all, u can try a coolant and thermostat change but it could be headgaskette, blacked rad or shagged water pump, have u inspected ur coolant?
33. Strikevts Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Uttoxeter Posts: 1519 Mk2 Cammed VTS

    #33 11th April 2007, 23:00

    so how much is this gonna cost me then! on my list is :
    1. New Cambelt
    2. New Coolent
    3. New Headgasket ( safty )
    4. New Thermostat
    
    Hopefully all done at the same time!
34. Strikevts Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Uttoxeter Posts: 1519 Mk2 Cammed VTS

    #34 11th April 2007, 23:01

    I topped up the rad other day and it seemed alot better then befor ( when it over heated ). I will have another look at it tomoz! tbh i cant see the feckin levels cuz its hard to see where the lines are on them.
    
    EDIT : i checked the oil and theres not water in there so that means the headgasket is ok right??
35. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #35 11th April 2007, 23:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hesslevtr nah not really 3 bolts iirc new 1 in new coolent bleed system job done

    Oh ah sounds ok, i just changed the coolent and radiator hoping to solve the prob and it hasn't..
    
    ok, will try the thermostat next.
    
    Cheers mate, have some rep! I'm feeling very generous!
36. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #36 11th April 2007, 23:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Strikevts so how much is this gonna cost me then! on my list is : 1. New Cambelt 2. New Coolent 3. New Headgasket ( safty ) 4. New Thermostat Hopefully all done at the same time!

    it migth not be the headgasket so dont jump to conclusions, if it is the headgasket u can do the job urself using the guide i wrote and it should only cost u £100 in parts if u get citroen to do it expect to pay £400
37. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #37 11th April 2007, 23:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Strikevts I topped up the rad other day and it seemed alot better then befor ( when it over heated ). I will have another look at it tomoz! tbh i cant see the feckin levels cuz its hard to see where the lines are on them. EDIT : i checked the oil and theres not water in there so that means the headgasket is ok right??

    not nesesarraly mine was letting combustion gas (air) into the coolant system, might jsut have an air lock, get it bleed out properly
38. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #38 11th April 2007, 23:06

    do a compression test to check the headgasket. Testing kits are only £12-15
39. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #39 11th April 2007, 23:15

    If you have no oil in your water or water in your oil and no mayonaise stuff under the oil filler cap your headgasket is ok...
    
    Also if your headgasket is screwed it could end up only running on 3 cylinders etc and you will notice that alot!
40. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #40 11th April 2007, 23:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by James_Bristol If you have no oil in your water or water in your oil and no mayonaise stuff under the oil filler cap your headgasket is ok... Also if your headgasket is screwed it could end up only running on 3 cylinders etc and you will notice that alot!

    
    
    your forgeting the fact that combustion gasses can be getitign in the coolant, so jsut cos he might not have the symptoms u described dont mean his headgasket is fine. a compression test or a chemical tester will check and see if combuston gasses are getting in the coolant
41. SAM33R Established Member Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2139 DIABLO RED 106 GTI E36 M3 EVO

    #41 11th April 2007, 23:38

    i think the saxo engine are tested upto 10-15k rpm????????
42. Strikevts Established Member Joined: Jan 2007 Uttoxeter Posts: 1519 Mk2 Cammed VTS

    #42 11th April 2007, 23:53

    Ok i will check these tomorrow. right now i think bed is a good idea! night all speak to ya tomorrow.
43. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #43 12th April 2007, 00:53

    cant be arsed to read it all.
    
    i read TUs were tested at up to 15k on standard internals. the normal crank has been used by many revving highly, as stated bic, and many other big bhp tbd engines. the standard crank is quite strong but also balanced well for that matter