More Stopping Power Needed

1. Saxo_AnD Newbie Joined: May 2006 Posts: 23

   #1 15th April 2007, 20:29

   I have changed from 1.1 calipers to VT* calipers, brembo disks and green stuff pads, still not totally convinced that it has made too much difference though. What else can i do to improve the braking, braided hoses, master cylinder???
   
   Any input would be greatly appreciated....
2. Baz Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150

   #2 15th April 2007, 20:31

   bigger brakes, ie 206 gti brakes
3. ChrisJ Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2005 Widnes United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3517 Saxo furio

   #3 15th April 2007, 20:32

   Yeah, bigger brakes. The 306 gti-6 setup is a good one. Not really needed though if you only have a 1.1 Unless of course you've done a conversion.
4. Saxo_AnD Newbie Joined: May 2006 Posts: 23

   #4 15th April 2007, 20:33

   ok... without replacing the brakes...lol
5. Saxo_AnD Newbie Joined: May 2006 Posts: 23

   #5 15th April 2007, 20:33

   yea, conversion is on it's way, just gettin brakes/suspension, ready for it...
6. user_7076 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 Milton Keynes Posts: 8504 Audi A1 S-Line, Mazda MX5 Kuro, Renault Clio 1.2,

   #6 15th April 2007, 20:34

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by ChrisJ Yeah, bigger brakes. The 306 gti-6 setup is a good one. Not really needed though if you only have a 1.1 Unless of course you've done a conversion.

   lol why the hell do people say this? At 60 MPH, a child walks out in front of you. It doesnt matter how big your engine is, you still need to stop quickly if you need to. How fast you got to that speed has nothing to do with it.
7. ChrisJ Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2005 Widnes United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3517 Saxo furio

   #7 15th April 2007, 20:35

   Very true. Never thought of that
8. Saxo_AnD Newbie Joined: May 2006 Posts: 23

   #8 15th April 2007, 20:43

   so...without replacing brakes...again...???
9. sim69er South Wales Joined: Jan 2005 The Valley's init Posts: 3601 vtr mk2

   #9 15th April 2007, 20:46

   try rebleeding them or putting a bigger master cylinder on them, have they beded in?
10. Saxo_AnD Newbie Joined: May 2006 Posts: 23

    #10 15th April 2007, 21:08

    yea gona rebleed them at the weekend, i'll try the cylinder, i've done about 400 miles so, rekon they need more...?
11. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

    #11 15th April 2007, 21:31

    You can improve pedal feel by replacing the rubber hoses with braided ones, upgrade the fluid to dot 5.1 and if you want less pedal travel before the brakes bite you can uprate the MC.
    
    That's pretty much all you can do without upsizing!
12. Saxo_AnD Newbie Joined: May 2006 Posts: 23

    #12 15th April 2007, 21:34

    i've upgraded the fluid already, apparently you cannot uprate the MC without redoing the brake lines, whats that involve...?
13. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

    #13 15th April 2007, 21:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Saxo_AnD i've upgraded the fluid already, apparently you cannot uprate the MC without redoing the brake lines, whats that involve...?

    Just rebleeding the brakes...or do you mean upgrading the lines?
14. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

    #14 15th April 2007, 21:41

    take the Green Stuff pads off and get some Mintex 1144's, i had green stuff on mine and they were absolute crap. they only work properly when they are hot which is why they should be only used on cars such as mr2's, 200sx's, skyline, etc....
15. Saxo_AnD Newbie Joined: May 2006 Posts: 23

    #15 15th April 2007, 21:47

    upgrading the lines, hows that done...?
16. tpreece88 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 Hereford (West Mids) Posts: 755 VTR and 307 Hdi

    #16 16th April 2007, 22:38

    if you upgrade the brakes that much on a 1.1 you will stop so quick youre eyes will come out their sockets and the person behind you will be siting in the back of your car with you....
    
    citroen payed millions for designers to design brakes adequate for the engine sizes especially 1.1's (face it they dont go that quick) just leave them how they are if you have got too much money dont spend it all on a 1.1 just get a bigger engined car or convert it.
    
    end of that day if you wanta do it its your choice this is mearly my input good luck with it anyway
17. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #17 16th April 2007, 22:41

    for better braking don't forget tyres.
    
    Big brakes are useless if the grip between the tyre and the road becomes a significant factor in braking distance.
18. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #18 16th April 2007, 22:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tpreece88 if you upgrade the brakes that much on a 1.1 you will stop so quick youre eyes will come out their sockets and the person behind you will be siting in the back of your car with you.... citroen payed millions for designers to design brakes adequate for the engine sizes especially 1.1's (face it they dont go that quick) just leave them how they are if you have got too much money dont spend it all on a 1.1 just get a bigger engined car or convert it. end of that day if you wanta do it its your choice this is mearly my input good luck with it anyway

    Agree'd for road use the standard brakes are fine, if your going on track vented and grooved discs with decent pads will be ok..
19. tpreece88 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 Hereford (West Mids) Posts: 755 VTR and 307 Hdi

    #19 16th April 2007, 22:48

    yeah but is this guy on a track?
20. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #20 16th April 2007, 22:50

    i have some 266mm brakes for sale.
21. Gav Established Member Joined: Mar 2005 Bishop Auckland North East United Kingdom (England) Posts: 2447 clio 172 ph2

    #21 16th April 2007, 22:55

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tpreece88 if you upgrade the brakes that much on a 1.1 you will stop so quick youre eyes will come out their sockets and the person behind you will be siting in the back of your car with you.... citroen payed millions for designers to design brakes adequate for the engine sizes especially 1.1's (face it they dont go that quick) just leave them how they are if you have got too much money dont spend it all on a 1.1 just get a bigger engined car or convert it. end of that day if you wanta do it its your choice this is mearly my input good luck with it anyway

    you dont read much do you. HE IS GETTING A ENGINE CONVERSION.
22. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #22 16th April 2007, 22:57

    i think he should be some 266mm brakes from me then
23. Saxo_AnD Newbie Joined: May 2006 Posts: 23

    #23 17th April 2007, 12:29

    The reason i'm doing it is because it isn't gonna be a 1.1 for much longer and i don't think the standard brakes are gonna quite cut it...
24. sy_VTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2006 BLACKBURN Posts: 1216 BLACK MK2 VTR, MK1 POSI VTS

    #24 17th April 2007, 12:48

    hinge a wooden stick out the door and pull hard, worked on my old wooden go cart as a kid!
25. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #25 17th April 2007, 13:51

    big brakes - primary jobs is to disipate heat quickly. Upgrading to bigger disks and multi pot calipers will not decrease your braking distance on their own. What they will do is change the braking balance and feel through the pedals.
    
    So to stop faster you need to do two things, reduce weight transfer to the front by fitting the best suspension that you can and also by fitting the best gripping tyres you can afford.
    
    If your car can lock its brakes it shows that you can apply maximum force before the traction between the tyre and road is broken. A big brake kit will allow you to do this more times before brake fade will be an issue.
    
    To increase that friction co-efficient between the road and tyre you need sticky tyres. If you are happy running cut-slicks during the summer then do it
    
    Our 205 rallye trackcar ran £3k suspension on it, cut slicks with standard pads and disks and it could outbrake a friends Ibiza Cupra R with 4 pot Brembos.
    
    I know many people find it hard to see the logic behind all this. if you disagree ask yourself this.
    Why do my brakes lock quicker when the road is wet?
    Its the same principle but in reverse
26. Saxo_AnD Newbie Joined: May 2006 Posts: 23

    #26 17th April 2007, 14:00

    very good way of looking at things i suppose, seems to make sense too. I've got suspensio upgrade plans after i've sorted out the brakes. Guess that should also improve things too...
27. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #27 17th April 2007, 14:09

    buy some 266mm brakes off me then striaght fit onto your car.
28. Saxo_AnD Newbie Joined: May 2006 Posts: 23

    #28 17th April 2007, 14:15

    i would do, but i've just spent the best part of £300 on the brakes i just bought mate...
29. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #29 17th April 2007, 15:00

    what you bought?
30. Saxo_AnD Newbie Joined: May 2006 Posts: 23

    #30 17th April 2007, 15:11

    VT* calipers, brembo disks & greenstuff pads...
31. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #31 17th April 2007, 15:30

    you should of bought bigger brakes tbh.
32. Saxo_AnD Newbie Joined: May 2006 Posts: 23

    #32 17th April 2007, 16:29

    yea, kinda thinking the same thing now...