Camming a VTR

1. yerdusk Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 selston, notts Posts: 4127 '72 Bug

   #1 17th April 2007, 19:05

   Right guys. I was thinking of buying myself a vts but then that all went wrong so I have decided to keep my vtr.
   
   I have some money coming shortly and have got a few other things lined up, but was thinking about getting the cams done. Only problem is, I dont know much about this. If anyone could help me answer these questions please?!
   1. What exactly do I need to buy?
   2. How much is all parts and fitting likely to cost
   3. What sort of power increase am i likely to see?
   Oh and is there anything else that will need to be done?
2. Predator_R32p Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP

   #2 17th April 2007, 19:17

   cam kit and fitting about 300 - 400
   
   then remap about 400 - 500
   
   have you got everything you want done to the engine as cams and remap should be last on the list
3. fredjudd Established Member Joined: Aug 2006 Salisbury Posts: 1118 Saxo VTR full Janspeed exhuast (4-2

   #3 17th April 2007, 21:12

   with a big duration cam you will be looking around the 120 bhp mark max.
   
   dare i say it.... a cammed 16v will reach 150 bhp + with ease...
4. yerdusk Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 selston, notts Posts: 4127 '72 Bug

   #4 17th April 2007, 21:20

   well i was thinking about a manifold, but will i have to have a decat pipe as my cat is at the front? Im up for a manifold, but not too keen on decat as its hassle before an mot. Although if its pushing out more ponies, then maybe
   
   So cams should be last then?
5. fredjudd Established Member Joined: Aug 2006 Salisbury Posts: 1118 Saxo VTR full Janspeed exhuast (4-2

   #5 17th April 2007, 21:20

   re map should be last, but cams deffinately towards the end of you mods list.
6. yerdusk Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 selston, notts Posts: 4127 '72 Bug

   #6 17th April 2007, 21:21

   ok, im a little unclear, do i have to have it remapped for the cams to be fitted?
7. Predator_R32p Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP

   #7 17th April 2007, 21:23

   well its best to do it last as you will get the most out of cams and everything else with a remap mate
   
   it will run ok dont get me wrong but its mostly a last engine mod
8. yerdusk Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 selston, notts Posts: 4127 '72 Bug

   #8 17th April 2007, 21:26

   ok thanks mate, sorry to sound a little stupid! Engine stuff has never been my strong point on these! Give me a 998 A series any day!
   
   So, if i go for a manifold, then cams, then remap. Thats the way to do it yea?
9. fredjudd Established Member Joined: Aug 2006 Salisbury Posts: 1118 Saxo VTR full Janspeed exhuast (4-2

   #9 17th April 2007, 21:27

   General order of mods to engine:
   Exhuast
   Induction
   Cams
   Re map
   
   Exhuast and induction need to be sorted before the cams and remap otherwise if you are running standard induction of exhuast it will restrict the engine not allowing you to get the best out of the cam
10. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #10 17th April 2007, 21:28

    yes. once you remap you cant change something again without remapping it again or being tweeked.
    
    def change fanny, the standards are crap on saxo. mot time slip him a fiver. job done
11. yerdusk Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 selston, notts Posts: 4127 '72 Bug

    #11 17th April 2007, 21:28

    ok, so would you advise on something like a bmc? And what sort of exhaust? At the mo i just have a peco, but thats just there for sound!
12. yerdusk Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 selston, notts Posts: 4127 '72 Bug

    #12 17th April 2007, 21:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit yes. once you remap you cant change something again without remapping it again or being tweeked. def change fanny, the standards are crap on saxo. mot time slip him a fiver. job done

    lol, seems like thats it then. New manifold and decat!
13. GTI_Lee Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Wales Posts: 1486 1)2002 Saxo VTR 2)2003 106 GTI

    #13 17th April 2007, 21:34

    I have a Green enclosed filter, GMC 4-1 and a Magnex cat-back system! I'm really pleased with all these mods! Going for cam and re-map soon to mate! I'm going for the Piper 285 cam!
14. Predator_R32p Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP

    #14 17th April 2007, 21:34

    you will need
    
    Enclosed induction - Green, BMC or Raceland and green filter deal
    Exhaust - Full stainless steel system- Magnex, piper, omp scorpion are all the main ones
    Manifold - Raceland, GMC or supersprint
    Cam Kit - piper seems to be the favourite on VTRs
    then after all that get it remapped
15. manc Established Member Joined: Dec 2004 Derby Posts: 1945 Pug 207

    #15 17th April 2007, 21:35

    BMC & Green both of which are a "enclosed" system, where as other's are open and will be pulling in warm/hot air from the engine bay.
    
    You pretty much on the way on to doing what I am in the process of having done currently, my breath'n mods are done (manifold back & induction), I've chosen to go for a milder cam & dastek (secondhand), keep an eye on my progress thread for the outcome of my cam fitting & dastek.
    
    ManC
16. yerdusk Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 selston, notts Posts: 4127 '72 Bug

    #16 17th April 2007, 21:44

    thanks for advice guys, rep on its way!
    
    When i get stuck next i will be calling on you all again!!
17. yerdusk Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 selston, notts Posts: 4127 '72 Bug

    #17 17th April 2007, 21:45

    i must spread the love first! So no rep for now, but thanks anyways, much appreciated