What Shall I Do????

23rd April 2007, 20:23

if i had 4 grand to play with and have already got full eghaust plus manifold and induction kit,what would you guys recommend?? either a supercharger or turbo? but with that budget i would also like to uprate me clutch and get a abt diff to put the power down,im after say 200-220bhp is it possible on the budget to set it up aswell,thanks for reading

23rd April 2007, 20:27

if i had that spare wouldnt spend it on a saxo..... have a proper think. if not would cam it, head work etc before i thought about turboing it

23rd April 2007, 21:54

You might get over 200bhp on that money but, would use that or more just for the charger conversion, then there's brakes, clutches, fuelling, I would say to have a reliable 200-220 you'd need to spend a good 6-8k.

23rd April 2007, 22:16

depends if you done it yourself. ATB is near £600, then theres the stripping of the gearbox to fit it.

i kinda regret selling mine now

24th April 2007, 08:30

If you want to spend the whole £4k on the saxo Id look at very well chossen chassis mods, the best suspension package you can fine, bigger anti roll bar and sticky tyres. £4k would be a real budget turbo entry kit.

If it was my money Id put it too one side and maybe look to find a slightly older 90's hot hatch for £3k and leave the other £1k for insurance

FTW - 205 GTi 1.9 - Legend or Series2 RSturbo - my choice

24th April 2007, 10:15

205 with a MI in it bye bye vts lol

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24th April 2007, 10:17

Throttle Bodies

24th April 2007, 10:20

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Originally Posted by leeroybrown

205 with a MI in it bye bye vts lol

Thats the one

Or a Series2 RSturbo with a stripped interior and a decent intercooler

I think the most Id be happy spendin in one go is around £500-£600 anymore and Id be thinking hold on a minute I could have a cheap run around fo rthat kinda money to ease the mileage of my S. So I could never spend £4k on my car in one go cos Id see it as my tickect to a Series1 RSturbo or RS1600

24th April 2007, 10:22

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Originally Posted by leeroybrown

205 with a MI in it bye bye vts lol

until the 205 hits a corner

24th April 2007, 10:24

still it will be miles ahead
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24th April 2007, 10:25

if on a 16v motor.
catcam 708s
4 pots, the quaife ATB diff, full bilstein suspension with cutsom faulkner springs, uprated torsion bars 21/22 and a 25mm arb.
4 pots - hi spec/willwood
kms ecu
-a map on kms with 708s will be easy to find as theres tons floating about.
then save for some KMS DTH tbs

24th April 2007, 10:26

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

if on a 16v motor.
catcam 708s
4 pots, the quaife ATB diff, full bilstein suspension with cutsom faulkner springs, uprated torsion bars 21/22 and a 25mm arb.
4 pots - hi spec/willwood
kms ecu
-a map on kms with 708s will be easy to find as theres tons floating about.
then save for some KMS DTH tbs

See there you go again with your Super Shopping list again

How do you remember all this stuff?

24th April 2007, 10:27

try newmans for a change

dont follow the sheep!!!!
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24th April 2007, 10:30

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Originally Posted by leeroybrown

still it will be miles ahead

not necessarily, a friend has a 205 on mi16, and is not as quick as you would expect with a std engine

24th April 2007, 10:30

you only have £4k so its not a lot to do a good turbo conversion. But i think you may miss the instand response of a tuned N/a car. I personally would fit a set of cams, get a good clutch and diff. Thats going to come to around £1200. Then buy the best suspension you can afford. Skip the adjustable stuff and go for something more advanced from the Bilstein range. Group N dampers all round would work very nicely. Including fitting costs and lowering the rear beam you are probably looking at £2000 of your budget. While you are sorting the rear beam it would be rude not to uprate the torsion bar so thats another £300.

You could even treat yourself to a set of AP racing 4 pot calipers and floating disks/bells for the ultimate in stopping power.

With that set up you will have a very capable car that would embarass most cars, including maybe the 205 mi16 lol. Its more fun to run away from a car down the a-roads rather than the city traffic light drag, you're gearbox might survive too

24th April 2007, 10:30

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Originally Posted by leeroybrown

try newmans for a change

dont follow the sheep!!!!

sheep... read about the map??

a FREEEEEEEEEE MAP!! as many have 708s on kms!!!!!!

24th April 2007, 10:31

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Originally Posted by VTS_16v_Boy

See there you go again with your Super Shopping list again

How do you remember all this stuff?

lol i read what works

and have a good memory.

24th April 2007, 10:35

a tuned 206 mi and a vts wouldnt have a chance

Am suggestion that people use newmans for a change and they have been around longer then bloody cat cams thats for sure, if even made cams for Peugeot

Am suggesting something different for a change instead of every one buying the same

Variety is the spice of life

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24th April 2007, 10:36

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

not necessarily, a friend has a 205 on mi16, and is not as quick as you would expect with a std engine

thats cos they need throttlebodies for serious fun lol mine had 176bhp and would keep up with mildly tuned cossie 4x4's, Golf r32 could be outdragged uphill lol

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Originally Posted by leeroybrown

try newmans for a change

dont follow the sheep!!!!

any results yet?

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Originally Posted by VTS_16v_Boy

See there you go again with your Super Shopping list again

How do you remember all this stuff?

he's a petrolhead...its in the genes

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Originally Posted by leeroybrown

still it will be miles ahead

not enough i would think but it will be faster

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

until the 205 hits a corner

only if its on standard suspension. A 205 with decent shocks is I believe more capable than the heavier saxo/106 - but theres not a lot in it really

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

if on a 16v motor.
catcam 708s
4 pots, the quaife ATB diff, full bilstein suspension with cutsom faulkner springs, uprated torsion bars 21/22 and a 25mm arb.
4 pots - hi spec/willwood
kms ecu
-a map on kms with 708s will be easy to find as theres tons floating about.
then save for some KMS DTH tbs

darn you beat me!

24th April 2007, 10:40

results will be on here soon a few people are having them fitted into there gti/vts in the coming weeks!!!!
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24th April 2007, 10:40

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Originally Posted by leeroybrown

a tuned 206 mi and a vts wouldnt have a chance

Am suggestion that people use newmans for a change and they have been around longer then bloody cat cams thats for sure, if even made cams for Peugeot

Am suggesting something different for a change instead of every one buying the same

Variety is the spice of life

being around longer doesn mean you make better cam profiles

catcams have made proven gains and are good value which is why people have used them

im not a newmans hater, as im wanting to talk to them about a custom grind for my engine when i rebuild it. i think people need to remeber though that being different can sometimes be a let down... as if stuff works well it works well so people will keep with it!

ive not yet seen any RR results on the 16V newmans set up yet either?

24th April 2007, 10:44

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Originally Posted by KamRacing

thats cos they need throttlebodies for serious fun

he's a petrolhead...its in the genes

only if its on standard suspension. A 205 with decent shocks is I believe more capable than the heavier saxo/106 - but theres not a lot in it really

darn you beat me!

hahaha i know mate, id love a 205 with mi16 running tbs id love to buy my mates and rebuild it but cant justify a 3rd car, his has a dodgy ecu i think its on a 1.6 ecu which is why we think it underperforms.

205s are cool, just think that if they use the heavy engine (i know some mi lumps are light some are not depending on age) then it will cause problems no matter what. espec next to a good tuned NA 1600 saxo on very good suspension.

Beat you to it lol! and i didnt even have it on copy and paste

24th April 2007, 10:45

There will be some RR results soon as memners are fitting them in the coming weeks

Newmans are big in the Ford and VW world so i cant see them being any different cos its French

In mu opinion i would rather run piper cams over the 708's as a variety of my mates have them and run without any lumpy probs where as the few who have cat cams have a spluttery start and it coughs and chokes on and these were all mapped by a good mapper
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24th April 2007, 10:51

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Originally Posted by leeroybrown

There will be some RR results soon as memners are fitting them in the coming weeks

Newmans are big in the Ford and VW world so i cant see them being any different cos its French

In mu opinion i would rather run piper cams over the 708's as a variety of my mates have them and run without any lumpy probs where as the few who have cat cams have a spluttery start and it coughs and chokes on and these were all mapped by a good mapper

you do know that coughs splutters and chokes are because of the cam profile itself?

if i was to run 290 cams from any manufacturer you would have the same problem because of the valve lift/opening/timing. its what causes the coughing as to speak.

i know theyre big in the ford scene. it does make a difference being french as its a different engine, so will require different profiles to get matched and meet better running/power/emmisions.

just because something is good on one car make it doesnt mean it will be on another.

24th April 2007, 10:54

yes i do know why they cough cos the lift is high

Well we will just have to wait the RR results wont we and see who is proven wrong in this little debate

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24th April 2007, 10:57

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

hahaha i know mate, id love a 205 with mi16 running tbs id love to buy my mates and rebuild it but cant justify a 3rd car, his has a dodgy ecu i think its on a 1.6 ecu which is why we think it underperforms.

205s are cool, just think that if they use the heavy engine (i know some mi lumps are light some are not depending on age) then it will cause problems no matter what. espec next to a good tuned NA 1600 saxo on very good suspension.

Beat you to it lol! and i didnt even have it on copy and paste

ha ha i must be a slower typer

The mi16 really comes alive with a little tuning. Throttle bodies leave you grinning every time you drive it. I used to have people swerve as I roared past as it would make them jump

The mi16 is heavier but this is offset by a lighter chassis and other components. The tuned vts will I would think match it at low speeds but when greater torque is needed at high speeds I think the mi16 would walk all over it if its running true.

24th April 2007, 10:58

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Originally Posted by leeroybrown

yes i do know why they cough cos the lift is high

Well we will just have to wait the RR results wont we and see who is proven wrong in this little debate

have you actually read any comments ive made. or just seen the words 708s or qep and immediately started arguing??

if you were to have read you would read that i have said that i dont slate newmans, and that i think theyre respectable. Only have i said that because a company is good with one manufacturers engine it doesnt mean its good with another. theres nothing about being proven wrong.

and until there are lots of maps floating about for newmans the 708s are a cheaper option because of the maps that are available cheaply/free. which is where the money really goes when fitting cams.

24th April 2007, 11:00

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Originally Posted by KamRacing

ha ha i must be a slower typer

The mi16 really comes alive with a little tuning. Throttle bodies leave you grinning every time you drive it. I used to have people swerve as I roared past as it would make them jump

The mi16 is heavier but this is offset by a lighter chassis and other components. The tuned vts will I would think match it at low speeds but when greater torque is needed at high speeds I think the mi16 would walk all over it if its running true.

slow typer.. hope it doesnt make you a slow driver

just a shame most people dont actually set up an mi right though isnt it?
most just wang it in without thinking about what needs setting up for it.

BTW im a big 205 lover before anyone starts saying i hate em.

24th April 2007, 11:01

and you say am argumentative

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24th April 2007, 11:05

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

slow typer.. hope it doesnt make you a slow driver

just a shame most people dont actually set up an mi right though isnt it?
most just wang it in without thinking about what needs setting up for it.

BTW im a big 205 lover before anyone starts saying i hate em.

thats fighting talk. Next year i'll have my 205 built and you can see lol

24th April 2007, 11:06

Yep can beat the noise of a throttle bodied MI

got any pics?
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24th April 2007, 11:08

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Originally Posted by KamRacing

thats fighting talk. Next year i'll have my 205 built and you can see lol

haha!! first dibs on pass ride!!

ill bring my camera and get some nice pics for you haha!!

hopefully by then my track car will be finished

its a pain that i cant do most the work myself because i get really claustraphobic under a car

24th April 2007, 11:09

have you not got any big ramps you can put it on?
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24th April 2007, 11:12

nope nothing like that only axle stands.

im 6ft 6 so quite a big guy and so really struggle under a car, and the fact i get claustraphobic really doesnt help matters.

24th April 2007, 11:13

6ft 6 what the hell do you eat miracle grow lol

i thought i was tall at 6ft 2
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24th April 2007, 11:15

lol i eat to much. im growing still lol!

its made for a rather interesting head/rollcage/bucket seat touch lately.

24th April 2007, 11:17

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Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Yep can beat the noise of a throttle bodied MI

got any pics?

i'll start a new thread so we dont completly hyjack this one lol

24th April 2007, 11:17

i can imagine

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24th April 2007, 11:17

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Originally Posted by Itsafastworld85

nope nothing like that only axle stands.

im 6ft 6 so quite a big guy and so really struggle under a car, and the fact i get claustraphobic really doesnt help matters.

lol

When I picked up the Rallye rims off Ryan I thought the Jolly Green Giant had got out of the Saxo

24th April 2007, 11:19

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Originally Posted by VTS_16v_Boy

lol

When I picked up the Rallye rims off Ryan I thought the Jolly Green Giant had got out of the Saxo

and i didnt even have my helmet on oooooooo er

24th April 2007, 19:12

thanks for the quick response guys,havent got that sort of money yet but me old dear sed i could loan it! ive had my car lowered already not a 2 grand spec but itll do,think i mite aswell stick with the cams remap and diff for now,with a better clutch,how much will that be then guys????????

24th April 2007, 19:19

dont modify a car with a loan!!!!!!!

no matter who it is from! its dangerous!

box with diff and rebuild close to 1k. cams + remap can come to another 1k.

depends on whos fitting it