piper cams

1. bbbiggsy Regular Poster Joined: May 2006 northwich Posts: 259 vectra 2.2 sri 150.

   #1 24th April 2007, 15:37

   just bin on motor sport world lookin at cams and i was lookin at the ultimate road cam by piper but it says 'not recommended for use with std injection'
   does it really matter? and wot would it do to me car if i get it?
   
   please help!!!
2. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #2 24th April 2007, 15:57

   basically you're car will not be able to provide enough air or fuel for the cam. If it needs more fuel then you will need to look at bigger injectors minimum and most likely an aftermarket ecu to control everything, then you might as well sort the air issue out at the same time and bolt on a set of throttlebodies
3. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

   #3 24th April 2007, 22:40

   standard ecu cant run bigger injectors.
4. bbbiggsy Regular Poster Joined: May 2006 northwich Posts: 259 vectra 2.2 sri 150.

   #4 25th April 2007, 05:59

   i'll get the fast road cam then less pissin bout
5. bbbiggsy Regular Poster Joined: May 2006 northwich Posts: 259 vectra 2.2 sri 150.

   #5 25th April 2007, 06:00

   and thank 4 the help
6. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

   #6 25th April 2007, 06:46

   i wouldnt go for the 270, no point really as you will hardly see a gain. especially without a remap.
   
   get the bp285
7. bbbiggsy Regular Poster Joined: May 2006 northwich Posts: 259 vectra 2.2 sri 150.

   #7 25th April 2007, 12:29

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by williamsvts i wouldnt go for the 270, no point really as you will hardly see a gain. especially without a remap. get the bp285

   cant really get them if i'v got to change the injection. bin talkin to me mate who can fit the cam for cheap, he said the 270 will be fine. he's got one in his and its not slow it keeps up wit my kids vts to 130mph.
8. stiffler69 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289

   #8 25th April 2007, 12:51

   Wouldnt get piper full stop i had a 285 cam in my vtr and until i got a map the car was under powering
9. bbbiggsy Regular Poster Joined: May 2006 northwich Posts: 259 vectra 2.2 sri 150.

   #9 25th April 2007, 12:55

   did u have std inlection
10. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #10 25th April 2007, 14:38

    no point imo, for the gain you;ll get and the amount your spending its not worth it.
11. bbbiggsy Regular Poster Joined: May 2006 northwich Posts: 259 vectra 2.2 sri 150.

    #11 25th April 2007, 16:47

    nice mate i'll just keep lookin
    
    edwardo
12. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #12 25th April 2007, 18:16

    if your not getting a cam and a remap dont bother changing it
13. Scottp Administrator Joined: Dec 2002 Glasgow United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 26097 Chelski Traktor

    #13 25th April 2007, 18:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stiffler69 Wouldnt get piper full stop i had a 285 cam in my vtr and until i got a map the car was under powering

    thats your fault though for not doing the mods necessary to get the cam to perform correctly i.e. the remap
14. stiffler69 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289

    #14 25th April 2007, 19:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scott thats your fault though for not doing the mods necessary to get the cam to perform correctly i.e. the remap

    Yeah but i dont think this guy is planning on mapping it neither and was also told by many garages that sometimes you dont see gains on the saxo's with piper cams and they recommmended kent or cat cams. I mean if you looked at cammedvtr's he has 122bhp on the standard map port and polished head etc he was running a kent pt40 i think so i was trying to give the guy some advice that maybe another cam could see him better gains on the standard map
15. stiffler69 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289

    #15 25th April 2007, 19:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bbbiggsy did u have std inlection

    Yes i had the standard injectors car was extremely lumpy upon idle but did improve once mapped and i got 120bhp on the vtr with breather modifications and bmc induction kit
16. bbbiggsy Regular Poster Joined: May 2006 northwich Posts: 259 vectra 2.2 sri 150.

    #16 26th April 2007, 05:55

    so how much or kent cams?
    &
    re-map or chip?
17. stiffler69 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 North East Posts: 5289

    #17 26th April 2007, 14:48

    i got a remap from a local garage to me for £290+vat. Chipwizards charge around £450 and come highly recommmened for saxo's i persoanlly would not pay the extra money but i have a top grade tuning garage pretty close to me who deals with some pretty top spec'd motors so i suppose its alot easier for me to just go there. Cams can be anything from £300-450 depending on weather or not you need the lifter's and followers im not really a expert on this im only giving advice on my own experience.
18. boz Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2005 somewhere on this planet, doing something..... around northumberland or in the middle of the sea Posts: 8774 Mk2 VTS track mk1 turbo vts scooby engined 2CV

    #18 27th April 2007, 06:03

    stiffler who that who did yours?
    
    pm me there contact number bud