Induction, manifold, exhaust etc..

24th April 2007, 22:57

Right im costing up in my mind modifications for performance, i want to go for as high performance as possible keeping it naturally aspirated and keeping it reliable,
so far the thoughts are -
aftermarket spark plugs
induction kit
full exhaust system
performance manifold
fast road cams
strut brace
upgraded brakes - at least discs and pads but will go for calipers aswell i i can get a cheap price.

is there anything missing?, advice for the best products and prices would be really appreciated as i said im trying to cost it up in my mind.

sorry forgot to write that it would probably be for a mk1 vtr, thanks

24th April 2007, 23:23

also thinking of some samco hoses but i dont know what they would do for the gine apart from make it look good

24th April 2007, 23:27

Lowering springs and schocks? Also if you're getting a strut brace, best to go for a lower one.

24th April 2007, 23:28

vts engine if you want best performance and keep it NA.

how much are you expecting to pay for brakes? i can sort you out a deal.

24th April 2007, 23:33

Im keeping the vtr engine in it because i want to do most of the work myself and will be my first time getting under the bonnet myself so i dont want to take up too big of a project,

for the brakes im not sure, as i said im trying to budget it so i know how much i need and how long it will take me to get all the cash with wages, probably a max of 200ish on the brakes??

24th April 2007, 23:37

i can do you a 266mm brake kit with mintex discs and pads delivred and ready to fit, you will also get £35 change out of £200.

it will be cheaper and easier to fit a vts engine than do all that work. and you will have a better engine to start tuning.

24th April 2007, 23:52

and how much would it be if i wanted calipers with that?

well i no idea how easy a transplant would be but i assume it would be pretty difficult without experience, also wouldnt i need a vts gearbox aswell??

but if i could do the engine swap in a day then may consider it, what type of tools would i need for an engine swap??

24th April 2007, 23:55

that price inculdes the calipers mate.

you can get all the parts for a conv for under 1k. it takes me about 13 hours to do a conversion.

25th April 2007, 00:02

what so i can have upgraded discs pads and calipers for £165, mate i will have a set off ya when i get all my costs and work plans sorted, can you pm just saying about the brakes so i can contact you directly when i wana buy them.

For under 1k i could buy all the vtr mods i want though and would probably have more power than a vts standard wouldnt i?

25th April 2007, 00:03

not really, you would need the vtr remapped with different cams to ge that power, and then you would have a more stressed engien for the same amount of power.

25th April 2007, 00:10

ok mate ive just seen a vts engine for sale on here,

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...ts+engine+sale

can you tell me if i would need anything else to get a straight swap,

pm about the brakes please mate so i remember your the one to contact, thanks

25th April 2007, 06:47

throttle cable and top rad hose and 16v ecu engine mount.

25th April 2007, 08:46

Look to GMC for a 4-2-1 or 4-1 manifold, a Green or Raceland scoop indution kit or budget allowing BMC enclosed filter, any of the leading brand of sports exhaust Magnex/Janspeed/Piper/Scorpion (more a choice of style than performance with these) then a cam again alot to chooce from and not really my forta and then finally a remap to get it all running right.

Reckon on around 110bhp-115bhp depending mods and mileage on the engine.

A 16v conversion is always an option but alot of people look past the insurance factor and for most people they bought the R for that reason not because they wanted the slower car but thats all they could afford to insure.
Besides even after the conversion youd want to tune it so, play with the 8v enjoy it then look at the 16v option in say a years time

25th April 2007, 11:48

hmmm that makes a lot of sense, play about with the vtr engine then when im more confident about getting under the hood going for a vts conversion, howm uch will a remap cost me???

25th April 2007, 11:55

Slag it too, its free and makes a difference!

25th April 2007, 12:00

yeah i know it would make a big difference but i will need things like back seats and carpets as most of my mates havent got cars yet the lazy gits ands so if where all going out then its got to be comfortable for everyone.

also will a set of piper pulleys give any difference to performance?

25th April 2007, 12:05

just wondering if it would be a good idea to buy a vts engine, modify it while its out of the car then when i have all the performance modifications done to it to swap the engines? any ideas appreciated

25th April 2007, 14:06

Remaps are best left till all the breathing mods are done ie exhaust, manifold, airfilter etc then when you have the cam changed then the remap will sort all the fueling out for the extra items.

Alot depends on where and what you have but Ive heard around the £400-£500 mark.

Best advice is to get a Airfilter first £80-£200+ depending on brand and style, then start collecting your exhaust parts bit by bit to spread the cost then save enough money to have the manifold and exhaust system fitted at the sametime - that way your see the biggest difference in the way the car pulls and save money too

25th April 2007, 14:36

KN panel filter imo

25th April 2007, 14:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by milesg

aftermarket spark plugs -

please don't believe the marketing blurb - theres no such thing as performance spark plugs.....

As for your list, it looks a good start, but before you change the brakes, do two things first...these are the two things that will decrease your braking distance. Uprate your suspension and uprate your tyres, then if you cannot put enough braking force to lock the wheels or you suffer from brake fade

25th April 2007, 15:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

please don't believe the marketing blurb - theres no such thing as performance spark plugs.....

What you mean I wont get an extra 2bhp per plug from my MaxPower spark plugs Nooooooooooooooooooooooo Ive been had

Again

25th April 2007, 15:59

the ones in that magazine are probably butt plugs lol To protect readers from an "accident" when they see their first tit on the cover page with their mates

25th April 2007, 16:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

the ones in that magazine are probably butt plugs lol To protect readers from an "accident" when they see their first tit on the cover page with their mates

rolf!!! im sure many a young chav had many a right handed session over max flower and the tits that appear in the mag (including the car owners)

25th April 2007, 16:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

the ones in that magazine are probably butt plugs

Will 'butt plugs'improve my 0-60mph times

25th April 2007, 16:08

na i didnt think they would effect performance but getting a decent set of aftermarket ones should help it start up first time every time shouldnt it?

i cant believe remapping the ecu costs so much, dont they just hook a laptop to the car and change the settings, cant take more than a few hours - sorry if i sound ignorant i dont know much about remaps i just thought they wouldnt cost that much as its all programming isnt it?

can tell me from my list on my first post prices and the best makes for the performance parts i listed - as i said im trying to budget it,
also any advice on buying a vts engine, modifying that while its out of the car which means i can keep the vtr a standard daily drive until the engine work is done

25th April 2007, 16:17

oh yeah forgot to say thanks for advice kamracing about tires and suspension, i knew they had to be done but the tires will come with the new set of alloys i get so thats sorted and then im just trying to make up my mind whether to lower the car myself as i heard the torsion bar is a pain, or to have it done proffesionally,

25th April 2007, 16:17

you need it to be on a rolling road for a decent map, playing with the fuel settings and timings, rolling roads are not cheap to set up or run as the equipment costs a fortune, especially as it needs to be upgraded for new systems from manufactueres etc...

so the costs will get passed on to the customer.

25th April 2007, 16:18

obviously thanks for eveyone elses advice aswell i just thought i would point that out above

25th April 2007, 16:19

so im really looking at around £400 for a remap?

25th April 2007, 16:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by milesg

so im really looking at around £400 for a remap?

yes really, you can get it cheaper but considering a bad map can kill an engine id rather not let some monkey loose on my car

25th April 2007, 16:25

yeah i know what you mean, so i will need a remap if i go down the route of aftermarket cams but otherwise i should be OK without one right?

will have to do alot of extra saving before the remap, so what kind of power would i see with all the breathing mods (aswell as the spark plugs, lol) and the cams and finally a remap on a vts mk1 engine if thats the route i go down?

25th April 2007, 16:37

Upto the point of airfilter and exhaust mods the engine is fine as it will adjust the fueling enough to still be ok but as soon as you start changing Cam profiles it need remaping.

Alot of people stop at airfilter, manifold, exhaust and turn the money to wheels and other chassis mods, but its up to you - how far du want to take the car performance wise?

25th April 2007, 16:42

tbh, you wont see much more power than a std vts with a cammed and mapped vtr. if you have a vts with cams and remap you can expect 150 - 160hp.

25th April 2007, 16:47

right so if i buy a vts engine and then do all the mods including cams and remap im looking at around 150bhp, what does the standard engine (mk1 vts) produce?

any advice on brand names for parts for the vts engine and prices - thanks

25th April 2007, 18:39

any advice??

25th April 2007, 18:50

standard 120, with cams and map nearer 160

25th April 2007, 18:55

thanks mate, now i know that has anyone got recomendations for parts and the prices???

25th April 2007, 19:00

green filter- 150

gmc fanny 4-1 290

supersprint straight through -80

magnex backbox 150

catcams 708s or similar newmans cams- 300

remap at chipwizards- 500

all approx prices

25th April 2007, 19:07

is the green filter enclosed??

is a 4-1 manifold guna be better than 4-2-1, i think the 4-1 manifold will give more power and the 4-2-1 will give better torque, i think??

any other suggestions for parts or brands

bullit- thanks for help

25th April 2007, 19:24

yeah green enclosed

manifold your choice really, as you said 4-1 more up top end to aid cams or 4-2-1 for low down which can give a shove along while driving slow, depends where you want more power

parts and brands mentioned mate

25th April 2007, 19:28

yeah green enclosed

manifold your choice really, as you said 4-1 more up top end to aid cams or 4-2-1 for low down which can give a shove along while driving slow, depends where you want more power

parts and brands mentioned mate

25th April 2007, 19:46

yeah im not to sure where i want the power, low down the revs will probably be more useful on the roads i would of thought

25th April 2007, 19:50

it is when your going slow, you can have good pickup round slow bends etc and you can going moving better without thrashing it. or if you thrash it everywhere a 4-1

id prob lean to a 4-1 tbh

25th April 2007, 20:25

but in towns and cities pulling away from the lights is everything, also having a 16v will help top end anyway i would of thought

26th April 2007, 20:14

just depends where you wanna your power your revs. if your on a thrash you want them further up. but lower down power for driving slower

27th April 2007, 04:58

tbh honest mate, get a full system
brakes
suspension
then start saving.
get a vts engine and the mods you want.
that way you will not have wasted any money as the brakes, system, suspension etc will be fine for the vts upgrade,
for the price of all the mods you wanted for a vtr, you will get a vts engine and some mods and end up with more power

you can also make a few quid by selling off your old suspension, brakes and exhaust system on e-bay

the man williams vts can fit a vts engine in next to no time at all for you, for really cheap

hes the man to see about brake upgrades too