Newmans cams or Catcams

3rd May 2007, 17:04

Anyone with results on newmans yet?

Can't decide over newmans ph3's or catcams 708's?! any advise??

piper and kent just seem so expensive

getting work started on engine soon so starting to buy the parts over the next few days

3rd May 2007, 17:53

im getin mine fitted nxt wednesday and remapped on the friday

3rd May 2007, 17:58

out of interest how much are the newmans or catcams,

3rd May 2007, 18:07

email i recieved from catcams said VAT + delivery for vts cams by the way is £351.47, newmans cams is £300 + your delivery not sure about VAT

3rd May 2007, 18:08

interested on info on the cams for vts by the way . . .

also Belly what cams you getting fitted?

3rd May 2007, 18:14

its the ph3 ones mate, youve just missed out on a group buy that was happening, everybody got there newmans cams for £217 delivered

3rd May 2007, 18:15

how much are piper and kent cams then mate, sorry for a slight thread hijack

3rd May 2007, 18:18

im not sure on the prices of them mate, but ....
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79478

there could be a group buy on the cat cams, which should give you a rough idea

3rd May 2007, 18:29

keep us updated on your newmans cams and remap mate sounds a good setup you have! what model of newmans did you go for?

3rd May 2007, 18:30

cheers mate

3rd May 2007, 19:41

also are ph3 fast road ones?

3rd May 2007, 20:05

fast road means jack shit tbh. its the spec you want

3rd May 2007, 20:54

i want fast road in my 106 gti, what would you guys recommend?? only have minor engine mods at the mo, exhaust, de cat and induction.

will i need a re map or a chip fitting after?? not to sure on it all really and would appreciate some advice!!

3rd May 2007, 20:57

as above mate. you will need maniflod first, then remap. chips are poo

3rd May 2007, 20:59

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Originally Posted by bullit

as above mate. you will need maniflod first, then remap. chips are poo

right so if i fit a stainless manifold, then cams. then i can take it to be re mapped to those mods??

do i need lifters or anything other than cams?? and were is good to take it for a re map?? (far south as poss!!)

cheers mate

3rd May 2007, 21:07

yeah to those mods. just cams mate and cam belt "depends how much you wanna spend tbh", maybe fuel pressure regulator

chipwizards is the place to go, everyone drives miles to go there

3rd May 2007, 21:08

Hi Dan. I think Chipwizards is the only place that re-map stock ECUs on the VTS/106, and they are up Leeds way... Here's what you should do I reckon. Contact a place called totalmotorsportsolutions.co.uk. you can buy the cams and manifold off of them, and then they will take your car to Chipwizards, where it will get re-mapped. I think for Catcam 708s, Supersprint manifold, plus installation labour and re-map, (Chipwizards charge them from the total bill) it will set you back around £1300 after VAT. ...So you just give the car to TMS and they do everything for you...

3rd May 2007, 21:11

thats excellent guys, thanks!! what sort of bhp figures can i expect with those mods and the full janspeed exhaust and bmc induction i already have??

3rd May 2007, 21:11

doesnt seem to bad that. i didnt know tms did that

3rd May 2007, 21:14

many peeps see around 160 give or take.

3rd May 2007, 21:16

and what cam profile have you guys found best with the vts's?? dont want anything to lairey but obviously i want to feel a difference for my money

3rd May 2007, 21:19

catcams 708s are the popular ones at the mo, followed by the newmans cams. theres just been a group buy but noone fitted them yet so dont know exactly how they will do, although ive seen other figues but prefer to see them from guys you know. both above cams are really well priced aswell.
theres also a catcam group buy started

3rd May 2007, 21:25

Yup... Dan, give TMS a bell. They use Catcams, and will advise upon 708s for your application.

Yeah Bullit - I took my car to TMS and left it with them for a few days... I live down south, so it was a long'ish journey, so was happy to do it that way. They took care of everthing for me.

3rd May 2007, 23:02

ill post me results up next friday when i get back, a big valve head is also getting fitted but it should give yas a idea what there like

4th May 2007, 00:33

FSC have a group buy for cat cams 708s

get your name down bud.

as already stated, i would only get cams after if had a decent enclosed filter, manifold, full system.
fit cams,lifters etc,new timing belt and maybe a 4.5bar fpr from gmc. then have it all re-mapped at chipwizards

should be 145 - 160 bhp depending on the condition of the engine etc.

6th November 2007, 11:43

this old mo fo

was on newmans site said the ph3's cant run on standard injection wtf that all about?
where did the group buy get the last lot as they were fucking cheap as chips to get.......... no way i would pay £300.

ph1's take are pointless just go for ph3s?

6th November 2007, 11:54

it means you can have a remap and all is ok.

then if you want the ph4's or 5's, you need standalone with tb's or similar.

6th November 2007, 12:03

708s have had better results. I would go with them.

6th November 2007, 12:06

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Originally Posted by jeeves_101

it means you can have a remap and all is ok.

then if you want the ph4's or 5's, you need standalone with tb's or similar.

so its saying ph1's basically dont need re-map.

was just curious to wtf they were on about.

Wonder if they would do another group buy

6th November 2007, 13:31

Looking Foward to seeing what these newman cams do

Slightly higher lift then the cat cam ones

6th November 2007, 13:40

only thing i was worried about was mpg but belly was saying he gets better mpg with his newmans lmao

al just get what ever i can get cheapest

Not in a rush to get them, will probs be the new year, need to get a manifold, take my magnex off fit piper full system idealy or supersprint full system. then its go jonny go go

6th November 2007, 13:46

Try a ashley

6th November 2007, 13:50

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Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Try AN ashley

might but i love the sound of piper 3inch inward rolled

6th November 2007, 14:34

well, i have a btb exhaust on now and.........FUCK ME wot a difference, it just pulls and pulls now. use to top out at 5k and just struggle. must of broken the 153bho now lol

6th November 2007, 14:47

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Originally Posted by belly_VTS

well, i have a btb exhaust on now and.........FUCK ME wot a difference, it just pulls and pulls now. use to top out at 5k and just struggle. must of broken the 153bho now lol

didnt think it would have made that much differnece? you like the sound of it? what intake you got on there aswel?
getting it remapped again soon?

6th November 2007, 14:47

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raceland enclosed induction

get a decent intake you girl i dont like them racelands

6th November 2007, 14:51

Suprised the BTB has made that much of difference

If it was throttle bodied yes

cammed errrr not sure

6th November 2007, 14:54

i was canny suprised aswell. ill get it back on waynes rollers.

not gettin another remap like

6th November 2007, 14:55

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Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Suprised the BTB has made that much of difference

If it was throttle bodied yes

cammed errrr not sure

i thought btb might have lost performance as the bore is 2.5 iirc

6th November 2007, 14:56

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Originally Posted by belly_VTS

i was canny suprised aswell. ill get it back on waynes rollers.

not gettin another remap like

why not, thought it was all over the place and he was going to sort it out? get a decent intake

might see more power from a decent manifold to match the btb aswel!

6th November 2007, 14:59

what do ya class as a decent intake like

itl just kill me to fork out another 475. only way id do it is if i got a omex, kms, emerald ect

6th November 2007, 15:02

Get the new GMC manifold with the 2.25 collector pipe, would match you exhaust well

6th November 2007, 15:05

thats the next thing on the list leeroy, are they stainless steel?

fancying swapping the newmans for 708s aswell. undecided

6th November 2007, 15:09

can get mild steel to

NONONO stick with the newmans see what you get

You may be suprised

6th November 2007, 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by belly_VTS

thats the next thing on the list leeroy, are they stainless steel?

fancying swapping the newmans for 708s aswell. undecided

why would you want to do that mate?????

decent intake, BMC with decent air feed or panel filter in standard box with the resinator box off or a proper green simota i dont like the raceland intakes

6th November 2007, 15:13

also thought he wasnt going to charge full price for the re-map?? Cos he couldnt get the timing to stay the same, 1st is to get a decent manifold though mate.........
raceland shit imo would only have one if got it for like £50 or sumit plus not see full effect of that btb still suprised its me its got an increase thought it was based more towards a turbo'd saxo

would have thought a supersprint system would have been better

infact get 708's al buy your ph3's

6th November 2007, 15:18

ill get meself a gmc stainless steel 4-1, maybe a better intake . . . .see what the results are. its like redoin the whole thing again lol. if its still shit ill wipe out the newmans

id get a bmc stevey, its just finding a decent place to put the intake pipe.

6th November 2007, 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by belly_VTS

ill get meself a gmc stainless steel 4-1, maybe a better intake . . . .see what the results are. its like redoin the whole thing again lol. if its still shit ill wipe out the newmans

id get a bmc stevey, its just finding a decent place to put the intake pipe.

i have just got one, think most people use the part of the standard intake on the slam panel. See what mines like when i fit it on saturday, also you need some bigger brakes

i just got some 206gti 266mm set up

no matter how much power your car has you could never keep up with me NOT pushing it round a corner in my VTR

you need to raise that fucker man.......
just seen you had 4pots how long you had them????? seen your list been updated aswel

6th November 2007, 15:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

also thought he wasnt going to charge full price for the re-map?? Cos he couldnt get the timing to stay the same, 1st is to get a decent manifold though mate.........
raceland shit imo would only have one if got it for like £50 or sumit plus not see full effect of that btb still suprised its me its got an increase thought it was based more towards a turbo'd saxo

would have thought a supersprint system would have been better

infact get 708's al buy your ph3's

aye thats wot he said, doubt hel remember me now tho

suprised me aswell mate, i actually enjoy driving it now

its loud as fcuk tho lol

6th November 2007, 15:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by belly_VTS

aye thats wot he said, doubt hel remember me now tho

suprised me aswell mate, i actually enjoy driving it now

its loud as fcuk tho lol

told you it would be loud, i have updated my post btw, still need to give me a go of it

, you never came to the last meet

6th November 2007, 15:25

Did i not say ages ago when you bought the OMP off me dont buy a Raceland manifold

I even took you out in mine to show you what a decent exhaust filter and manifold does lol

6th November 2007, 15:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

i have just got one, think most people use the part of the standard intake on the slam panel. See what mines like when i fit it on saturday, also you need some bigger brakes

i just got some 206gti 266mm set up

no matter how much power your car has you could never keep up with me NOT pushing it round a corner in my VTR

you need to raise that fucker man.......
just seen you had 4pots how long you had them????? seen your list been updated aswel

thought you where sticking to the standard box mate?

you can hav 1st dibs on the newmans if i swap

lol it handles like a bag of shit round corner like! comes to sumit when i couldnt keep up with you and banger in vtrs around corners

plus im a shyte drive

6th November 2007, 15:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

told you it would be loud, i have updated my post btw, still need to give me a go of it

, you never came to the last meet

forgot i still owed you a ride

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Did i not say ages ago when you bought the OMP off me dont buy a Raceland manifold

I even took you out in mine to show you what a decent exhaust filter and manifold does lol

would of saved me alot of money if i listened to ya in the 1st place

leeroy . . . has the memory of a elephant

6th November 2007, 15:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by belly_VTS

thought you where sticking to the standard box mate?

you can hav 1st dibs on the newmans if i swap

lol it handles like a bag of shit round corner like! comes to sumit when i couldnt keep up with you and banger in vtrs around corners

plus im a shyte drive

that was just me taking it easy lol it really was haha, normally my lass tells me off for going ever so slightly fast, and holds the seat haha
40mm ftw wel 35 imo but if want it too look slightly better then 40mm i would never go lower. mine seems to handle better 30 - 35mm than it did 40mm seems to be more grip....... rear drifts a bit but drivers side slightly higher at rear still to be re done.

i was going to stick with standard intake and take all shitty piping off but sourced a nearly new bmc at a good price, if its shit al just sell it, and then just have cold air feed to bottom of filter box with green filter

6th November 2007, 15:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Did i not say ages ago when you bought the OMP off me dont buy a Raceland manifold

I even took you out in mine to show you what a decent exhaust filter and manifold does lol

what filter did you have mate

6th November 2007, 15:33

Vsport are sellinh BMC for £80 quid

Am sure a few years back i read in a magazine a modied air box was the best to have

Still think a ram air box is good, Pro Comp was the best to have

I had a bigger version to the raceland one with the green cotton filter as the standard raceland one is poo , which i do highly rate for the price

6th November 2007, 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

what filter did you have mate

was just about to ask that lol, let me know what ya think of the bmc then mate

leeroy, yours did fcukin fly last time i was in yours tbh.

6th November 2007, 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Vsport are sellinh BMC for £80 quid

Am sure a few years back i read in a magazine a modied air box was the best to have

Still think a ram air box is good, Pro Comp was the best to have

there not actually bmc's at vsport still look the same not sure how good they actualyl are, read somewhere they are alright.
May have been on cruise4fun.co.uk in there own little section.

6th November 2007, 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by belly_VTS

was just about to ask that lol, let me know what ya think of the bmc then mate

leeroy, yours did fcukin fly last time i was in yours tbh.

was leeroys cammed?
i need a decent gearbox ftw ahha got to send another letter

6th November 2007, 15:35

Was never cammed

It did go well

Still think the 2000 model is the best to have, takes the mods far better then a 2001 plus

6th November 2007, 15:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Was never cammed

It did go well

Still think the 2000 model is the best to have, takes the mods far better then a 2001 plus

eg what me and belly have lmao

6th November 2007, 15:37

maybe its me

But 4 of my mates have either had a vts or gti on a 2000 reg and they all flew compared to the 03 ones my mates had

6th November 2007, 15:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

eg what me and belly have lmao

lol we suck

2000 models was suppose to be the '2 prong head' or summit, and single plug ecu

6th November 2007, 15:39

single plus ecu 2 prongs and 1 lamaba sensor

6th November 2007, 15:41

2 prongs? read about it dont understand it

6th November 2007, 15:41

yeah 2 prongs on the front of the head

basically what you EGR valve is screwed to

6th November 2007, 15:42

Belly you know the score....get a fooking PULSAR!

6th November 2007, 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

yeah 2 prongs on the front of the head

basically what you EGR valve is screwed to

ah right, wel if i take the egr valve off it should run the same? lmao

6th November 2007, 15:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrtuck16v

Belly you know the score....get a fooking PULSAR!

no joy would be like you cant get insured pointless

6th November 2007, 15:43

still got all the euro 3 emissions crap in you ecu

6th November 2007, 15:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

still got all the euro 3 emissions crap in you ecu

ghey

6th November 2007, 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

no joy would be like you cant get insured pointless

I can get insured...just its pointless untill the saxo policy has run out.

6th November 2007, 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

ah right, wel if i take the egr valve off it should run the same? lmao

lmao nar mate. 2 prong head is like......... inbetween the mk1 and mk2 engines. like they where getting ready to put the egr valve on....but didnt. suppose to have a better head but nowts been proven.

onli 1878 to insure a pulsar paul

6th November 2007, 15:47

Pulsars do look dated these days mint

Hard to find one that hasn't been rebuilt 8 billion times or hasn't been thrashed to death

6th November 2007, 15:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrtuck16v

I can get insured...just its pointless untill the saxo policy has run out.

thought you couldnt get insured at all? thats why got a day thing, sure i seen yours on youtube, joesnow sent me it said looks identical as you have rare wheels or sumit

6th November 2007, 15:52

Pah mine looks similar to that one...hard to tell by just the side on veiw. Im not arsed if its been thrashed as thats what they were built for.

6th November 2007, 16:02

This thread might aswell be in japanese tbh

6th November 2007, 16:06

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